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DC Animation ‘Batman: Caped Crusader’: Animated Series From Bruce Timm, J.J. Abrams, Matt Reeves Greenlit

binged it over the last 2 days. really really enjoyed the season. i like that there's a continuous storyline, it's sth that deviates it from BTAS. i like the characters and pretty much all the changes they made. i have to agree tho, the animation does seem underwhelming, but they can for sure improve on that front in the future. oh and i love the design of this batman.

the joker tease was amazing, seems they are going for a deep voiced sinister version
 
I was pleased that Julie Madison appeared in the "Nocturna" episode.
As did Lois and Jimmy or their dopplegangers.
Too bad it wasn't Julie that was kidnapped by Clayface in "And Be a Villain" episode.

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I found the show to be very flat in its writing and execution. Good animation. I like the retro style setting. I liked the general pulpy golden of Detective Comics vibe.

I found Batman to be generally unlikable. I get what they were going for. Batman is still dealing with his trauma and he hasn't fully come to understand it yet. He's not ready to let in Alfred. He doesn't view Alfred as a father figure. He barely even views him as a friend or ally.

Batman felt sort of unimportant to the show, almost like a background character, and he seems to do very little.

What the show was really missing was having a competent storyteller like a Paul Dini or other alum writers of the DCAU to really elevate the stories and make them more cohesive.

Hamish Linklater, no offense, was not a good Batman. I like that he differed his inflection for Batman and Bruce Wayne. They were different. However, his Batman was far too monotone and one-note. It didn't feel like he was really acting or found his way with the character.

It was hard to care about Harvey Dent when the show generally depicts him as an unrepentant scumbag for most of the series.
 
I found the show to be very flat in its writing and execution. Good animation. I like the retro style setting. I liked the general pulpy golden of Detective Comics vibe.

I found Batman to be generally unlikable. I get what they were going for. Batman is still dealing with his trauma and he hasn't fully come to understand it yet. He's not ready to let in Alfred. He doesn't view Alfred as a father figure. He barely even views him as a friend or ally.

Batman felt sort of unimportant to the show, almost like a background character, and he seems to do very little.

What the show was really missing was having a competent storyteller like a Paul Dini or other alum writers of the DCAU to really elevate the stories and make them more cohesive.

Hamish Linklater, no offense, was not a good Batman. I like that he differed his inflection for Batman and Bruce Wayne. They were different. However, his Batman was far too monotone and one-note. It didn't feel like he was really acting or found his way with the character.

It was hard to care about Harvey Dent when the show generally depicts him as an unrepentant scumbag for most of the series.

Totally agree about the writing.
I mentioned this in a previous post, but the series is very Manichean. The good guys are good, the bad guys are bad, essentially.

I love what they've done with “Two-Face”, but I think it loses some of its power because up to his transformation, as you said, Dent is just too one-note and unlikable.
Here we have a more tragic, tortured version of the character, but it's finally hard to feel moved because the groundwork was too poorly laid and all the nuances are coming too late.
It's the same thing with characters like Bullock. At one point, when Flass pushes him to really get his hands dirty with Firebug, I imagined this would lead to a separation between the two or create something... but no. Throughout the season, they just remain two simple dirty cops and nothing substantial is really created with them. There's just no surprises.

I'm all for hearing that the second season could end up play those cards, but I really think this first season has strayed too far from its potential to remain a little too superficial.
Oswalda and Harley are also good examples of that to me: their reinventions are very well introduced and promising, but ultimately remain completely unexploited.
Replace Oswalda's sons with random henchmen and you get the same thing. The betrayal of one of her sons and Thorne's manipulation of her to kill the one who had remained loyal to her, making her increasingly enraged, could have created a very good character arc. Here, it's all wasted on a rather unconvincing (for me, anyway) display of cruelty.
Harley Quinn is very cleverly reintroduced as a twisted psychiatrist, but the only thing she ended up doing was giving Batman some lobotomized punching bags when we could have already been shown her playing with his head a bit....Anyway.

I realize that these are not the same writers of the BTAS era, but I'm still very surprised by this lack of ingenuity.
The show has its charm and I enjoyed watching it overall, but in the end, I kind of have the feeling of a lack of vision behind it...

I still think it's nothing that can't be fixed in the future though. I remain optimistic!
 
I love what they've done with “Two-Face”, but I think it loses some of its power because up to his transformation, as you said, Dent is just too one-note and unlikable.
Here we have a more tragic, tortured version of the character, but it's finally hard to feel moved because the groundwork was too poorly laid and all the nuances are coming too late.
It's the same thing with characters like Bullock. At one point, when Flass pushes him to really get his hands dirty with Firebug, I imagined this would lead to a separation between the two or create something... but no. Throughout the season, they just remain two simple dirty cops and nothing substantial is really created with them. There's just no surprises.

I think if they spent more time with Dent, showing how he's maybe not totally corrupt and still believes in making Gotham better it would've made his transformation more tragic. Maybe if they made Gilda Dent a part of the show, that would've been a good way to show Dent's better qualities. Like maybe he's a morally scrupulous DA, but a good and faithful husband? That's just one idea.

That would've been a good arc for Bullock if they showed him more conflicted about Flass' actions.
 
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I think if they spent more time with Dent, showing how he's maybe not totally corrupt and still believes in making Gotham better it would've made his transformation more tragic. Maybe if they made Gilda Dent a part of the show, that would've been a good way to show Dent's better qualities. Like maybe he's a morally scrupulous DA, but a good and faithful husband? That's just one idea.

That would've been a good arc for Bullock if they showed him more conflicted about Flass' actions.

these are good ideas and would've made the characters more nuanced.

but i guess the writers wanted to lean more into how dirty and corrupt they are.
bullock is nearly irredeemable at this point.

the only thing i can see in S2 is bullock finally growing a conscience and deciding to turn in state's evidence against flass and thorne, but he'll probably get off'ed for it.
 
Listen, I'm grateful for Batman: Caped Crusader. I'm trying to embrace and appreciate it for what it is... but there was no denying it was all a little bland in its execution.

This has everything B:CC was missing for me and with real money behind it, could have been the true spiritual successor to B:TAS and Fleischer Superman:

 
Yeah, I enjoyed it well enough as it aired, but after a good chunk of time, it is hitting me how little of the show has really stuck with me.

Could just be a case of needing a little more time to find their footing. I hope so, at any rate…

There are certainly elements I like… Linklater’s Batman, a golden age/noir/pulp setting, the designs and the animation (despite some of the naysayers). Absolutely needs a more exciting opening credits, though.
 
It has real high points - Gentleman Ghost and Harley Quinn's episodes in particular - but there definitely is a pervasive blandness to it. Their whole take on Harvey is a wildly inconsistent mess too.

Lots of potential for the future though. Plus, Linklater's Batman is God Tier.
 
The show was solid but it didnt knock the door off the hinges. It sadly didnt seem to get much of any buzz outside of geek circles like, say, X-Men 97. But I think it could have potentially laid the groundwork for a gangbusters season 2.
 
Listen, I'm grateful for Batman: Caped Crusader. I'm trying to embrace and appreciate it for what it is... but there was no denying it was all a little bland in its execution.

This has everything B:CC was missing for me and with real money behind it, could have been the true spiritual successor to B:TAS and Fleischer Superman:


I'm with you here... I liked the show, but I also felt like it missed potential in many respects.

My problem with its writing as a whole is pretty much summed up by Harley and Oswalda. Both characters have interesting reinterpretations that, sadly, kind of lead nowhere.
The first is designed to be the one to get inside that rookie and broody Batman's psyche, but when she does get her episode, she just throws dumb muscles at the hero like any other vilain in any other kid's cartoon series. The second has a rivalry with Thorne and two sons, one of whom is a traitor, a perfect recipe for drama... and nothing? We're just shown her killing one and trying to finish off the other by throwing missiles, and we're supposed to take that as a show of cruelty? It's all so poor for me... 😕

In terms of visuals, I'm a sucker for Bruce Timm style, but pass the character designs everything was kind of brought down to me by that modern animation style that, if not bad in itself, really scream "economy" at every turn. The character posing was lacking attitude, the movement while fluid still felt stiff and the light and shadow work was very, very basic... In that video just posted, there's sure a wonkiness in the designs but the animation is actually way more lively than in Caped Crusader...

Anyway, I know I sound harsh but I'm actually the one defending always the show whenever it comes into discussion with friends... :funny: I had some real pleasure watching it, and not only by nostalgia (I would say it actually missed some of its potential there too). I want to believe a second season could improve on the thing I'm iffy on. A bit more ingenuity on the writing side would probably do wonders and while I don't expect the budget to grow for a more expensive animation style, I know there's some "easy fixes" when it comes to give the visuals a bit more sophistication.

Here's hoping!

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EDIT: Ok, I just realized that my post repeats 90% of my previous post on the thread, which is also visible higher up on that same page... Sorry about that.
 
From what I remember about Caped Crusader, it had the same problem that Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man did: everyone in the supporting cast was way more interesting than the main hero.
 

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