Y'know, Emma has a point.

[BrianWilly]

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The X-Men always seem to get drawn into whatever conflicts the Avengers are having this week -- called upon for support or reinforcements or whatever -- and yet, the only times that the Avengers or other mainstream superheroes really invite themselves to help out the X-Men is when they themselves have something to lose, such as in the case of House of M or Onslaught. The only times that they have involved themselves in helping out mutant relationships or mutant disasters is...ah, pretty much never as far as I know. The X-Men just cannot seem to catch a break in any aspect of their lives -- weekly invasions blowing right by the O*N*E "defenses" and danger rooms coming alive to kill them all -- and yet no other superhero really does anything to help them. The only reason Ms. Marvel & co. investigated Icarus' death above there was because they didn't know he was a mutant, they thought it was just a human homicide. It's almost as if other superheroes deliberately keep their hands clean of mutant business.

Sure, everyone's got their own problems to deal with, but it just seems to me that if your problems were as severe as the X-Men's, it'd be nice to count on some help from some supposed "friends" where it really counts and not just borrowing some vehicle or gadget once in a while.

 

[Kevin]

plain and simple, emma is right

 

[Darthphere]

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The X-Men always seem to get drawn into whatever conflicts the Avengers are having this week -- called upon for support or reinforcements or whatever -- and yet, the only times that the Avengers or other mainstream superheroes really invite themselves to help out the X-Men is when they themselves have something to lose, such as in the case of House of M or Onslaught. The only times that they have involved themselves in helping out mutant relationships or mutant disasters is...ah, pretty much never as far as I know. The X-Men just cannot seem to catch a break in any aspect of their lives -- weekly invasions blowing right by the O*N*E "defenses" and danger rooms coming alive to kill them all -- and yet no other superhero really does anything to help them. The only reason Ms. Marvel & co. investigated Icarus' death above there was because they didn't know he was a mutant, they thought it was just a human homicide. It's almost as if other superheroes deliberately keep their hands clean of mutant business.

Sure, everyone's got their own problems to deal with, but it just seems to me that if your problems were as severe as the X-Men's, it'd be nice to count on some help from some supposed "friends" where it really counts and not just borrowing some vehicle or gadget once in a while.

I agree, im glad you brought it up. That line about where were the Avengers when our babies were dying really hit it home for me. Its so true. Emma is completely right in this situation.

 

[twylight]

I picked up this title on a whim this week and I do have to agree. For once in my life I was saying "You go girl!" to Emma.

In some ways I wish she'd been more graphic with Carol to really rub it in. I felt very vengeful after reading that issue.

 

[Darthphere]

I picked up this title on a whim this week and I do have to agree. For once in my life I was saying "You go girl!" to Emma.

In some ways I wish she'd been more graphic with Carol to really rub it in. I felt very vengeful after reading that issue.

The dark side is strong in you.

 

[Charlie No-One]

What title is this from again? Civil War X-Men?

 

[Darthphere]

I gotta give it up to Emma, and then Cyclops, really, when are they going to give this guy some balls.

 

[BrianWilly]

The first two caps are from Civil War #3, and the last ones are from the latest issue of New X-Men. Civil War: X-Men had some interesting scenes of Cyclops finally growing a pair, but they don't really have too much to do with this particular topic.

It's just kinda telling that the X-Men are supposed to be all about mutant-human relations, and yet the only superhuman non-mutant who has joined up with and continuously fought alongside the X-Men in recent years is...Juggernaut, of all people. I mean, that's just kinda telling.

 

[KevanG]

I gotta admit, she has a very good point. The avengers help 'everyone', right? So where were they when an entire nation was destroyed? Ultron smashed up a tiny little country and they all went racing over to stop him but when it's mutants they seem to take thier time doing so. Ah, double standards gotta love em :P

 

[rjb182]

I do love Emma, and her point is very good. I gave her kudos in the Civil War thread, and the scene with Ms. Marvel is even better.

Point of order, though: Aren't the writers kinda cheating, in making an issue of this? The real reason the Avengers haven't helped mutants much isn't because Captain America and Iron Man are racist. It's because different people write different books, and the writers of the Avengers have never had much reason to write about mutants. If they did, people would probably complain, because they say there are too many mutant/X-books already.

Now, for fictional purposes, the past is what it is. I'm not against using an existing situation to

a) Expand the drama,
b) Set the X-Men on the stance they should probably have anyway toward the SHRA, and
c) Make Emma look cool. Goodness knows, the gal takes enough flak for her snarkiness, it's nice to see everybody on her side for once.

But it's worth noting that the apparent pattern of racism she's complaining about is really just the result of a "stuff happens" kinda coincidence, a place where comic logic meets the real world and gets a bit derailed...

 

[toya thegr8]

Emma serving up the edumaction; I too think her stance on the Registration Act is logical and warranted.

 

[The Question]

Emma does have a point, but I have to ask. Why are people assuming that with registration, the IDs of all the heroes will become public knowlege? Seems to me that the feds would jot their names down and then lock the files away. No need for anyone to have the information besides a high ranking government official after requesting it.

 

[Grim Goblin]

well, the government used to employ the Red Skull and is always eager to recruit "former" villains so.....

 

[The Question]

The Red Skull became Secretary of Defense under an assumed alias following what would have to be years of intricate planning. It's not like they just hired him knowing that he was a wanted war criminal and international terrorist. And yes, the feds may hire out criminals instead of risking their own agents, but that doesn't mean they would be given access to those files.

 

[Grim Goblin]

and what exactly is supposed to stop any villain or team of villains from getting the info by hacking into/buying off/stealing from the government?

It's not like it ever seemed hard to do before...

 

[The Question]

and what exactly is supposed to stop any villain or team of villains from getting the info by hacking into/buying off/stealing from the government?

It's not like it ever seemed hard to do before...

The same thing that stops enemy spies from hacking into/buying off/stealing from the government. Government computer systems have more safegaurds than one's imagination could give justice, there are very few people with top level clearence who would be easily bought off, and government instilations (at least ones containing classified information) have some of the tightest security on the planet. Back to the buying off peice, remember that if a government agent sold classified information to anyone, that is an act of treason. And that is trouble you've not known.

 

[Grim Goblin]

hum, we're talking about a government in the MU, it's corruption knows no bounds .

 

[Varient]

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I really enjoy those moments When Emma Frost is a person to have in your corner,...

You Go girl.

 

[The Question]

hum, we're talking about a government in the MU, it's corruption knows no bounds .

Yes, it does. Really, I don't see why everyone seems to think that the U.S. government is so insanely corrupt.

 

[Cyclops]

I think he's making a reference to Millar generally being very anti-establishment in his writing.

 

[twylight]

The dark side is strong in you.

I like to think of my evil alter ego as Emma.

 

[La The Darkman]

I gotta give it up to Emma, and then Cyclops, really, when are they going to give this guy some balls.

It's gotten so bad for cyke that at this point I think there HAS to be some big plan for him in the future. Every since House of M he's been getting disrespected left and right. Emma's been walking all over him, mardox just told him to F*&k off, Havoc b#*chslapped him awhile back and a few issues later in the same book Iceman pretty much told him that nobody listens to him anymore, and Bishop just called him a glorified grunt. There HAS to be more to this, I'm a cyke fan and even I can barely respect the character anymore.

 

[Harlekin]

Emma does have a point, but I have to ask. Why are people assuming that with registration, the IDs of all the heroes will become public knowlege? Seems to me that the feds would jot their names down and then lock the files away. No need for anyone to have the information besides a high ranking government official after requesting it.

Exactly. Let's say one of the heroes that has registered has gone rogue or the likes thereof. He either needs to be taken down, and as such, at least tracked. The government decides to hire a couple of villains to track the hero down (they've done this before) and they give them the full file (because after all, that's the best way to track a hero), and voila, people that shouldn't ordinarily have that kind of info have it. The government in the MU is laughably easily to break into. It's too much of a danger.

And yes, Emma's got a point.

 

[Marcdachamp]

I ****ing love Emma. Jean can rot in the ground, because Emma's so much more interesting. I loved both of those sequences a lot.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Emma's been on a roll this week. What she said to both Carol and Tony have been spot on.