You need to Volunteer.....NOW!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh, and Malice...I just wanted to make clear that I said crazy Bachman because I think she's crazy...and not because of this debate. Hope you didn't get the wrong idea, man.

But...I dunno. I remember back in Miami, when I lived there, the high school's had mandatory volunteering for students to graduate. Students had to log in like 20 hours or something of community service in some area of somekind to graduate.

I hated it, but I dunno. I mean I could see how it'd be a good thing to promote community service. Instead of make fun of it, like some do. As if community service is like being a janitor cleaning piss or something.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

you are looking at the end result whether it happens or not...
Lets not get into the nazi deathcamps....that is fiction...if not fiction at this point, doesnt matter. Lets focus simply on the Forced Volunteering...

Concentrate on the beginning.

You MUST VOLUNTEER....
Now look, there are more and more websites devoted to volunteering...

This is a complete violation of civil rights IMO...War is one thing....and I mean someone invading us war....not war on terror war...

All these websites are prepping the groundwork for it all.

Yeah, but it's a far leap between that and there, though.

This seems to go to the heart of serving you country, without having to hold a gun, I think.

If my country can ask me to go kill people if we're being invaded, I don't see the problem with them asking me if I'd like to volunteer sometimes.

I'll check out the websites, though. See if any of it...seems fishy.

 

[SuperFerret]

I already volunteer my time to some important causes: myself and my friends and family. Seeing as how those people are FAR more important to me than anything as petty as national borders, I'm perfectly fine with it. Anyways, I'm over 22 so I guess I'm exempt anyway.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

There's not going to be a mandatory requirement. I personally think it's a great idea for a young person wanting to earn money for higher education w/o joining the military. it's another CHOICE for them. I think of it as an extended part of their education. They could travel and experience something they may treasure the rest of their lives. They could help people while helping themselves.

I just don't see the problem. No one is being forced to do anything.

But just for debate do we not already force parents to educate their kids to a certain age?
Truant officers,fines for parents who don't send their kids to school etc.
Let's get all paranoid over that. That's tyranny according to Malice.
And those socialist programs like police and fire,libraries and public schools. What's up with those? We don't need commie stuff like that in America. Everyone just needs to carry their own gun,have their fire extinguisher and a Bible along with a copy of Atlas Shrugged to educate the kids with is all. We don't need those socialist programs.

 

[Malice]

Dear lord hobo you go far off to a side.

You are reading far more into the issue.

Define Volunteer
1. One who enters into, or offers for, any service of his own free will.

Define Mandatory
1. Obligatory; required or commanded by authority; Of, or relating to a mandate

They are mutually exclusive.
Lets not cloud the issues with any social issues here. I am all for people volunteering.
Let me say that again, I am all for people volunteering. I have volunteered my time to different issues.

But Mandatory Volunteering is by definition, an oxymoron. Volunteering is where you decide of your own free will to do something, with no cooersion, then we have mandatory....which is the opposite.

I am only concerned with them requiring me to do something....

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But how are they requiring us to do something?

 

[Malice]

But how are they requiring us to do something?

Not yet....thankfully...but Obama has started he wants that bill passed the requires mandatory volunteering...

he let it get quiet while working on healthcare....cap and trade...etc.

That got quiet, then I noticed all the volunteer.gov sites...this issue will be back soon.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

But how are they requiring us to do something?

This

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What an Oxy-Moron might look like
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[Malice]

This

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What an Oxy-Moron might look like
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Once again you bring a side into this...
You obviously don't want to have an intelligent conversation
Go away and let people have an intelligent conversation

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Not yet....thankfully...but Obama has started he wants that bill passed the requires mandatory volunteering...

he let it get quiet while working on healthcare....cap and trade...etc.

That got quiet, then I noticed all the volunteer.gov sites...this issue will be back soon.

you mean the bill that once had language to fund a study of the effects of a mandatory requirement and whether it would be of merit?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But, malice...don't you think there would be MASSIVE backlash for madatory volunteering?

I don't think liberals would go for that. Liberals would be more against that than Republicans I think. Atleast genuinely, idelogically.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Once again you bring a side into this...
You obviously don't want to have an intelligent conversation
Go away and let people have an intelligent conversation

you're the one going off on "OMG Obama is gonna force us into slavery!!010101!!!" that's the jump point for a serious conversation?

If you'd done your homework of actually reading the bills and the actual thread you linked in support of your argument you'd see this thing started out as nothing but a fearmongering diatribe and not an intelligent conversation.

Why even start this thread when there was one on the subject already?
I vote we close it due to being a repeat

 

[Malice]

But, malice...don't you think there would be MASSIVE backlash for madatory volunteering?

I don't think liberals would go for that. Liberals would be more against that than Republicans I think. Atleast genuinely, idelogically.

Yeah I imagine there would be a big backlash...
But many people don't see a problem with that.

In my opinion, he will try it anyways...regardless if he has trouble with it.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But, he'd be shooting himself in the foot. He can't turn the liberals against him. They're his key supporters. Not to mention the independents he'd piss off. I would think he'd like to avoid making the Republicans look anything more than crazy people who drink they're own urine for fear of Fallout 3 becoming reality.

This would probably back up some of the more outrageous madness we often hear.

Then again, he does advocate the 'Minority Report' arrests...

 

[Malice]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1444

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Frankly, I don't like "reasonable mandatory service"

 

[Hobodeluxe]

It's for a study Malice. Not implementing it. They also do studies of all sorts of bad things that they could do to us they don't tell us about.
I worry about those. This would never become law. they'd fire up the draft first.
get back to me when a bill actually says they will force people into service(not study it) and then I'll stand by your side and fight it.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, I'm more worried about the black ops experiments that might test out my threshold for pain, to be honest.

And, of course, the secret experiment that I KNOW they're working on...even though they refuse to admit it.

I'm talking Metal Gear. But, that's for the conspiracy thread.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

the one's I worry about are secret medical tests. Like Tuskegee. What if they decide to use us as lab rats? Especially military personnel. But not limited to them. Sometimes they need more or selective tests. That and their lack of concern for the environment. They'll lie to you. if it suits them. or their corporate overlords.

See I have a foil hat too.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1444

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Frankly, I don't like "reasonable mandatory service"

Did you ever ask yourself "reasonable mandatory requirement for what?"

I'm going out on a limb here and thinking that it's to qualify for certain incentives. like money for higher education either through an institution of your choice or a new one like the next freaking line in the bill says

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

Like I said this is just a bill to form a committee to study these things.

I would oppose it if it were actually a final bill making actual law.
Still if it happened it wouldn't be the end of the world.

it's more or less public higher education through service that is looking like it will keep kids off of the streets,out of gangs ,help level the playing field for job opportunities plus make our workforce more attractive to investors again. it's basically the non-military service.

scary stuff.

 

[Nivek]

My Tin Foil hat cred is just centered around Bigfoot. It's just a matter of time before the North American Ape is confirmed. That and UFO's.

As far as the Government making us Volunteer, sheesh... maybe they have to. People are way to self important with any free time, and really apathetic toward helping out "lower classes" (as evidenced by the attitude of some when it comes to helping their fellow man).

 

[Addendum]

If 18-22 year olds are going to be "forced to volunteer" then how about they complain instead of a 35 year old talking about something that doesn't apply to him?

 

[Hobodeluxe]

If 18-22 year olds are going to be "forced to volunteer" then how about they complain instead of a 35 year old talking about something that doesn't apply to him?

Or even older?

 

[BlackLantern]

Big Smile!!! Big Smile!!! ( a joke for the Lethal Weapon fans)

 

[SuBe]

I love that "It doesn't even apply to you mentality". It's as if just because something doesn't name YOU, it doesn't matter. What a lazy attitude. If it affects one American, or it takes MORE money away from you, THEN IT DOES AFFECT YOU!

 

[BlackLantern]

I love that "It doesn't even apply to you mentality". It's as if just because something doesn't name YOU, it doesn't matter. What a lazy attitude. If it affects one American, or it takes MORE money away from you, THEN IT DOES AFFECT YOU!

welcome to 98 percent of America....both the fake and real one...if its not something that doesnt affect our little universe, we really don't care