🤛 Official UFC Thread - Part 8

[Fallen Angel]

Jon Jones ‘B’ sample comes back positive for steroid https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/9/12/16291440/jon-jones-b-sample-comes-back-positive-for-steroid?utm_campaign=marc_raimondi&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter …

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Flyweight champ Demetrious Johnson hopeful manager can get him paid for UFC 215

I'm somewhat ignorant to this side of combat sport, but surely there should be insurance in place that covers situations like this to get the fighter losing out, some form of compensation for the time he's invested into training.

You would think, but there doesn't seem to be when it comes to the UFC. Seems fighters have to ask to get paid and it is up to Dana and his bosses.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jon Jones ‘B’ sample comes back positive for steroid https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/9/12/16291440/jon-jones-b-sample-comes-back-positive-for-steroid?utm_campaign=marc_raimondi&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter …

Shocked, absolutely shocked.

 

[B]

You would think, but there doesn't seem to be when it comes to the UFC. Seems fighters have to ask to get paid and it is up to Dana and his bosses.

From what I've read, there have been several cases (at least with the UFC) in which a fighter has been left without an opponent as late as fight week & they've been paid/compensated for their time. I wouldn't imagine it would be close to their full fight purse just more something that covers the fighters costs. If it's anything further out from fight week the UFC tries to re-book the fighter at the next available card which is usually only a week or 2 away.

Seems as though across MMA, Boxing & Kickboxing at least, the promoter is under absolutely no obligation to pay anything out at all. Insurance seems to be limited to only covering medical costs of the fighter pulling out & not a lose of fight purse or time invested to either fighter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jones officially stripped of the belt. Cormier is the LHW champion again. What a mess.

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...tes-daniel-cormier-light-heavyweight-champion

 

[TheVileOne]

From what I've read, there have been several cases (at least with the UFC) in which a fighter has been left without an opponent as late as fight week & they've been paid/compensated for their time. I wouldn't imagine it would be close to their full fight purse just more something that covers the fighters costs. If it's anything further out from fight week the UFC tries to re-book the fighter at the next available card which is usually only a week or 2 away.

Seems as though across MMA, Boxing & Kickboxing at least, the promoter is under absolutely no obligation to pay anything out at all. Insurance seems to be limited to only covering medical costs of the fighter pulling out & not a lose of fight purse or time invested to either fighter.

My understanding if a fight falls apart, the UFC is not obligated to pay fighters their show money. However, in the past, UFC will generally pay fighters show money if a fight falls out at the last second because crap happens and the opponents are still showing up, ready to fight, and on weight, so they get something for their time

However, Demetrious Johnson was there, he didn't have to make weight and stopped cutting weight. There was no fight. So from a promoter perspective, why should they pay someone for work they did not do?

Johnson's payout for his fight with Wilson Reis was $350K. He also got a performance bonus of $50,000 and a Reebok bonus of $40K. So his disclosed payout totaled $440K. That's not necessarily chump change for MMA. But that's because he made it to the fight, went into the cage and fight.

I think there is insurance for fighters to cover training injures and fight injuries, but that's it.

A fighter's job is to fight. So if they don't fight, why should they get paid? Ariel Helwani claims that the money is allocated anyway, so just pay him. Well no, that's not how business works. Johnson lost his opponent and the UFC didn't get the fight they were marketing. That scramble made them lose money if anything. So from a business perspective, it makes no sense for a business owner to drop $350K on Demetrious Johnson for a fight he didn't take part in.

 

[B]

Rockhold needs to respect his opponents power more if he wants to fulfil his potential IMO, it's fine being cocky & have some swagger, but when someone is coming forward full steam there is no shame in putting your hands up & blocking the punches.

He could have easily lost last night when Branch came forward he tagged him & Rockhold tried to drop his hands Anderson Silva style & ended up eating another couple of punches that could have hurt him. Luckily though Branch tied him up in a clinch rather than try to throw more punches.

Still won the fight comfortably though, it's been a while since I've seen someone tap out to strikes like that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Could his chin just kind of be cracked? It was weird how easy that was, but then again he seemed to be leaving his chin just hanging out there again. He almost ended his own career tonight.

 

[B]

Yeah he looked very open tonight which comes back to respect as I mentioned. I don't think he respected Branch at all & nearly paid for it, just like he didn't respect Bisping.

A lose last night would have been a disaster.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The new season of the TUF is in a tough situation. They will crown the new Women's Flyweight Champion.....but the champion will be entering a division that is starting to get stacked. Paige Van Zant and Joanne Calderwood, Bec Rawlings are moving up and Valentina Shevchenko and Jessica Eye are moving down. This is not counting the rumors of Joanna Jedrzejczyk, Julianna Pena and a few others heading to that division too.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Max Holloway is going to fight Frankie Edgar for the featherweight title.

 

[TheVileOne]

I love that fight and UFC 218 is looking pretty good so far. Hope all those fights stay intact *knock on wood*.

Hopefully no problems with Ray Borg on Saturday. I think putting him in that title situation was a mistake. I'm not saying Johnson should've fought Dillashaw, but UFC should've booked Johnson against the winner of Pettis/Moreno.

 

[B]

Holloway vs Edgar is literally the only fight that makes sense at FW for both. Edgar's one of my favourite fighters, but Holloway is one bad mofo. Should be a great fight.

Looking forward to this Saturday's card as well, I hope Borg makes weight for the MM bout, he's got a history of missing weight from what I've read. Ferguson/Lee should be a good fight as well, Kevin Lee's a talented enough fighter but he's really fell* on his feet getting even an interim title fight given there are a couple of other guys in that division on hot streaks that are ranked higher & that's not even counting Khabib. UFC should do away with their own ranking system, completely meaningless.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I don't think that Lee or Ferguson can handle Khabib though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Holloway vs Edgar is literally the only fight that makes sense at FW for both. Edgar's one of my favourite fighters, but Holloway is one bad mofo. Should be a great fight.

Looking forward to this Saturday's card as well, I hope Borg makes weight for the MM bout, he's got a history of missing weight from what I've read. Ferguson/Lee should be a good fight as well, Kevin Lee's a talented enough fighter but he's really feel on his feet getting even an interim title fight given there are a couple of other guys in that division on hot streaks that are ranked higher & that's not even counting Khabib. UFC should do away with their own ranking system, completely meaningless.

I want to see Cub Swanson get a title shot though. Dude's busted his ass off in the UFC.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think that Lee or Ferguson can handle Khabib though.

Khabib Nurmagomedov only has himself to blame for being out of this equation. I think Ferguson could handle Nurmagomedov. He's never had to go five hard rounds like Ferguson, and he has trouble making weight.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Khabib Nurmagomedov only has himself to blame for being out of this equation. I think Ferguson could handle Nurmagomedov. He's never had to go five hard rounds like Ferguson, and he has trouble making weight.

Who you got winning in Holloway vs Edgar?

 

[TheVileOne]

Who you got winning in Holloway vs Edgar?

I'm picking Holloway for sure. The man is a beast and it looks like he's just getting better each time out. I've never gone wrong picking Holloway through this whole streak.

 

[B]

I want to see Cub Swanson get a title shot though. Dude's busted his ass off in the UFC.

Yeah I like Cub as well, he's always up for a scrap, I can't see them giving him a title shot though off the back of a victory over Artem Lobov even though it was a very entertaining fight.

Who you got winning in Holloway vs Edgar?

I'm picking Holloway for sure. The man is a beast and it looks like he's just getting better each time out. I've never gone wrong picking Holloway through this whole streak.

I reckon Edgar's gonna take him. The reason I say this is because of his fight with McGregor, albeit that was 4 years ago & without a doubt Holloway has improved, I think Edgar will present a lot of the same problems Conor presented him with. He didn't like the level changes & odd angles McGregor came at him from, Edgar is somewhat similar as he moves oddly & comes in & out of engagements weirdly. Not to mention Conor took him down & outgrappled him, Frankie's obviously a strong wrestler & a very active grappler. Not strictly MMA Math, but I'd consider Edgar the slight favourite.

 

[TheVileOne]

Edgar is far from unbeatable. Holloway has all the tools to beat him. He's more powerful than Edgar, and he's just as fast if not faster. Holloway can do dynamic angles too. He's gotten better pretty much everywhere.

The McGregor fight was four years and like 11 victories ago. Has anyone taken down or out-grappled Holloway since that fight? Meanwhile, he's submitted a wrestler like Andre Fili from Team Alpha Male and he submitted Cub Swanson. I know MMA math doesn't always work, but Edgar was never able to overcome Jose Aldo in two fights, and Holloway put him away.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Edgar's takedowns might be the problem, but seriously Holloway impressed me in that last one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Edgar has a style that can mess with anyone. Lets see what happens.

 

[B]

Some good fights tonight, the moment just seemed too big tonight for Kevin Lee, which is what I did feel would happen. He's fought for 3 or 4 years in the UFC & fought some decent guys, but he's never fought as a headliner or a highly placed UFC LW before tonight so in that respect I think it was a little soon for him to be thrown in with a savage like Ferguson who's got a lot more experience against contenders.

As for Mighty Mouse, where does he go from this? He has wiped that division out & tonight he literally finished a fight he dominated with a video game style maneuver. I think he should go up to Bantamweight & fight the winner of TJ & Garbrant or even a rematch with Cruz.

 

[B]

Edgar is far from unbeatable. Holloway has all the tools to beat him. He's more powerful than Edgar, and he's just as fast if not faster. Holloway can do dynamic angles too. He's gotten better pretty much everywhere.

The McGregor fight was four years and like 11 victories ago. Has anyone taken down or out-grappled Holloway since that fight? Meanwhile, he's submitted a wrestler like Andre Fili from Team Alpha Male and he submitted Cub Swanson. I know MMA math doesn't always work, but Edgar was never able to overcome Jose Aldo in two fights, and Holloway put him away.

Yeah I don't know why Edgar struggled so much with Aldo on both occasions, he seemed to be a lot less loose & 'bouncy' than all his other fights for some reason. Styles make fights though, perhaps Aldo does something fairly subtitle that nullifies Edgar.

Aldo hasn't looked the same though since McGregor KO'd him.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah I don't know why Edgar struggled so much with Aldo on both occasions, he seemed to be a lot less loose & 'bouncy' than all his other fights for some reason. Styles make fights though, perhaps Aldo does something fairly subtitle that nullifies Edgar.

Aldo hasn't looked the same though since McGregor KO'd him.

Simple, Jose Aldo is a better boxer and kickboxer. Edgar didn't have an answer for Jose Aldo's legkicks either, and Aldo's legkicks are debilitating. Ask Urijah Faber. Chad Mendes is the only fighter I recall coming up with a strategy to neutralize Aldo's legkicks.

Also Demetrious Johnson undoubtedly one of the greatest MMA fighters to ever live. That finish was like a WWE 2K move. He did a German suplex into an armbar in mid-air.

Ferguson vs. Lee was awesome.