The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[MessiahDecoy123]

Trippin'.

It's pretty clear what separates most of the opinions is how much the viewer is vested in the particular franchise.

But to sit there and tell me every single scene in the movie has them on the edge of their seat is something you only see uber-fans say. I understood the implications of time travel, but really Quicksilver playing ping pong was intense? There was nothing intense about the dialogue or interaction and then as he actually performs his service, Singer uses a slo-mo camera trick to show off Quicksilver's sense of humor and make the audience laugh.

The point is most of DOFP is very tense.

Outside of a couple joke scenes.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Alot of the criticisms of DOFP feel like nitpicks.

 

[DA_Champion]

Alot of the criticisms of DOFP feel like nitpicks.

There's always going to be some nitpicks among the list of criticisms made in any discussion of any movie.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Singer said DOFP will be the best superherofilm ever made. lol. For me Avengers kicks DOFP's ass !!!

 

[SuperT]

I agree Mystiques character arc wasn't fully fleshed out

I disagree with this - I thought Mystique's arc in DOFP was pretty evident throughout the movie. It was all about defiance and establishing herself as an independent female character in a landscape that was dominated by men.

Throughout the entire movie, men are constantly trying to control her either by brute force/elimination (Magneto) or by being an overbearing father figure (Xavier). She's constantly defying both of them and breaking out of any sort of box they want to keep her in, especially Xavier.

At the end of the movie, it's her decision and her decision alone on not going through with assassinating Trask. Even up to that very last moment the male characters are still trying to control her with Hank pleading with Xavier to shut her mind down.

It's only then that Xavier finally pulls his head out of his butt and understands what she's been trying to say for too long - I'm not a wild animal that you can keep as pet or tame.

Singer said DOFP will be the best superherofilm ever made. lol. For me Avengers kicks DOFP's ass !!!

Really? I'm pretty sure Singer never said anything even close to this, doesn't seem like anything he'd say at all. Best X-Men movie? Probably but best superhero movie? No.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The point is most of DOFP is very tense.

Outside of a couple joke scenes.

Again, it boils down to how vested your are in the franchise. That is what separates our experiences. For you, everything was intense and you claim to have felt weight and intensity in this movie.

For myself, it turned into a lot of speechifying and the movie became a slave to Singer's desire to erase what he didn't like post-X2. Because of that many sequences felt convenient and poorly fleshed out. It also doesn't help that the fights were weak by super-hero standard.

I'm not bashing the movie claiming it's among the franchise's worst though, because there's no way that would be true.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Again, it boils down to how vested your are in the franchise. That is what separates our experiences. For you, everything was intense and you claim to have felt weight and intensity in this movie.

For myself, it turned into a lot of speechifying and the movie became a slave to Singer's desire to erase what he didn't like post-X2. Because of that many sequences felt convenient and poorly fleshed out. It also doesn't help that the fights were weak by super-hero standard.

I'm not bashing the movie claiming it's among the franchise's worst though, because there's no way that would be true.

While some agree with that, and I totally see your point, that's what I admired DOFP about, not feeling the need to have a final battle where a city or giant landscape is being destroyed, which is common in almost every block buster and comic book movie these days(Ex: Transformers series, Avengers, Man of Steel, etc) I enjoyed just being shown the city already destructed , and not so action heavy, allowing the audience to use their imagination to fill in those missing pieces, which makes the movie a magical experience as it once was. That is what blockbusters lack these days. It was nice to not have it so focused on action in my opinion. Using action only when needed, driven by character emotion.

 

[Rock Sexton]

While some agree with that, and I totally see your point, that's what I admired DOFP about, not feeling the need to have a final battle where a city or giant landscape is being destroyed, which is common in almost every block buster and comic book movie these days(Ex: Transformers series, Avengers, Man of Steel, etc) I enjoyed just being shown the city already destructed , and not so action heavy, allowing the audience to use their imagination to fill in those missing pieces, which makes the movie a magical experience as it once was. That is what blockbusters lack these days. It was nice to not have it so focused on action in my opinion. Using action only when needed, driven by character emotion.

Magneto literally transported RFK Stadium in that sequence. Wolverine gets impaled. What do you call those kinds of things? I kind've laughed watching Beast jump on the neck of a Sentinel and bite it.

I dunno though. I didn't experience the glass case of emotion some of you did. I'm not suggesting it needs to be disaster porn, but for my own personal tastes in these CBM's there needs to be a good balance.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The action in the seventies was weak. The action in the future was among the best in the genre, imo

I'm being honest.

As far as I knew, Quicksilver's refusal to help could've ruined Wolverine's mission.

Remember, throughout the movie they flash forward showing that time is running out and the sentinels were close to wiping out mutants.

You make a good point, if they had to find someone else to bust Magneto out then the Sentinels would've likely killed the X-Men before Charles managed to convince Raven to never kill Trask.

Yes there is!!!
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Alot of the criticisms of DOFP feel like nitpicks.

Agreed but that also happens with Avengers and a lot of CBMs.

Singer said DOFP will be the best superherofilm ever made.

Did he?

Well even if it wasn't, its amongst the best according to critical and audience reception.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Magneto literally transported RFK Stadium in that sequence. Wolverine gets impaled. What do you call those kinds of things? I kind've laughed watching Beast jump on the neck of a Sentinel and bite it.

I dunno though. I didn't experience the glass case of emotion some of you did. I'm not suggesting it needs to be disaster porn, but for my own personal tastes in these CBM's there needs to be a good balance.

That's true. I was just more focusing on the future scenes. I totally respect where you're coming from though. For me personally, I liked that it was character driven rather than action. I agree there needs to be a good balance too.

 

[jaymes_e06]

That's a good question and honestly I'd have to sit and think about it. There was just something about the arrangement of her character in this film that felt forced to me.



Also another problem. There's a characterization disconnect between the two movies.



The passage of time thing is tricky because the movie spells out the solution right from the start, so it's up to the rest of the film to really make them "earn it". Unfortunately, the movie played more like a big retcon opportunity to me than that actually happening ..... where-as X:FC was fresh.

How when it was shown he would leave her behind if she weren't a mutant anymore long after they had forged an even deeper bond?

 

[MarvelU]

While some agree with that, and I totally see your point, that's what I admired DOFP about, not feeling the need to have a final battle where a city or giant landscape is being destroyed, which is common in almost every block buster and comic book movie these days(Ex: Transformers series, Avengers, Man of Steel, etc) I enjoyed just being shown the city already destructed , and not so action heavy, allowing the audience to use their imagination to fill in those missing pieces, which makes the movie a magical experience as it once was. That is what blockbusters lack these days. It was nice to not have it so focused on action in my opinion. Using action only when needed, driven by character emotion.

Good point, I think critics noticed this as well. I read many reviews that mention how the characters are not overwhelmed by special effects and the specials effects are only used as a means to lift the movies emotional arc.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Good point, I think critics noticed this as well. I read many reviews that mention how the characters are not overwhelmed by special effects and the specials effects are only used as a means to lift the movies emotional arc.

I will tell you that there are no emotional beats in the Avengers that can touch that scene on the plane when Magneto gets angry and raises his voice as the plane's metal contracts.

 

[Mad Ones]

I disagree with this - I thought Mystique's arc in DOFP was pretty evident throughout the movie. It was all about defiance and establishing herself as an independent female character in a landscape that was dominated by men.

Throughout the entire movie, men are constantly trying to control her either by brute force/elimination (Magneto) or by being an overbearing father figure (Xavier). She's constantly defying both of them and breaking out of any sort of box they want to keep her in, especially Xavier.

At the end of the movie, it's her decision and her decision alone on not going through with assassinating Trask. Even up to that very last moment the male characters are still trying to control her with Hank pleading with Xavier to shut her mind down.

It's only then that Xavier finally pulls his head out of his butt and understands what she's been trying to say for too long - I'm not a wild animal that you can keep as pet or tame.

I very much agree with this post

 

[LizardMan07]

In terms of blasty bang bang entertainment? Avengers.

In terms of a deep, thematic, emotional experience? X-Men.

I can't think of a single scene in the avengers that can hold a candle to the Fassbender scenes, he was amazing.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I enjoyed watching the Avengers more because it was the first of it's kind and it was a lot of fun.

Having seen both now and being able to reflect on them, X-Men was the better film.

 

[AsteroidM]

X-men simply because I cared about the characters more. The first film came out when I was 9. I was really looking forward to the return of the original cast and the movie delivered.

 

[The Endless]

People go on about Fassbender's performance, rightly so. But for me McAvoy gave the standout performance in the film.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

People go on about Fassbender's performance, rightly so. But for me McAvoy gave the standout performance in the film.

They both were great. McAvoy for sure stood out compared to First Class.

 

[Rock Sexton]

People go on about Fassbender's performance, rightly so. But for me McAvoy gave the standout performance in the film.

Not for me. After a while his speechifying was like trying to eat an over-cooked steak. It was just too much for me personally.

 

[Lord]

I actualy found prefered McAvoy in First Class than Fassbender, i mean, i think Fassbender was great, but for me Ian McKellen still is slightly superior as Magneto, while McAvoy became my favorite incarnation of Professor X, though Stewarts still realy good in the role too.

 

[BoredGuy]

Stewart will always be Professor X to me

McKellan and Fassbender though are very equal in the quality of their performances

That said, for all those saying how emotional DOFP was, Fassbender's scene in the plane was literally the ONLY scene that made me feel something in the film.

And Coulson dying was pretty dang emotional for me, so I can't say the plane scene beat it by that much

 

[jmc]

I just love that both sets of actors were in the film. The only downside is we never got a meet up with Young and Old Magneto like we did Young and Old Professor X. What's equally awesome is that the younger actors have the same chemistry with one another that the older two have had.

 

[DACrowe]

Bane was a great villain, which really surprised me because I was never really much of a fan of the character before. I actually thought Nolan made him a more fearsome enemy than he did Ra's Al Ghul, who historically is probably Batman's #2 foe.

It didn't bother me at all that he wasn't the guy in charge (although he was certainly no powerless minion) or that he had a funny voice. Those were true of Darth Vader too, and Vader was one of the best villains in cinema history.

But Vader is secondary to the Emperor while Bane listens to a woman!

Of course Vader is a better villain, but I honestly think that is the issue for a lot of fans with the character in that movie.

 

[DACrowe]

I thought he was pretty threatening. He very nearly held a monopoly on terrorism and counter terrorism. He is the personification of peoples mistrust of the US government and how the country is basically a giant conglomerate, rather than a country.

And he was portrayed as an intellectual and physical threat who burns through Starks armours like paper. Plus I preferred his motivation and how he became who he was. He started out as a rejected, disabled geek angry at Stark. But then improved himself and eventually got over his hatred of Stark and saw the bigger picture.

Bane was only a threat because Batman is really **** at fighting. I could beat up Nolan's Batman lol. And i only have one arm and half a right leg.

His motivation boils down to "I like that girl, i will follow her wherever she goes". I would have found him more compelling if it turned out he was using Talia's wealth and status to further his own schemes. If he in fact double crossed her and walked his own path.

Killian might have these superficial layers of menace, but he is played as a joke. He shoots fireballs out of freaking mouth as a jokey way to intimidate Rhodey. He is doing it for money. He is just boring.

And if we are going to talk about motivation, he is nothing more than Schumaucher's Riddler 2.0--which is still better than the crap we got with Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but still. Stark blew him off on New Year's Eve when he was drunk and trying to get laid....so he dedicates his entire life to becoming the anti-Stark so he can kill him? It's pathetic and a weak motivation that is only slightly better than the terrible motivation of Riddler 3.0 in TASM2 because Guy Pearce at least doesn't play it so campy as Jamie Foxx did.

Yes, he represented these bad things, but he comes off as not very threatening. And if I recall, he too is taken out by the love interest...who can have superpowers. Hell, Stark even starts making puns about it with Pepper two seconds afterwards, not giving Killian a second thought.

I agree that he was a great screen presence, but again, that is more to do with Hardy's menacing and magnetic performance than the writing, for me.

He's a glorified henchmen, basically. Some people say the same about Vader, and i think Nolan was purposefully going for that with Bane. But Vader had an air of mystery to go with his menace. And in Empire a truly shocking revelation that made him a compelling character in his own right. And of course in Jedi he made his own choice and sought out redemption.

Bane? At the end of Rises he gets beat up by Batman with his really crappy martial arts then stands around then gets shot. He goes out like a frickin chump.

I am not saying you in particular, but the general disdain for Bane appearing to be on equal footing with Talia Al Ghul is baffling to me. Even if it was her idea originally, he executes it single-handedly and clearly acts on his own (such as deciding to kill Batman after she leaves).

Yes, there is Vader who is subservient to the Emperor. And if we must pull from the MCU, everyone loves Loki who is subservient to the aliens who are THEN subservient to Thanos. Loki is the third man down on a pecking order. Even when Thor convinces him for two seconds to think that there is a better way, he then realizes he has no choice as he is scared of Thanos' mindless minions.

That is the definition of henchman.

I really do have to wonder if the anger that Bane is as much co-conspirator with Talia as second in command being so despised has something to do with the fact that it's a woman instead of an old white guy in a robe or a big purple guy on a space throne.

Also, I always liked Bane's death from the first time I saw it because I loved Hathaway's Catwoman. I agree it is sudden. But it isn't a punchline like "Puny god" or whatever Stark says to Pepper after she smokes Killian, something like "You're hot."

Just saying.