XAVIER: The Official Character Discussion Thread

[Sunstar]

I just keep hoping it'll be a battle of the minds on the astral plane. Xavier is certainly a challenge for Phoenix, and I wouldn't want to see him die within two seconds.

I think the astral plane might confuse the general audience so they might not include it!

 

[LEX]

I thought the AP in X1 was realistic and nicely done.

 

[Sunstar]

He also talked about the Wolverine and Magneto "prequels", the latter of which Ian and himself will probably not be in.

I hope that isn't true because it would be stupid to have the prequel without even a small appearence by Stewart and McKellan!

 

[*xmenfan*]

I hope that isn't true because it would be stupid to have the prequel without even a small appearence by Stewart and McKellan!

aww my post is back lol! I agree Sunstar!!

 

[LEX]

LMAO they stole my report

http://trekweb.com/articles/2006/03/20/441f0bc9c18cf.shtml

I feel all important now ^_^

That's awesome.

 

[shaggyhess]

Astral plane in X1? when?

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i said this early on in the summer/fall, it'd be kickass to see charles and jean duke it out on the astral plane.....it'd be nice to see patrick stewart walk for a change, and they should deck him out in his old school armor

too bad i'm dreaming though

 

[Leon_0]

Are you kidding me...A crippled always looses to a standing person, especially if their power is stronger, or just as strong.

 

[PhoenixFire]

i said this early on in the summer/fall, it'd be kickass to see charles and jean duke it out on the astral plane.....it'd be nice to see patrick stewart walk for a change, and they should deck him out in his old school armor

too bad i'm dreaming though

I always hated the astral gladiator gear, myself. I'd be much more pleased with a psychokinetic firebird & implosion on the prime.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

Are you kidding me...A crippled always looses to a standing person, especially if their power is stronger, or just as strong.

on the astral plane, the professor isn't crippled....

 

[phoenix_force]

cyke isn't depowered as jean says in x1" if scott took off his glasses he could put a hole through a mountain"
so pretty powerful

 

[Phoenix342]

The only one that will be able to deafeat phoenix is jean, the prof was never able too without jeans help and now even though i havnt read a comic in about a year it seems like jean totally surpassed xavier, ( i think the lil book thing i got jean split up xaviers mind into millions of pieces and put them in other people and put them back together) i mean that shows serious power, Plus jean is an omega and xavier isn't. Jean would beat xavier anyday i believe and dark phoenix would do the same.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I really hope they use that line Jean says from the comics...

"You always told me a teacher's greatest pleasure was to be surpassed by his pupil. Enjoy."

 

[MJB]

The only one that will be able to deafeat phoenix is jean, the prof was never able too without jeans help and now even though i havnt read a comic in about a year it seems like jean totally surpassed xavier, ( i think the lil book thing i got jean split up xaviers mind into millions of pieces and put them in other people and put them back together) i mean that shows serious power, Plus jean is an omega and xavier isn't. Jean would beat xavier anyday i believe and dark phoenix would do the same.

Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?

 

[LEX]

The AP in X1: Professor being Senator Kelly in Magneto's lair

The AP in X2: Professor in the (Dark) Cerebro with that creepy girl

Was that the Astral Plane in X2?

 

[FieryBalrog]

Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?

But she always inherits the Phoenix force. She's its avatar, its in her genetics So whats wrong with using it?

As for the Cassandra Stuff, I dont know. She's not perfect. She's the only one who wasn't thrown around by Cassandra, though. She's also the one that rescued Charles.

 

[Intheknow101]

Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?

Jean's mutation is to become Phoenix. She's always Jean and she's always Phoenix. Besides this stunt took skill and know how, skills that even Charles didn't have since he didn't even think this was possible. Even before splitting it and putting it back together, Jean stored his entire conciousness and mind within her own mind. Not the first time she's done total mind transfers either. She's transfered her entire counciousness into another body before as well way back in 1992. Jean's an OMEGA mutant for a reason.

That's like saying Wolverine never really slashes anything or uses his fighting skills because his metal claws came later.

Jean didn't know Cassandra switched bodies with Xavier because she being his twin, shares a very similar psionic signature with him. Plus, Jean doesn't go scanning people's minds constantly and needlessly unless she had reason to. She had no reason to in Cassandra's/Xavier's case...until the Beast beating occured. Which necessitated that she read Beast's mind without his permission and found out. Jean's incredibly powerful, not omniscient. She's tempers that power with her human passion and compassion, and along with that human fallacies as well....and that's one of the reasons why she's my favorite character.

And once she did find out she did mop the floor with Cassandra in more ways than one. Not only was she able to change her perception to "see" like Cassandra was and undermine her plans from a strategic stand point, I'd say ripping her essence out of Xavier and leaving Cassandra a bodilyless mess more than constitutes moping the floor with someone.

 

[Tyrano]

The AP in X1: Professor being Senator Kelly in Magneto's lair

The AP in X2: Professor in the (Dark) Cerebro with that creepy girl

Was that the Astral Plane in X2?

Lol. No, that was Profferson looking through Senator's mind/memories and then in X2, that was just an illusion.


The Astral Plane is the land of dreams and the world of imagination. It is a timeless place where all things are possible and you create your own reality ( like Profferson growing into a giant).

 

[MJB]

Jean's mutation is to become Phoenix. She's always Jean and she's always Phoenix. Besides this stunt took skill and know how, skills that even Charles didn't have since he didn't even think this was possible. Even before splitting it and putting it back together, Jean stored his entire conciousness and mind within her own mind. Not the first time she's done total mind transfers either. She's transfered her entire counciousness into another body before as well way back in 1992. Jean's an OMEGA mutant for a reason.

That's like saying Wolverine never really slashes anything or uses his fighting skills because his metal claws came later.

Jean didn't know Cassandra switched bodies with Xavier because she being his twin, shares a very similar psionic signature with him. Plus, Jean doesn't go scanning people's minds constantly and needlessly unless she had reason to. She had no reason to in Cassandra's/Xavier's case...until the Beast beating occured. Which necessitated that she read Beast's mind without his permission and found out. Jean's incredibly powerful, not omniscient. She's tempers that power with her human passion and compassion, and along with that human fallacies as well....and that's one of the reasons why she's my favorite character.

And once she did find out she did mop the floor with Cassandra in more ways than one. Not only was she able to change her perception to "see" like Cassandra was and undermine her plans from a strategic stand point, I'd say ripping her essence out of Xavier and leaving Cassandra a bodilyless mess more than constitutes moping the floor with someone.

When did Jean do all that to Nova? I don't recall her ripping Nova's essence out of charles? I do recall Cassandra being very sly in the fact that she knew the Xmen would have to save her body because charles was in there. Nova planned all this. Nova also has somehow duped the xmen. She is part of the hellfire club now, so what ever essence the xmen put in the alien body it wasn't Nova's.

 

[MJB]

But she always inherits the Phoenix force. She's its avatar, its in her genetics So whats wrong with using it?

As for the Cassandra Stuff, I dont know. She's not perfect. She's the only one who wasn't thrown around by Cassandra, though. She's also the one that rescued Charles.

She couldn't even take Nova down when she broke free of that containment unit. Jean said "I keep going around her mind, it's like a black hole where her conciousness should be" and Nova did actually toss the Xmen around when she broke free.

 

[Intheknow101]

When did Jean do all that to Nova? I don't recall her ripping Nova's essence out of charles? I do recall Cassandra being very sly in the fact that she knew the Xmen would have to save her body because charles was in there. Nova planned all this. Nova also has somehow duped the xmen. She is part of the hellfire club now, so what ever essence the xmen put in the alien body it wasn't Nova's.

During the Imperial Arc. Nova's plan was for the X-Men to cure Xavier's sick body just in time for her to come back and reclaim it, so you're right in that respect. But Jean was "seeing" like Cassandra and she knew her plan. That's why she yelled at Beast when Beast tried to inject it with the cure. Instead, she evacuated Charles' mind from the dying body and let that body die so that Cassandra had nothing to go back to. Then once Jean ripped her out of Charles' body she was left a bodiless mess (New X-Men 123-126), which then was tricked by Emma into going into Stuff's body which then became Ernst.

Until we find out more about this new Hellfire Club in Astonishing X-Men, we aren't even sure that it is really Cassandra and not just Emma being dellusional. But even if it were and Emma was a plant the entire time, it's not so much of a stretch that Cassandra WAS put into Stuff's body, but that she slowly came back to her evil ways or somehow Emma helped her regain that knowledge. But that is beyond Jean's control since she's currently not around to deal with it.

She couldn't even take Nova down when she broke free of that containment unit. Jean said "I keep around her mind, it's like a black hole where her conciousness should be" and Nova did actually toss the Xmen around when she broke free.

Cassandra got the drop on EVERYONE in this issue...Charles included. Jean and Charles can both be caught off guard despite how powerful they are, doesn't change their power levels. Just shows that Cassandra is pretty tough and they can be surprised.
What was cool in this issue was that while Jean was barely concious, she was still able to speed up the oxygen molecules around Cassandra and blow Cassie's armor up.

 

[Storm22]

^interesting name! Hmmm.

 

[MJB]

During the Imperial Arc. Nova's plan was for the X-Men to cure Xavier's sick body just in time for her to come back and reclaim it, so you're right in that respect. But Jean was "seeing" like Cassandra and she knew her plan. That's why she yelled at Beast when Beast tried to inject it with the cure. Instead, she evacuated Charles' mind from the dying body and let that body die so that Cassandra had nothing to go back to. Then once Jean ripped her out of Charles' body she was left a bodiless mess (New X-Men 123-126), which then was tricked by Emma into going into Stuff's body which then became Ernst.

Until we find out more about this new Hellfire Club in Astonishing X-Men, we aren't even sure that it is really Cassandra and not just Emma being dellusional. But even if it were and Emma was a plant the entire time, it's not so much of a stretch that Cassandra WAS put into Stuff's body, but that she slowly came back to her evil ways or somehow Emma helped her regain that knowledge. But that is beyond Jean's control since she's currently not around to deal with it.




Cassandra got the drop on EVERYONE in this issue...Charles included. Jean and Charles can both be caught off guard despite how powerful they are, doesn't change their power levels. Just shows that Cassandra is pretty tough and they can be surprised.
What was cool in this issue was that while Jean was barely concious, she was still able to speed up the oxygen molecules around Cassandra and blow Cassie's armor up.

I HAVE NOTHING AGANST JEAN AND i LOVE HER AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, BUT THIS WHOLE GOD LIKE PHOENIX IS JEAN AND JEAN AND IT AND NOW IT'S NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY ANYMORE. Jeez I say BS. A god like creature shouldn't be duped at all, wouldn't you say??

At anyrate how in the hell did Nova make that armor? Marvel never went into a detailed explaination of her powers. I know he's a strong telapath, but how did she make the armor, and Cyke's beam seem to bend through her, and phase through the wall and burn off Logan's flesh on his arm? Just want to know.

 

[GNR]

Any money Charlie puts on the funky psychic armor and the whole thing turns into a gladiator/troy style fight.

 

[Intheknow101]

I HAVE NOTHING AGANST JEAN AND i LOVE HER AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, BUT THIS WHOLE GOD LIKE PHOENIX IS JEAN AND JEAN AND IT AND NOW IT'S NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY ANYMORE. Jeez I say BS. A god like creature shouldn't be duped at all, wouldn't you say??

At anyrate how in the hell did Nova make that armor? Marvel never went into a detailed explaination of her powers. I know he's a strong telapath, but how did she make the armor, and Cyke's beam seem to bend through her, and phase through the wall and burn off Logan's flesh on his arm? Just want to know.

Why are you yelling? No one said you had anything against Jean. I was just explaining to you what the comics said. It was never intended to be a "seperate entity". They added that later which was called a retcon, and in recent years, they've unretconned it to them being one and the same. For all her power, Jean is still HUMAN. She has the ability to make mistakes, to be duped, to be surprised...and the whole gambit of human emotions. It was originally what caused her to go Dark Phoenix...a human mind that got corrupted and seduced by her infinite powers. She's not omniscient and doesn't "know all". Even cosmic beings like Galactus and the Watcher aren't omniscient. High power levels doesn't = know everything and anything or not capable of making mistakes.

Cassandra's powers stemmed from her being able to access all the latent mutant powers in her genome if I remember correctly which included telepathy, some sort of phasing power, and able to project energy around her like a shield/armor, amongst other things.