10.21-22 - Finale - Discussion (Spoilers) [SERIES FINALE] V.4 - Part 2

[avidreader]

Thanks, and in response... The show promises nothing, that is also a lesson I learned long ago, but I was convinced that, with what had transpired during this season (the VRA, needing beacons of light and hope, heroes that went public facing backlash), they would show how Superman changes things, which we did not see. That, to me, is a lack of resolution and payoff.

But didnt he stop Apokolips from coming to Earth because he was the light and hope that the people wanted to see. Hence, why all of those Omega symbols disappeared.

Honestly, I find that reasoning flawed.

Flawed? That's a bit harsh. Sniff...sniff

In the Finale, we saw Clark in the Superman costume, flying and saving the world. Doesn't that constitute the end of the show, too? Yet, the Finale didn't just end there. My argument is, if we can see Superman be Superman, why can't we see him named as such, instead of that being left to Offscreenville and a practically throwaway reference by Chloe?

I'm no Chloe fan, so I was disappointed that she was the one that got to say it, but do you think if Lois had been the one to say it at the right moment you would have felt differently.

I think if she'd said it when she started to do her broadcast aboard Airforce One I would have been a much happier camper.

But that was seven years into the future, it doesn't really count. I'm assuming Zorex was talking about the here and now. They wanted the public to actually witness the unveiling of The Blur who Lois now calls Superman. After that, yeah, by all means, end the show on a shirt rip.

They did witness it... what I'm guessing alot of us would have liked to have seen is Clark's reaction to them witnessing it and that probably would have made all the difference, but in turn that would have required a full on view of Superman, for whatever reason we didnt get.

 

[blksuperman2]

Subscribing since Morg has become Threadmanager. *sigh*

 

[Zorex]

But didnt he stop Apokalyps from coming to Earth because he was the light and hope that the people wanted to see. Hence, why all of those Omega symbols disappeared.

They did witness it... what I'm guessing alot of us would have liked to have seen is Clark's reaction to them witnessing it and that probably would have made all the difference, but in turn that would have required a full on view of Superman, for whatever reason we didnt get.

He pushed Apokolips away and the Omega symbols disappeared. That's all they witnessed. What's missing is any evidence that anyone knew who it was that saved them and was inspired by or in awe of that person. He flew by so quickly and at such a distance... As far as all of those spectators are concerned, it was a flying person who saved the planet. Maybe the Blur, maybe Supergirl... maybe Mighty Mouse, maybe Santa Claus.

Maybe he was dubbed right after the fact, Maybe he came back down to Metropolis and revealed himself, instead of hanging out in space for the next 7 years... maybe that's why it took them that long to get married
Maybe that's when Clark Kent's journey to becoming Superman was finished when he stood in the light for all the world to see.

Maybe... in Offscreenville... sigh... Typical.

I think if she'd said it when she started to do her broadcast aboard Airforce One I would have been a much happier camper.

This. It was as good a time as any, so why didn't they? I would have been happier with the Finale, that's for damn sure. There are any number of ways they could have done it that wouldn't have depended on showing Welling wearing an actual Superman suit... much like the rest of the Finale.

There are so many mind-boggling, poorly made decisions in the Finale, in my opinion.

 

[Doc Ock]

Wow, I don't know what to say. I loved it and only had a few quibbles. Seeing Lex again was great and sooooooooooooOOOOOOOO awesome! Wasn't too big on the memory erase thing, but Tess doing it just made me like it more, it fits the Luthor legacy really well and makes alot of sense to me Tess would be the one to erase Lex's memories if it was anyone else I wouldn't be as pleased. Goodbye Tess. Awesome seeing Jonathan again, I didn't fully understand how he was there but it was great. Lionel was just FAN-tastic. I didn't care about having a big Darkseid/Superman showdown, it wasn't about that. Very nice to see a Jimmy cameo! I would say seeing Jimmy again but this is apparently the little Jimmy we saw back at the "other" Jimmy's funeral. CHLOE SULLIVAN FTW!

I have more good things I can say but i'm tired at the moment.

I did think alot of the first part dragged a bit though. The wedding stuff especially, some of that could of been cut out. I think Part 1 made Part 2 seem a little rushed. Sure we could of had more CK in tights but in the end it was a great ending to a fantastic show! I would love for Smallville to continue in comic book form.

I give it a 10! Or maybe a 9.5 or 9.7....but 10 expresses my love more.

So...when are getting the next Superman show?

Oh and to add, I loved how the episode kinda explained(or at least I saw that it did) that Superman would be the disguise and Clark Kent still would be the true person. (And I'm not talking about the Daily Planet CK )

 

[vantheman77]

If TW didn't want to wear the SR suit, I don't blame him. I remember watching the video from last year's Comic Con that he didn't seem happy that they got the SR suit from WB Archives.

After 10 years, he deserves his own Superman suit and it's possible he may have planned to wear it for the finale. I personally find it ridiculous that they made suits for other DCU characters, but didn't do the same for Superman.

I was glad that we got to see Superman in action in the Finale, which I didn't expect. I mean I expected Clark to fly and save the world while wearing the red shield jacket.

 

[KrypJonian]

If TW didn't want to wear the SR suit, I don't blame him. I remember watching the video from last year's Comic Con that he didn't seem happy that they got the SR suit from WB Archives.

After 10 years, he deserves his own Superman suit and it's possible he may have planned to wear it for the finale. I personally find it ridiculous that they made suits for other DCU characters, but didn't do the same for Superman.

I was glad that we got to see Superman in action in the Finale, which I didn't expect. I mean I expected Clark to fly and save the world while wearing the red shield jacket.

Well you and your shield jacket can go suck an egg

I expected a suit, and I din't get it...

 

[Assassin]

I watched since day one with my dad. we watched every week for at least 2 and a half seasons. this was our thing. eventually things got bad and he had to get a second job and he usually worked nights. I would record them for him to watch but he never had time. back then they replayed them on Sundays so he usually got to watch some of it then. As I grew older I got a job and then after high school i was working two jobs and going to college so i barley had time for tv, but i always recorded two shows. WWE Raw and Smallville. I missed seasons 5 and 6 but caught them on DVD and by season 7 my dad had lost both of his jobs and got a new job overseas.

The day Jonathan Kent died i had felt like someone very close to me had passed away since he was so much like my own father. I sent my father the dvds and we would talk about them via email. he was still sort of enjoying them but was also getting bored with the same crap. he always asked when is he going to become Superman?

I have many things that I found flawed about this show.
-He's with Lois because his true love Lana is poison for him so he has to stay away
-He had to be told by several other people to become a hero
-Booster Gold doesn't know the Blur's picked name in the future?
-Did they forget that Lionel is dead and this is Lionel is from Earth 3?

I have a million other complaints about this series as a whole but in the end i'm gonna miss it and I mostly enjoyed the ride.

 

[fixxxer1022]

Well you and your shield jacket can go suck an egg

I expected a suit, and I din't get it...

and you trolls can go back to the superman section. you got the suit and superman, be thankful you even got what you did.

 

[Donut]

and you trolls can go back to the superman section. you got the suit and superman, be thankful you even got what you did.

Do you really think acting childish like that & complaining about complainers is going to help the situation ? Also at the same time ignoring mods warnings. If this forum gets moved to the Superman section & not deleted at this point I will be amazed

 

[Herolee10]

I'm starting to wonder if it would have been more feasible if Clark had used his blur outfit to help save the day and that they would have held the scene where clark is getting his suit from the FOS after Clark had thrown Apokolipse back into space, then we could cut back to the future, where our first real glimpse of the suit on Clark would have been the final shot.

That way, we could have avoided seeing CGI Superman and we could have been treated to better Clark shots if he was just wearing his usual blur attire.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

He pushed Apokolips away and the Omega symbols disappeared. That's all they witnessed. What's missing is any evidence that anyone knew who it was that saved them and was inspired by or in awe of that person. He flew by so quickly and at such a distance... As far as all of those spectators are concerned, it was a flying person who saved the planet. Maybe the Blur, maybe Supergirl... maybe Mighty Mouse, maybe Santa Claus.

Maybe he was dubbed right after the fact, Maybe he came back down to Metropolis and revealed himself, instead of hanging out in space for the next 7 years... maybe that's why it took them that long to get married
Maybe that's when Clark Kent's journey to becoming Superman was finished when he stood in the light for all the world to see.

Maybe... in Offscreenville... sigh... Typical.

This. It was as good a time as any, so why didn't they? I would have been happier with the Finale, that's for damn sure. There are any number of ways they could have done it that wouldn't have depended on showing Welling wearing an actual Superman suit... much like the rest of the Finale.

There are so many mind-boggling, poorly made decisions in the Finale, in my opinion.

Yeah, I have stated a few times that I loved the finale, and yes I do concede that there were some things that didn't seem quite right. However, I do completely agree with your point here. My only wish is that we would have seen him "step into the light" and shown his face. It would have been nice to see him introduced to the world as Superman. The shirt rip at the end was so iconic and brought a tear to my eye, but that was 7 years after he had established himself as Superman. I think you see where I am going here.

 

[roach]

He pushed Apokolips away and the Omega symbols disappeared. That's all they witnessed. What's missing is any evidence that anyone knew who it was that saved them and was inspired by or in awe of that person. He flew by so quickly and at such a distance... As far as all of those spectators are concerned, it was a flying person who saved the planet. Maybe the Blur, maybe Supergirl... maybe Mighty Mouse, maybe Santa Claus.

Maybe he was dubbed right after the fact, Maybe he came back down to Metropolis and revealed himself, instead of hanging out in space for the next 7 years... maybe that's why it took them that long to get married
Maybe that's when Clark Kent's journey to becoming Superman was finished when he stood in the light for all the world to see.

Maybe... in Offscreenville... sigh... Typical.

This. It was as good a time as any, so why didn't they? I would have been happier with the Finale, that's for damn sure. There are any number of ways they could have done it that wouldn't have depended on showing Welling wearing an actual Superman suit... much like the rest of the Finale.

There are so many mind-boggling, poorly made decisions in the Finale, in my opinion.

well Ollie knew it was Clark...having never seen the suit or Clark fly

 

[Prison Mike]

It wouldn't take a genius to know he was Clark especially if you're one of the JL members who worked closely with him in the past.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I watched since day one with my dad. we watched every week for at least 2 and a half seasons. this was our thing. eventually things got bad and he had to get a second job and he usually worked nights. I would record them for him to watch but he never had time. back then they replayed them on Sundays so he usually got to watch some of it then. As I grew older I got a job and then after high school i was working two jobs and going to college so i barley had time for tv, but i always recorded two shows. WWE Raw and Smallville. I missed seasons 5 and 6 but caught them on DVD and by season 7 my dad had lost both of his jobs and got a new job overseas.

The day Jonathan Kent died i had felt like someone very close to me had passed away since he was so much like my own father. I sent my father the dvds and we would talk about them via email. he was still sort of enjoying them but was also getting bored with the same crap. he always asked when is he going to become Superman?

I have many things that I found flawed about this show.
-He's with Lois because his true love Lana is poison for him so he has to stay away
-He had to be told by several other people to become a hero
-Booster Gold doesn't know the Blur's picked name in the future?
-Did they forget that Lionel is dead and this is Lionel is from Earth 3?

I have a million other complaints about this series as a whole but in the end i'm gonna miss it and I mostly enjoyed the ride.

Cool story. Sometimes it truly is more about who you're with than what you're doing/watching.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm no Chloe fan, so I was disappointed that she was the one that got to say it, but do you think if Lois had been the one to say it at the right moment you would have felt differently..

That's one thing I was a bit let down by, only because after Superman saved Air Force One and Lois picked up the camera and started recording herself, I thought she was either going to start filming Superman or call him "Superman" into the camera which was how the name was going to be born.

Then the stupid President stepped in, and that was it.

Stupid President.

 

[roach]

It wouldn't take a genius to know he was Clark especially if you're one of the JL members who worked closely with him in the past.

sorry but that makes no sense...he knew the streak in the air was Clark because he worked with him...even though he never saw him in that costume nor seen him fly

 

[Lencho01]

Yeah, I have stated a few times that I loved the finale, and yes I do concede that there were some things that didn't seem quite right. However, I do completely agree with your point here. My only wish is that we would have seen him "step into the light" and shown his face. It would have been nice to see him introduced to the world as Superman. The shirt rip at the end was so iconic and brought a tear to my eye, but that was 7 years after he had established himself as Superman. I think you see where I am going here.

And it's funny because throughout the season, they pretty much kept bringing up the idea of Clark (and everyone else) having to step out so people could trust them more.

 

[Lencho01]

sorry but that makes no sense...he knew the streak in the air was Clark because he worked with him...even though he never saw him in that costume nor seen him fly

Yeah, no one has seen him fly except for Martha and was Kal-El doing the flying.

 

[Prison Mike]

sorry but that makes no sense...he knew the streak in the air was Clark because he worked with him...even though he never saw him in that costume nor seen him fly

Not everything has to be spelled out for the viewers. I would think people would know that the Blur is Superman just by the "S" on his costume. Oliver also knows about Kara and her powers such as flight. So I'm sure he knows Clark is capable of doing that. It's a pretty minor thing to find fault with given the rest of the episode's mistakes.

 

[Lencho01]

Not everything has to be spelled out for the viewers. I would think people would know that the Blur is Superman just by the "S" on his costume. Oliver also knows about Kara and her powers such as flight. So I'm sure he knows Clark is capable of doing that. It's a pretty minor thing to find fault with given the rest of the episode's mistakes.

I don't see how that it'd be spelling things out for the viewers. It just makes sense that no one would really know who was flying since they couldn't see anything, but just some streak and as far as Ollie knew, Clark couldn't fly.

 

[Indy Flash]

Ollie saw red and blue. So that gave it away. and agreeing about working with him. Ollie knew it was Clark and no one else.

 

[Dark Raven]

That's one thing I was a bit let down by, only because after Superman saved Air Force One and Lois picked up the camera and started recording herself, I thought she was either going to start filming Superman or call him "Superman" into the camera which was how the name was going to be born.

Then the stupid President stepped in, and that was it.

Stupid President.

What was the point of that scene? It served no purpose. It would've served more purpose if it had been Lois christening Clark as Superman (and having caught him on camera making the save).

 

[RakuMon]

I think if the ending bit with Apokolips was done just a little bit differently, a lot of the complaints that the Finale's getting would have been more muted.

For example, I would have had Air Force One in more danger. Maybe turbulence causes an engine to go out and the plane starts plummeting towards the Daily Planet. People are on the streets, and watching on TVs around the world, are witnessing this crisis.

Then Superman comes in and saves the plane. Then the whole world would have been able to witness this amazing act and we'd see everyone cheering and clapping. We'd cut to scenes all around the world of people cheering and omegas disappearing. And since the omegas were what was binding Earth to Apokolips, Superman's inspiration is what causes Apokolips to go away.

They could have done all this without showing Superman up close for us at home. But I agree it is important for the people in the fiction of the show to see Superman up close and be the reason they are inspired.

To me, the main reason we at home don't see Superman up close is because we are the only ones who can witness the shirt rip on the rooftop. That is the moment the show had been building towards for ten years. To see Supes in his glory would have taken away from that ultimate money shot. And I'm fine with that. It makes sense.

In other words, all the Superman action from a distance is when Superman was born for the people in Metropolis and inside the fiction of "Smallville." But for us, the TV viewing audience, our moment is the final shot of Supes as Clark opens his shirt.

You can't have both.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

It wouldn't take a genius to know he was Clark especially if you're one of the JL members who worked closely with him in the past.

Not only that, but Clark was the one who delivered Oliver from the "Darkness". So the JL knew that Clark was the light that could overcome the darkness.

 

[Zorex]

well Ollie knew it was Clark...having never seen the suit or Clark fly

Nice eye rolling.

Oliver knows Clark, and, as far as SV's lazy writing is concerned, that's enough for him to know it was Clark saving the world. Would it have been so hard, or so costly, or so unnecessary, to show the world learning who had saved them? It would have been nice to have a bookend to the premiere when it seemed as though the city looked up and saw that someone had saved them. In the finale it seemed as though they were just overjoyed not to be dead, not that they had Flying hero in red and blue protecting them.

This season talked so much about heroes needing to inspire people. It would have been nice to see Superman inspire the city.