🤛 Official UFC Thread - Part 8

[Iceman]

Usually yes, there's screens around outside the cage that show what you see at home on them so they can see how longs left particularly at the bigger promotions like UFC. Your smaller local ones might not have the same. Plus you'll have the corner occasionally shouting the time left as well.

Great, thanks for the info. Seems like it would be very important for eg if you are on the ground and either up or down in the round to that point, and need to decide whether to make a big push to escape or just turtle up and see out the round.

 

[jolldan]

Can't wait for this weekend, even after the fallout of Diaz vs. Poirier, Weidman vs. Rockhold and all the Flyweight title drama the card is still stacked.

Think im going to stick Burgos, Branch and Robertson all to get the win by KO/TKO.

 

[legendkillin]

DC won as expected, even if it wasn't a short notice fight Lewis does not have the time to get good enough to defend a take down. Glad Lewis got a shot but Stipe should of had a rematch by now. He will just be pushed back with Brock and if Jones wins vs Gus he will want to fight for HW.

That Last Stylerbender though just gets more comfortable each time. He gets me as excited as when Jones first came in. Him and T-City are my favorite newer guys.

Souza and Weidman has to be fight of the night. That was back and forth greatness, pretty good card wish they would have found someone for Costa so he could have stayed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I haven't seen the card yet, but I heard Miragliotta almost got Weidman killed. Is that true?

 

[legendkillin]

I haven't seen the card yet, but I heard Miragliotta almost got Weidman killed. Is that true?

Yes lucky Souza was the guy fighting Weidman. If it had been a Rockhold who does not like Weidman it may have been even worse.

Mirgs is usually a good ref not sure why he did what he did.

 

[B]

Fell asleep on Saturday night & missed the UFC 230 card completely, not surprised on the main event result as while Derek Lewis is a big boy, hits hard & is obviously tough as nails, I think he's just not quite at that 'championship' sort of level to be able to beat someone like Cormier who's got a strong overall game.

Need to catch a replay though as I hear Jacare savaged Weidman & Israel Adesanya lit Brunson up, both of which I want to see including the main event.

In other news -

Floyd Mayweather to fight Tenshin Nasukawa at RIZIN’s New Year’s Eve event in Japan

"Stay tuned for future news regarding the rules the bout will be contested under, as well as other match-ups for the card."

It for certain won't be an MMA bout, if I'd to guess it will be no kicks, no knees, no elbows with "maybe" more lenient clinching but doubtful, I severely doubt it will be in 4oz gloves either. I'd basically anticipate a boxing match just under the RIZIN FF banner.

 

[Lobo]

Ben Askren vs Robbie Lawler is happening ar ufc 233 I like the fight.

 

[brainchild81]

Has Askren improved his MMA significantly? He was the most boring wrestler back in his Bellator days

 

[jolldan]

Has Askren improved his MMA significantly? He was the most boring wrestler back in his Bellator days

His MMA game has always been good just not that exciting to watch.

Im still undecided if I think he will beat Robbie though, he has big wins against guys like Koreshkov & Lima but those were more than 5 years ago.

The last 7 guys he fought while in ONE FC would all get beat by every single guy in the UFC's Welterweight top 15 so I can't really rate him off of that.

 

[B]

So sad watching Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz 3, I watched the fight on Youtube this morning I can't fathom why anybody would have paid for it on PPV or even paid for tickets for such a contest.

Needless to say, the fight shouldn't have happened, was sad to watch mainly Chuck move so slowly & get KO'd by a guy that he obliterated when they were both at their peaks. Even watching Tito is sad considering how much of an animal he used to be.

One of the saddest things to see is fighter(s) fight long after their bodies have betrayed them.

 

[Lobo]

Curiosity got the best of me and I watched that on youtube today, too. Tito celebrating like he beat a guy in his prime lol

 

[B]

Curiosity got the best of me and I watched that on youtube today, too. Tito celebrating like he beat a guy in his prime lol

Yeah, if I was Chuck I'd have never even given Tito the opportunity to get a bit of redemption & the chance to beat him. You fought & smashed him twice when you were both in your peak & had no excuses, fighting a 3rd time now made no sense.

I'd love to know how Chuck even got a license, he's 48 years old, I think it was 9 years since his last fight & the last 2-3 years of his fighting career he was alarmingly chinny & still is.

 

[Lobo]

Yeah Chuck had no business in that cage.

What do you think of the Conor vs Cerrone rumor?

 

[legendkillin]

Holloway lit Ortega up, but Ortega is tough. Doctors saved him from getting damaged even more.

 

[B]

Holloway lit Ortega up, but Ortega is tough. Doctors saved him from getting damaged even more.

I completely forgot about the event & missed it completely, luckily BT Sport have repeats available so I'll for sure be watching the event completely. I hear Gunner Nelson & Max Holloway were both superb.

 

[legendkillin]

I completely forgot about the event & missed it completely, luckily BT Sport have repeats available so I'll for sure be watching the event completely. I hear Gunner Nelson & Max Holloway were both superb.

Gunnar did look good, that finish may have been the goriest I have ever seen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

UFC 232 moved to L.A. after Jones' test results

 

[B]

UFC 232 moved to L.A. after Jones' test results

So.. he didn't fail a test, but the UFC event is being moved so he can get licensed? I'm confused, I was under the assumption if USADA say someone is clean or not clean, that's the final word given they've no monetary gains or loses to be made on if an athlete passes or fails one of their tests?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So.. he didn't fail a test, but the UFC event is being moved so he can get licensed? I'm confused, I was under the assumption if USADA say someone is clean or not clean, that's the final word given they've no monetary gains or loses to be made on if an athlete passes or fails one of their tests?

No, the state athletic commissions are the ones who hand out licenses to fighters. To fight in a state, you have to get a license there. USADA are private contractors for the UFC, who test alongside the ACs. UFC has bound themselves to those results and do hand them over to the ACs. Nevada could not license him in time as it would require hearings and such. California can because Jones failed their last time and thus they have all the paperwork on this case.

 

[TheVileOne]

The unfortunate thing is a lot of the fighters on this card learned the news on Twitter or over the Internet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The unfortunate thing is a lot of the fighters on this card learned the news on Twitter or over the Internet.

Jon Jones still ****ing other fighters over? No way.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's not just him, this is partially on the UFC as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not just him, this is partially on the UFC as well.

Well, yes. It is most certainly on them as well. They keep employing him, even after what has to be at least a half a dozen incidents. That they moved the entire card because of him is not okay at all imo. But hey, this is Dana White and the new UFC. Where Rachel Ostovich, who has very recently suffered a domestic violence attack, is fighting on the same card and well known domestic violence abuser, Greg Hardy. They make the worst decisions over there nowadays.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spending some of my Christmas day looking this up, waiting for basketball to start. Yeah, I don't trust USADA anymore. Jones is testing for similar amounts to what he did last time around. If he shouldn't have fought then, how do you justify letting him fight now? Also apparently what Jones was busted for is for weight cutting, or more specifically is apparently about keeping up performance during weight cutting. And this has appeared in his system 3 times during weight cutting.

 

[B]

No, the state athletic commissions are the ones who hand out licenses to fighters. To fight in a state, you have to get a license there. USADA are private contractors for the UFC, who test alongside the ACs. UFC has bound themselves to those results and do hand them over to the ACs. Nevada could not license him in time as it would require hearings and such. California can because Jones failed their last time and thus they have all the paperwork on this case.

Cheers I think I understand I read up a little on it more, I don't get why everything isn't just uniformal, wasn't that the purpose of USADA handling these tests? As outside of the various athletic commissions tests being nowhere near as strict, they all differ & have different policies/thresholds in regards to drug testing & acceptable levels of certain substances.

Spending some of my Christmas day looking this up, waiting for basketball to start. Yeah, I don't trust USADA anymore. Jones is testing for similar amounts to what he did last time around. If he shouldn't have fought then, how do you justify letting him fight now? Also apparently what Jones was busted for is for weight cutting, or more specifically is apparently about keeping up performance during weight cutting. And this has appeared in his system 3 times during weight cutting.

According to that, Jones hasn't failed a test but his most recent tests have shown the presence of a long-term metabolite from whatever was in his system prior & he'll get no performance-enhancing benefits from what remains, which I gather is the reason why the fight is allowed to go ahead. The amount is apparently so small, it would have been literally impossible for him to have retaken something during the window of his tests & have it show up so small & also not test positive for the short-term metabolite. I'll let the scientists do the science, if they say someones passed or failed a test, I'll take them at their word.. I'd trust USADA more than I'd trust some of the athletic commissions drug testing programmes.

What I don't get, if this is the case, if it's so small & he's getting no performance enhancing benefits, why even mention it at all?