2008 Academy Awards

DACrowe said:
You see I strongly disagree. With movies like There Will Be Blood, Sweeney Todd and Atonement there were very memorable long lasting great pieces of cinema that had the heart and depth from their auteurs that was missing in NCFOM. And while Juno, Into the Wild, The Assassination of Jesse James and even Zodiac won't be remembered except by cinephiles in the long scheme of things (well actually I see Juno becoming a landmark youth film for this generation) they all were not meant for mass consumption but were brilliant and had the passion that NCFOM lacked (not to mention better pacing and endings).

I think this was an AMAZING YEAR for cinema and NCFOM will be remembered for its villain, but I think there were better movies. I think all five nominees will be remembered in some way, with Juno entering pop culture the way certain movies that speak to generations (The Graduate, American Graffitti, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Clerks, etc.) does. A great year. I simply think a decent movie that has a great villain won over MANY more deserving films.
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Well for the record I wasn't saying NCFOM was bad, far from it. It's actually quite good and I look forward to whatever the Coen's put out but its lacking that rawness that Fargo had, those beginning films a director puts out before they become masters so to speak.
 
bullets said:
I think Sweeney Todd is the best thing Burton has made in a while . The passion exists.
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Exactly. Easily Burton's best movie since Ed Wood. Wright made Atonement, Anderson made TWBB, even REitman's Juno. It exists. But it was ignored.
 
DACrowe said:
You see I strongly disagree. With movies like There Will Be Blood, Sweeney Todd and Atonement there were very memorable long lasting great pieces of cinema that had the heart and depth from their auteurs that was missing in NCFOM. And while Juno, Into the Wild, The Assassination of Jesse James and even Zodiac won't be remembered except by cinephiles in the long scheme of things (well actually I see Juno becoming a landmark youth film for this generation) they all were not meant for mass consumption but were brilliant and had the passion that NCFOM lacked (not to mention better pacing and endings).

I think this was an AMAZING YEAR for cinema and NCFOM will be remembered for its villain, but I think there were better movies. I think all five nominees will be remembered in some way, with Juno entering pop culture the way certain movies that speak to generations (The Graduate, American Graffitti, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Clerks, etc.) does. A great year. I simply think a decent movie that has a great villain won over MANY more deserving films.
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You GOT to win Best Picture buddy.... that's all there is too it...
 
Good for NCFOM. :D

When was the last time that the Best Picture winner didn't have a nominee for Best Actor?
 
the academy should do what the Golden globes do, and have two category's for best picture, One for a drama and the other for Comedy or Musical.
 
Sweeney Todd was good, but Big Fish is his best film in my opinion. That movie just gives you a great feeling after watching it.
 
So, you're saying all films that do not win best picture are forgotten in the annuls of time?

That is my problem with the Academy Awards. They usually make a political choice and it is as if they invalidate other great movies of that year. Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men, Saving Private Ryan, Star Wars, Jaws, Manhattan, A Clockwork Orange, Mystic River, Psycho, Rear Window, Shadow of a Doubt, LA Confidential, Moulin Rouge, Ed Wood, Pulp Fiction and so on ALL failed to take best picture. Yet, we remember all of them and still talk of them even though they didn't win best picture.

I'd say winning best pic does not decide the future success of a movie in whether it is remembered or not.
 
Best Picture is a good award but doesn't completely reflect public opinion.
 
DACrowe said:
So, you're saying all films that do not win best picture are forgotten in the annuls of time?

That is my problem with the Academy Awards. They usually make a political choice and it is as if they invalidate other great movies of that year. Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men, Saving Private Ryan, Star Wars, Jaws, Manhattan, A Clockwork Orange, Psycho, Rear Window, Shadow of a Doubt, LA Confidential, Moulin Rouge, Ed Wood, Pulp Fiction and so on ALL failed to take best picture. Yet, we remember all of them and still talk of them even though they didn't win best picture.

I'd say winning best pic does not decide the future success of a movie in whether it is remembered or not.
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Good point... but I wasn't referring to the culture changing films... I agree with your take on Juno... but I don't think it will be that significant down the road... but movies like Atonement when they play the same long lost lovers traingle in a WWII epic isn't exactly something we aren't accustomed to seeing. Those types of films have won in the past... Shakespeare in Love.... English Patient... Atonement obviously wasn't on par with its predecessors... Maybe the academy doesn't like voting for those kinds of films anymore I dunno... hence it won't be remembered... yeah I'll give you Sweeney Todd was something different... the movie just didn't do it for me. Obviously the Academy felt the same way... the neck slitting and the quirkiness wasn't going to save what was a pretty conventional premise.
 
ST didn't do it for you, that does not mean that it is not a brilliant film. I think it will get a cult following that will elevate it to classic status like Pulp Fiction, Seven and Burton's own great moviesl ike Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas and of course Ed Wood.

Atonement was also FAR superior to Shakespeare in Love and English Patient. In fact it is only remotely similar to those movies. Atonement was not cliche ridden Oscar bait (which those were, if Atonement was it would have had Minghella direct and won). Who is to say just because those two pictures (unjustly) won that it is better than Atonement? Have you seen the movie? It is unique in its genre and stands out more than most.
 
Mark Wahlberg had no business being the only actor nominated for The Departed. Made no sense.
 
Yeah Leo got Nominted for Best Actor but it was for the Blood Diamond.
 
Well Dicaprio may have but he had the nomination for Blood Diamond. Departed may have won him the award.
 
DACrowe said:
ST didn't do it for you, that does not mean that it is not a brilliant film. I think it will get a cult following that will elevate it to classic status like Pulp Fiction, Seven and Burton's own great moviesl ike Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas and of course Ed Wood.

Atonement was also FAR superior to Shakespeare in Love and English Patient. In fact it is only remotely similar to those movies. Atonement was not cliche ridden Oscar bait (which those were, if Atonement was it would have had Minghella direct and won). Who is to say just because those two pictures (unjustly) won that it is better than Atonement? Have you seen the movie? It is unique in its genre and stands out more than most.
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No one will be talking about Atonement in ten years... NO ONE... no one even talks about the English Patient or Shakespeare in Love other than giving them their dues for the Oscar nods... maybe Sweeney Todd gets the cult status I can't say... Burton has had his fair share of those... IMO the guy isn't Oscar material though. I don't hold his films as all time personal favorites like some people do... but I have seen better Burton than Sweeney Todd... yeah it should have at least gotten some technical awards... I just didn't like the film... we'll leave it at that.
 
bullets said:
Mark Wahlberg was good in that movie but hardly in it.
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I loved him, don't get me wrong. But all he did was "act" badass.

And he's Mark Wahlberg, so that's not exactly a stretch.
 
Saying a movie is better based on whether who wins is ridiculous based on the sole reason that the oscars are so influenced by culture, who really knows what will stand the test of time. How many people have heard of "How Green Was My Valley" raise your hand, how many have heard of "Citizen Kane"? I rest my case :)
 
Cmill216 said:
I loved him, don't get me wrong. But all he did was "act" badass.

And he's Mark Wahlberg, so that's not exactly a stretch.
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True, but
capping Matt Damon at the end was pretty badass I thought
 
Yurka said:
True, but
capping Matt Damon at the end was pretty badass I thought
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It was badass. But Mark Wahlberg would do something like that in real life, so again, it wasn't really that great of a performance.
 
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