Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition) - Part 2

[Primal Slayer]

I just watched the video I think youre talking about and that movie sounded absolutely nuts for the first Justice League movie. I think it would have been a disaster financially but a cult classic amongst us geeks.

Ive been obsessed with the Sacrifice arc being adapted to film and was sooooooooooo close to my Superman/WW showdown + Max snap neck. I guess maybe by the time Im in my 50s we'll finally get something close to it.

 

[Micromind]

Say what you want to about Zack Snyder but he managed to successfully introduce DC characters that WB otherwise might have messed up in bringing to big screen. And thanks to Snyder, WB were able to make spin-off solo movies on those characters (like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash)

WB missed the opportunity to make solo movie with Cyborg and Ben Affleck's Batman., I feel same thing with New Gods movie. Had WB released the Zack Snyder's Justice League in theaters, instead of Joss Whedon's Justice League (2017), it would have provided them a perfect way to introduce Kriby's New Gods and Darkeseid story-line. Which would have helped Ava in her solo movie about them.

WB failed to build upon previous movies, they could have green lighted a sequel to Cavill's Superman but did nothing, I know the movie didn't perform as per Studio expectations, but sometimes you have to look at the larger picture, I mean, look at Captain America The First Avenger (2011) movie made $370 million on a budget of $140 million, if we use the usual method to check movie's Box Office performance, movie's world wide collections should be greater than the sum of the two the times production Budget and the marketing budget.

Movie's worldwide Box office > 2 x Production budget + Marketing Budget (estimated),
$ 370 million > 2 x $140 million + $80 million.

$ 370 million > $ 360 million.

So, Just $10 million more than break-even point, nothing spectacular, but did Marvel Studios drag their feet to give Captain America a sequel ? No.

But, WB did just that and we are still waiting for Henry Cavill's second Superman movie, no wait they're rebooting. (what ?)

 

[Primal Slayer]

Say what you want to about Zack Snyder but he managed to successfully introduce DC characters that WB otherwise might have messed up in bringing to big screen. And thanks to Snyder, WB were able to make spin-off solo movies on those characters (like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash)

I think he got the looks right, interesting backstories but he was also the only one who was allowed to get as far as he did. JL:Mortal seemingly introduced WW and Aquaman well enough that they could've held their own in a solo (though Georges WW look was...a choice)

Snyder helped introduce them, Patty/Wan helped make WW/Aquaman the success they are today.

WB missed the opportunity to make solo movie with Cyborg and Ben Affleck's Batman., I feel same thing with New Gods movie. Had WB released the Zack Snyder's Justice League in theaters, instead of Joss Whedon's Justice League (2017), it would have provided them a perfect way to introduce Kriby's New Gods and Darkeseid story-line. Which would have helped Ava in her solo movie about them.

The problem with Snyders JL though is that he viewed his movies as the end all be all. JL2/3 saw itself as the beginning/middle/end for al the characters.

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

Batman was going to be a major focus in JL2. It is his swan song; performing a do-over over and over utilizing his master planning only to fall short again and again until he finally breaks his survival instinct sacrificing himself to save Lois and prevent antilife supes from happening in the new reality that is DC now.

JL2 could be a miniseries to tie things off while JL3 could be a completely different story due to a newer reality being formed hence part 3 would in a sense be a rebooted Justice League. It wouldn't be a grand finale anymore at this point though so maybe just could segue in Young Justice after or something to get actors that can be around some more timewise...

It's the question I've been scratching my head over for some time; with some possible spoilers:

1) According to Zack's words in a couple --- not all of them, though --- of the most recent interviews, it'd appear that Batman is supposed to die at end of the second movie;

2) Nevertheless, the original script --- that Zack has been, otherwise, faithfully reporting, aside from Bruce/Lois' relationship, in the aforementioned interviews --- foresaw Batman surviving, in the third movie, the "Omega sentence" and, then, sacrificing himself --- to kill Darkseid --- at the end of the final battle.

3) Zack has also referred to "new tables"/"adjustments", possibly divergent from both of the previous hypotheses.

Therefore, overall, confusion.

 

[geosphere]

I know everything should be taken with a grain of salt(especially on April fools day) but their seems to be growing chatter that their is positive movement happening with Snyder and Warner Media working out a deal for the Snyderverse to continue at some capacity. too many outlets seem to be talking about getting info on this from "their sources." I know we should wait for reputable sources to say anything about it but IDK maybe things are starting to pay off.

 

[Yowza]

It's the question I've been scratching my head over for some time; with some possible spoilers:

1) According to Zack's words in a couple --- not all of them, though --- of the most recent interviews, it'd appear that Batman is supposed to die at end of the second movie;

2) Nevertheless, the original script --- that Zack has been, otherwise, faithfully reporting, aside from Bruce/Lois' relationship, in the aforementioned interviews --- foresaw Batman surviving, in the third movie, the "Omega sentence" and, then, sacrificing himself --- to kill Darkseid --- at the end of the final battle.

3) Zack has also referred to "new tables"/"adjustments", possibly divergent from both of the previous hypotheses.

Therefore, overall, confusion.

I know there are a number of possibilities. My impression was that Batman dies at the end of Justice League 2 and doesn't come back as it is Superman's movie. That seems to have been the most recent plans.

At what point does Batman die at the end of Justice League 3? Was that mention by Zack recently? Killing off Batman at the end of the second movie seems like the right way in order to hand the Baton off to Superman?

 

[Yowza]

I know everything should be taken with a grain of salt(especially on April fools day) but there seems to be growing chatter that there is positive movement happening with Snyder and Warner Media working out a deal for the Snyderverse to continue at some capacity. too many outlets seem to be talking about getting info on this from "their sources." I know we should wait for reputable sources to say anything about it but IDK maybe things are starting to pay off.

Odd that the news of New Gods and Trench being stalled was press released today. I saw Ava's Twitter so if it is April Fool she's playing along. If anything Warner Brothers is getting a reaction from some people prompting Ava to respond on twitter about.

I think this has become moreso a personal matter at this point. There is going to be some shade casting in numerous creative ways unfortunately and the whole awe no Darkseid so no New Gods cause used in Snyder cut rhetoric is best ignored and not clicked on to give lesser sites $.

 

[Greenlite]

I think you accidentally posted a google search, I asked for a quote from ann where she was "generalizing fans as toxic" like you said, I can't find it.

I gave you all the source and articles available right there, maybe you can do the rest of work?





She needed to say “this is a small faction with the Snyder fandom and does not represent the rest of the fan base” but she can’t run those generalizing offensive headlines if she said that

But some will probably say, “oh, so you didn’t find a quote of her saying “all Snyder fans are toxic” therefore you are making BS up, hail WB”

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

I know there are a number of possibilities. My impression was that Batman dies at the end of Justice League 2 and doesn't come back as it is Superman's movie. That seems to have been the most recent plans.

At what point does Batman die at the end of Justice League 3? Was that mention by Zack recently? Killing off Batman at the end of the second movie seems like the right way to do thanks the hand the Baton off to Superman?

Bruce should have died, following the first script, killing Darkseid, ending the war.

According to these interviews, instead, it'd appear that he might die at the end of the second; nevertheless:

1) Snyder might have bypassed some details: in fact, he never said that Bruce's attempt of sacrifice is certain to cause his --- immediate, at least --- death: maybe, he will be incapacitated to lead the "League" simply because of some significant injuries;

2) I truly doubt that he might have --- already, at least --- changed that much his original plan: speaking of Batman, from dying at the end of the third to total absence in the third;

3) Knowing his predilection for Batman & Affleck, I hope --- for me, for example, it would be untolerable --- he's not truly inclined to kill him so early, before the entire third movie;

4) The second movie would have to cover a seemingly excessive portion of the plot: the expasion of the "JL"; the constituion of the "Legion"; the the "first" battle, with the loss at the hands of Darkseid; the whole "Knightmare" sequence, with all the previous failed attempts to rewrite the time-line; at the end, the successful try and Bruce's alleged death.

 

[Greenlite]

Say what you want to about Zack Snyder but he managed to successfully introduce DC characters that WB otherwise might have messed up in bringing to big screen. And thanks to Snyder, WB were able to make spin-off solo movies on those characters (like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash)

WB missed the opportunity to make solo movie with Cyborg and Ben Affleck's Batman., I feel same thing with New Gods movie. Had WB released the Zack Snyder's Justice League in theaters, instead of Joss Whedon's Justice League (2017), it would have provided them a perfect way to introduce Kriby's New Gods and Darkeseid story-line. Which would have helped Ava in her solo movie about them.

WB failed to build upon previous movies, they could have green lighted a sequel to Cavill's Superman but did nothing, I know the movie didn't perform as per Studio expectations, but sometimes you have to look at the larger picture, I mean, look at Captain America The First Avenger (2011) movie made $370 million on a budget of $140 million, if we use the usual method to check movie's Box Office performance, movie's world wide collections should be greater than the sum of the two the times production Budget and the marketing budget.

Movie's worldwide Box office > 2 x Production budget + Marketing Budget (estimated),
$ 370 million > 2 x $140 million + $80 million.

$ 370 million > $ 360 million.

So, Just $10 million more then break-even point, nothing spectacular, but did Marvel Studios drag their feet to give Captain America a sequel ? No.

But, WB did just that and we are still waiting for Henry Cavill's second Superman movie, no wait they're rebooting. (what ?)

Pretty cool that you kept on saying Trench (?and New Gods?) were cancelled when there were no trades talking about it, then today it became official

 

[Greenlite]

I know there are a number of possibilities. My impression was that Batman dies at the end of Justice League 2 and doesn't come back as it is Superman's movie. That seems to have been the most recent plans.

At what point does Batman die at the end of Justice League 3? Was that mention by Zack recently? Killing off Batman at the end of the second movie seems like the right way in order to hand the Baton off to Superman?

Makes sense to kill off Batffleck in JL2 (Knightmare) and Joker already foreshadowed it in ZSJL, and it means Ben doesn’t need to keep going forever, but then again a JL3 without Batman might not be in the best interest of the studio so it’s really hard to say

though when you have armies from Atlantan, Amazon, Hawk people, BA/SZ kids? GLC, it would be good to have screen time for them to fill Batman’s absence. Then again BA/GLC might be blocked by Hamada and co, which would be a shame.

I have no faith in the random sources saying they are working out contracts now but I do feel it is super interesting that after Joe posted the restorethesnyderverse hashtag, we are now seeing GL concept arts and who is playing him.

it’s like, what happened when ZS started throwing out his black and white photos 2 years ago

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

Makes sense to kill off Batffleck in JL2 (Knightmare) and Joker already foreshadowed it in ZSJL, and it means Ben doesn’t need to keep going forever, but then again a JL3 without Batman might not be in the best interest of the studio so it’s really hard to say

though when you have armies from Atlantan, Amazon, Hawk people, BA/SZ kids? GLC, it would be good to have screen time for them to fill Batman’s absence. Then again BA/GLC might be blocked by Hamada and co, which would be a shame.

I have no faith in the random sources saying they are working out contracts now but I do feel it is super interesting that after Joe posted the restorethesnyderverse hashtag, we are now seeing GL concept arts and who is playing him.

it’s like, what happened when ZS started throwing out his black and white photos 2 years ago

Still, I think that killing Batman so early would leave quite a bitter taste in mouth of the majority --- myself included --- of the viewers.

 

[Micromind]

Pretty cool that you kept on saying Trench (?and New Gods?) were cancelled when there were no trades talking about it, then today it became official

Yeah and at this point, it looks like the Multiverse concept solely exists to justify Matt Reeves "The Batman" but for other movies, it's less likely to be used.

It seems they're soft-rebooting and in that interiew Ann Sarnoff says they would try to have more coherent approach for various DC movies in same universe.

So, bye Multiverse, as now it exists just for Matt Reeves movies. Also say good bye to any chances of continuation of ZS plans on HBO Max.

 

[Micromind]

Makes sense to kill off Batffleck in JL2 (Knightmare) and Joker already foreshadowed it in ZSJL, and it means Ben doesn’t need to keep going forever, but then again a JL3 without Batman might not be in the best interest of the studio so it’s really hard to say

though when you have armies from Atlantan, Amazon, Hawk people, BA/SZ kids? GLC, it would be good to have screen time for them to fill Batman’s absence. Then again BA/GLC might be blocked by Hamada and co, which would be a shame.

I have no faith in the random sources saying they are working out contracts now but I do feel it is super interesting that after Joe posted the restorethesnyderverse hashtag, we are now seeing GL concept arts and who is playing him.

it’s like, what happened when ZS started throwing out his black and white photos 2 years ago

We should ask people who run Subway's marketing, everytime they use hashtag things start happening.

They're more reliable than scoopers.

 

[Greenlite]

Subway and their gigantic one foot......sandwiches

 

[Greenlite]

Still, I think that killing Batman so early would leave quite a bitter taste in mouth of the majority --- myself included --- of the viewers.

Bryan Cranston/Godzilla style it is then for JL3

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

Bryan Cranston/Godzilla style it is then for JL3

À la "The Return of Bruce Wayne", a movie set in the pre-historic era, directed by Terrence Malick.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Seems like everybody is in agreement that WB's "multiverse" is a sham

It really does seem it solely exists to placate Matt Reeves

 

[Predator jp]

how can they introduce coherent universe after everything? are they going to replace Cavil and Ben with Val Zod and Batgirl?

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

I know there are a number of possibilities. My impression was that Batman dies at the end of Justice League 2 and doesn't come back as it is Superman's movie. That seems to have been the most recent plans.

At what point does Batman die at the end of Justice League 3? Was that mention by Zack recently? Killing off Batman at the end of the second movie seems like the right way in order to hand the Baton off to Superman?

Apertis verbis, I still think that --- in any case, according to the most recent plans too --- a "JL2" would likely finish at the beginning of the "Knightmare".

 

[TheFuture]

Seems like everybody is in agreement that WB's "multiverse" is a sham

It really does seem it solely exists to placate Matt Reeves

I thought the multiverse idea was an overall more cynical marketing ploy that's bigger than Matt Reeves. Here's a couple of reasons why:

1. They wanted an excuse to carry on with actors like Gal Gadot and Jason Momoa while ignoring other characters in their continuity.
2. They wanted The Rock to commit to Black Adam so badly that they gave him a separate universe to the DCEU out.
3. As you say The Batman's continuity needed to be factored in.
4. They also needed to factor in wildcard projects like Joker.
5. To allow the Snyder Cut to exist even though the TC is canon.

Tbh the multiverse was needed to explained their absolutely scatterbrained approach to making these films.

All this being said, Marvel haven't covered themselves in glory so far either on the multiverse angle. Both have used the concept for cynical reasons and stunt casting.

 

[J.Drangal]

There won’t be a shared universe. If some films works well and that some artistic DNA is shared, maybe they’ll cross over but that’s it. Warner is back at the old times I think, waiting for directors to come with a genuine desire to do something on a character. Talking about a ”multiverse” is just a way for the studio to not say they somewhat fail to connect their DC films.
But I’m not complaining, I never really cared for all of this. I just want to see creatives doing their thing without trying to fit in something decides by suits.

 

[idiot09]

lol

to be fair WM/WB has a better chance to compete with Disney/MCU with a Knightmare and JL finale led by Superman than continuing to fall behind Marvel ie Multiverse Spider-Man & Dr Strange films > Flash now Eternals > New Gods

The thing about WB thinking that their movies didnt do well because it was a connected universe, and doing standalones is their "formula" is such reactiveand stupid studio thinking, that it gives me a headache. The problem with theatrical JL was not because it was a connected universe, or the good thing about WW was not because it was a solo film. You can totally do both, as you saw in the original DCEU plan. Seeing the picture in WW worked so well, as did Flash's cameo in Suicide Squad. That was not the problem. So them moving away from that as to distance themselves from the "marvel model", while desperately trying to copy their tone is just so cringy.

I also think its very interesting that JL : Mortal also had brainwashed Superman. Almost as if it makes sense for the villain to target Superman because he is the most powerful.


I always expected TDKR Joker look from Snyder, when it was announced that Joker was in the film. So I was surprised on that front.

 

[idiot09]

Spoiler

WB keep talking about their plan, but its all smoke, they dont have any plan lmao. Blaming this on ZSJL's success is such a low and slimy move from WB. First off, if they wanted to do the movie they would have done it anyway, because multiverse and they dont have any aversion to doing a different Superman/Batman. They clearly have no faith in their multiverse concept, and its just their get out of jail card.

Also because any other studio would have just seen the popularity of the New Gods' stuff, and put it on actual priority instead of shelving it. They actually got scared of Snyder's New God's popularity and put a stop to this. WB literally are so incompetent it boggles my mind.

 

[idiot09]

I think Zack is very tuned into all this and must be laughing at their stupidity. You can tell that WB were like "Dont add all the new gods stuff, we are doing a new gods movie" just like they did with GL, and Zack caught their bluff. That's why he put out the Granny Goodness concept art today to just further shine light on their bs lol.

Cant wait till the GL tea drops.