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[Venom 1988]

I'm never quite sure what people mean when they say this. I agree that Snyder's aesthetic clashes with the story (the slow-mo action, the soundtrack and the costumes indicate to the audience that these characters are "cool") but it's still very much Watchmen. Snyder didn't make any fundamental changes and the overall message still carries through. The problem I've always had with that move is that two pivotal characters - Silk Spectre and Ozymandias are badly miscast.

It's like a kid submitting their math homework with the correct answers but no work to show how they got those answers. And if you ask them to provide the work, they can't. That's how Snyder's Watchmen feels to me. Sure it's a panel by panel adaptation so the message is gonna be there but it feels like there's no weight or thought to it.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

At least we're getting the 2-part animated movie next. And it looks pretty good!

 

[Comicbookguy339]

It's like a kid submitting their math homework with the correct answers but no work to show how they got those answers. And if you ask them to provide the work, they can't. That's how Snyder's Watchmen feels to me. Sure it's a panel by panel adaptation so the message is gonna be there but it feels like there's no weight or thought to it.

So it's just "vibes" then?

 

[Venom 1988]

So it's just "vibes" then?

No, it's what's presented on the screen.

 

[Mani-Man]

Some previously announced merch has been cancelled, apparently. Not surprised, can't imagine any of the figures already out have sold well.

Oh man, Part of me does feel Bad for snyder.
He wants to build something for his own, a universe that is fully his.
The Man has ambitions and that never should be wrong.
But his ambitions are mixed with overestimating his Talent.
Everything needs to be this grand super universe with sooooo much depth, it needs to redefine something New and has to take somethings place.

No, just make something smaller, try New things, See what people like about your work and trim what they dont like.
Let things organic grow instead of hitting Big and failing.
Like, i doubt the games that are planned will ever come out and stuff.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

No, it's what's presented on the screen.

But you failed to point out anything specific. What in the movie makes you feel that way? I already pointed out Snyder's usual aesthetic choices. Is that it or is there something more? I just think it's always been way too easy for people to simply say "Snyder doesn't get it" without ever elaborating what they mean by that.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm never quite sure what people mean when they say this. I agree that Snyder's aesthetic clashes with the story (the slow-mo action, the soundtrack and the costumes indicate to the audience that these characters are "cool") but it's still very much Watchmen. Snyder didn't make any fundamental changes and the overall message still carries through. The problem I've always had with that move is that two pivotal characters - Silk Spectre and Ozymandias are badly miscast.

I think one of the biggest points that people are referring to when they say that Snyder missed the mark is that he leaned too heavily on making Rorschach look like a cool anti-hero for the audience to root for when he's really a psychopath who believes his own nonsensical ideals. He also makes it painfully obvious that Veidt is "the villain" from the first scene we're introduced to him although that could also be Matthew Goode's performance, who I also thought was miscast. Also, giving Nite Owl II's suit a state of the art Batman-style look goes against the suit in the comics, which is supposed to be pathetic looking to match Dan's insecurities.

I think that the overall adaptation works but I can also recognize that, to paraphrase George Lucas, Snyder went too far in a few places.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I think one of the biggest points that people are referring to when they say that Snyder missed the mark is that he leaned too heavily on making Rorschach look like a cool anti-hero for the audience to root for when he's really a psychopath who believes his own nonsensical ideals. He also makes it painfully obvious that Veidt is "the villain" from the first scene we're introduced to him although that could also be Matthew Goode's performance, who I also thought was miscast. Also, giving Nite Owl II's suit a state of the art Batman-style look goes against the suit in the comics, which is supposed to be pathetic looking to match Dan's insecurities.

I think that the overall adaptation works but I can also recognize that, to paraphrase George Lucas, Snyder went too far in a few places.

I can agree with this take (especially agree with the point about Snyder's aesthetics and Ozymandias being either miscast or given bad direction) but to me these also just boil down to Snyder going too far in a few places and not completely bungling it.

Also, I think it was honestly a miracle that WB greenlit this big budget R-rated deconstruction of superhero stories at a time when the general audience wasn't familiar enough with the genre to even understand what the film was doing. Also, I think no matter who was in charge of directing it, WB would have wanted this film to have action and some cool factor to it. You could make a superfaithful drab and actionless adaptation now on a streamer but not back then.

 

[Filmfreak]

He also shoehorned a lot of unnecessary action and fight choreography (with terrible slo-mo too) in order to turn it to Hollywood fanfare (I'm sure the executives wanted that too) so that audience wouldn't get bored, while there's pretty much zero in the graphic novel. The first scene is this whole stylized ugly looking crap that doesn't even exist and it pretty much adds up to how he views his adaptations and movies in general. That everything has to look cool. The comic doesn't look cool, it looks the opposite of that. It's supposed to be a deconstruction of the superhero genre, not a glorification of it. Snyder can't get deep, he's always superficial about everything, hence why no matter how faithfully he follows a story, he ultimately fails in whatever is below the surface.

 

[Drizzle]

I can agree with this take (especially agree with the point about Snyder's aesthetics and Ozymandias being either miscast or given bad direction) but to me these also just boil down to Snyder going too far in a few places and not completely bungling it.

Also, I think it was honestly a miracle that WB greenlit this big budget R-rated deconstruction of superhero stories at a time when the general audience wasn't familiar enough with the genre to even understand what the film was doing. Also, I think no matter who was in charge of directing it, WB would have wanted this film to have action and some cool factor to it. You could make a superfaithful drab and actionless adaptation now on a streamer but not back then.

To that point, I also believe that the giant squid would have been too weird a concept for casual moviegoers to wrap their head around at the time.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

To that point, I also believe that the giant squid would have been too weird a concept for casual moviegoers to wrap their head around at the time.

I agree. I actually didn't mind that getting changed

 

[Venom 1988]

To that point, I also believe that the giant squid would have been too weird a concept for casual moviegoers to wrap their head around at the time.

I sorta agree, though I do think with some reworking it could have worked. But I do think he made a mistake by subbing "the attack" with Manhatten specifically.

 

[Filmfreak]

I sorta agree, though I do think with some reworking it could have worked. But I do think he made a mistake by subbing "the attack" with Manhatten specifically.

Yeah because the whole point was to have a foreign, neutral, outside attack that would unite the two nations and bring peace. Dr Manhattan was an American product.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Kane52630]

I'll wait for the Ultimate super slow-mo black and white 4:3 edition, thank you very much.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

On its own that poster is great though.

 

[Filmfreak]

It's very nice art but seems completely irrelevant to the movies.

 

[emielaen]

The red on red shadow/highlight of the dragons didn't even make me realize those were... dragons? This has dragons?

 

[Drizzle]

The red on red shadow/highlight of the dragons didn't even make me realize those were... dragons? This has dragons?

Well one's a dragon and the other one appears to be a wolf so if there's any justice in the world, Snyder and Netflix should be hearing from this man's legal team soon:

 

[Kane52630]

....

oh brother.

 

[Broseph44]

Finally getting the directors cut. I had watched part one but then decided to not watch part 2 and just wait for this. Can’t wait.

 

[Venom 1988]

....

oh brother.

Needs more wheat.

 

[emielaen]

It really is just showing the kills with the gore and some sex huh. That’s pretty funny.

He used the term Verhoeven-esque so I’m wondering if the tongue in cheek/satirical aspect of the violence/excessiveness really plays here, cause this still just feels purely genuine.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

....

oh brother.

This almost feels like a parody of a Snyder trailer.

 

[kguillou]

Oh, Zack. It sure is... gory-er and sexier.

But there was a ton of actual "story" footage shown in there too that i dont remember from the previous two parts. The hopeless optimist in me hopes that maybe all that extra footage will make us actually care about the characters this time.