2008 Academy Awards

I dunno I thought this has been the best year of movies maybe this century

I think we got two comedy classics in Knocked Up, and Superbad

we got some revived Western love with 3:10, and No Country

The completion of a comeback, and redemption by the Fleck with Gone Baby Gone

A flat out awesome movie with Planet Terror

a great thriller in Zodiac, and just great movies like Michael Clayton, American Gangster, and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, and possibly the best chick flick ever with Waitress

Solid Action movies all around but notable ones with Die Hard, Transformers, Potter, and Bourne

In all honesty I don't see where the weak year has come from, I think this is by far the strongest year of at least the last 5 years

I've posted at length about it in other threads and don't want to go around repeating my level of apathy about most of these films like a broken record :oldrazz: But I will say, that, on the whole- you can match up these films and this year with the films of each respective former year and they just don't at all hold up. It's not that all of these films you're talking about are bad, it's just that they aren't that good. Just elaborating on the 2 films I already mentioned-

American Gangster? What is so grand about this film? It's three hours long, it has some nice production values and decent acting. The script though is all over the place, stuffed to the brim with too many characters that get no characterization. Even with a better script, it doesn't change the fact that it's nothing more than The Wire put to the big screen. I like to see films nominated and win that try new things, that really up the bar. Last year, you can see this all over the place. Like you said, Children of Men. You can't put a description on a movie like that. It's not "Mad Max saves a baby" or "Blade Runner for the new millenium." Any time it's easier to describe a film with references to other films(or in this case, tv shows), I just don't think there's much we should be awarding it for. Because it's already been done, and if any film should have gotten awards for it- it's the one that did it first. And American Gangster... it's just The Wire on the big screen. Literally.

And 3:10? Forgettable shlock. Sure, a decent way to kill a couple hours, but nothing amazing. The one thing the movie had going for it- the "complexity" of it's two main characters, seems extremely forced and just overall poorly written. For example, we're told Crowe is supposed to be some supremely evil badass. But he's not. Time after time he's shown not killing someone, not doing something evil when he could. And yet a whole group of crazed killers respect him.... why again, exactly? It would be one thing if he was just a misunderstood "bad" guy, but the fact that he has a whole posse of trained killers that respect the hell out of him attempts to suggest otherwise. Yet, the entire movie we know he's just another one of the good guys. Sure, he kills off some of the "good", but only after we're shown that they are just a bunch of scumbags. The scene near the end where he finally "decides" to help Bale get him to his death on the train is rediculous- because the speech Bale gives him is rediculous. It isn't emotional, it isn't powerful, hell, it barely makes sense. But because the music swells up and they give eachother a look, we're supposed to buy that he changes his mind and helps shoot his way to the train. I could tear this film apart piece by piece, but I'll just save myself some time and sum it up with: Luke Wilson. Wtf?


Ignore the rest of this, its for school:

My name is Dan Suarez, and I’m here to talk to all of you about Chivalry.
The Question is, is Chivalry Dead?
The answer is no, it’s just shot and bleeding out slowly on the side of the road.
Remember that Mel Gibson movie from a few years ago called What Women Want? I know I don’t, but the title alone makes me laugh. How could they make a movie about a man knowing what women want when women don’t even know themselves?
I’m conflicted. On one hand, there is the way of chivalry. The other, equality. The problem is that all I keep hearing is women asking for both. Unfortunately, they are the exact opposite. Chivalry asks for special treatment, equality obviously does not.
Should women be treated specifically? If my answer were to be aligned with all my other views, it would be no. But what about manners? I find myself naturally inclined to give extra sensabilities to women. I might offer my coat to a lady who’s cold, but how would a man react to such an offer? Probably not too well. He might think I’m pitching for the catcher, if you know what I mean.
The modern interpretation of chivalry (which is actually a meshing of medievil ideals of chivalry and courtly love) deals with men’s ettiquette and politeness towards women. Part of the reason we’ve seen a decline in this behavior is because American socitey in general is moving away from the traditional/old-fashioned forms of ettiquette and politeness. Manners just aren’t held to be as important as they once were, and so less and less men are raised to treat women in a chivalrous way.
Chivalry is also caught up in sex and courtship. Another reason for the decline in modern chivalry is the “nice-guys-finish-last” mentality that I know a lot of men subscribe to. The common complaint of “why do the jerks get all the guys?” makes a lot of the nicer guys jaded towards what they know to be the correct way to treat ladies. To be blunt, if you ain’t getting laid or loved, what’s the point?
I hold the door for everyone. If my friend was cold, I’d give them my coat regardless of gender. But then again, they know me well enough(hopefully) to understand that I’m not making a pass at them. When I’m out to dinner with a girl, I’ll offer to pick up the check, but won’t be offended if she wanted to go Dutch, and I wouldn’t be dissapointed if she didn’t offer to pay. The politeness and courtship of chivalry don’t demean or belittle anyone, they formalize and enhance the way we interact.
So it comes down to a choice: chivalry vs. equality.
The first choice is a lot more romantic and adds some magic to life for those who embrace it. It also robs women of a little dignity, I think. It’s almost demeaning to think that women would need your damn coat, anyway.
The second view is a dull, but more realistic and fair. If I were historically a second class citizen (and I’m trying to avoid writing “If I were a woman...”), I would sure want to be seen on a level equal to those around me.
One thing’s for sure, having both chivalry and equality in play warps the social dynamic, and is no way to run a railroad. Getting off the fence and picking one way or the other is the only way to go.
 
This isnt who I think will win, but my choices for each area

Best Picture - No Country For Old Men
Best Actor - Emile Hirsch (Into The Wild)
Best Actress - Ellen Page (Juno)
Best Supporting Actor - Javier Bardem (No Country For Old Men)
Best Supporting Actress - Cate Blanchett (Im Not There)
Best Director - Coen Brothers (No Country For Old Men)

Im holding out on Animated, as I want to see Persepolis, but as of now, its gotta be Ratatouile.
 
This isnt who I think will win, but my choices for each area

Best Picture - No Country For Old Men
Best Actor - Emile Hirsch (Into The Wild)
Best Actress - Ellen Page (Juno)
Best Supporting Actor - Javier Bardem (No Country For Old Men)
Best Supporting Actress - Cate Blanchett (Im Not There)
Best Director - Coen Brothers (No Country For Old Men)

Im holding out on Animated, as I want to see Persepolis, but as of now, its gotta be Ratatouile.

I loved Ratatouile, I think it's pretty much a shoe-in, but I wonder if Beowulf and Simpsons would get a nomination.

Btw, love your avvy cookiva:woot:
 
i need to start going to the movies again... i haven't seen any of this years must see films yet....
 
I've posted at length about it in other threads and don't want to go around repeating my level of apathy about most of these films like a broken record :oldrazz: But I will say, that, on the whole- you can match up these films and this year with the films of each respective former year and they just don't at all hold up. It's not that all of these films you're talking about are bad, it's just that they aren't that good. Just elaborating on the 2 films I already mentioned-

American Gangster? What is so grand about this film? It's three hours long, it has some nice production values and decent acting. The script though is all over the place, stuffed to the brim with too many characters that get no characterization. Even with a better script, it doesn't change the fact that it's nothing more than The Wire put to the big screen. I like to see films nominated and win that try new things, that really up the bar. Last year, you can see this all over the place. Like you said, Children of Men. You can't put a description on a movie like that. It's not "Mad Max saves a baby" or "Blade Runner for the new millenium." Any time it's easier to describe a film with references to other films(or in this case, tv shows), I just don't think there's much we should be awarding it for. Because it's already been done, and if any film should have gotten awards for it- it's the one that did it first. And American Gangster... it's just The Wire on the big screen. Literally.

And 3:10? Forgettable shlock. Sure, a decent way to kill a couple hours, but nothing amazing. The one thing the movie had going for it- the "complexity" of it's two main characters, seems extremely forced and just overall poorly written. For example, we're told Crowe is supposed to be some supremely evil badass. But he's not. Time after time he's shown not killing someone, not doing something evil when he could. And yet a whole group of crazed killers respect him.... why again, exactly? It would be one thing if he was just a misunderstood "bad" guy, but the fact that he has a whole posse of trained killers that respect the hell out of him attempts to suggest otherwise. Yet, the entire movie we know he's just another one of the good guys. Sure, he kills off some of the "good", but only after we're shown that they are just a bunch of scumbags. The scene near the end where he finally "decides" to help Bale get him to his death on the train is rediculous- because the speech Bale gives him is rediculous. It isn't emotional, it isn't powerful, hell, it barely makes sense. But because the music swells up and they give eachother a look, we're supposed to buy that he changes his mind and helps shoot his way to the train. I could tear this film apart piece by piece, but I'll just save myself some time and sum it up with: Luke Wilson. Wtf?


I'm not as high on American Gangster as most people are, but I still thought it was sweet, my point with that is that is the kind of movie that if it had been released in the last 5 years or so would get nominated cause there are no Awards type movies out there (United 93 nomination enough said). I don't see a whole lot of difference between it or the Departed outside of the Departed having a tighter script (like you mentioned one problem with AG), however the feel of the 70's that was made by AG completely dwarfs most of what the Departed did imo, capturing everything in beautiful fashion. It's the kind of movie that would normally get a Best Picture nomination, and this year it probably won't cause there are so many good movies

3:10 to Yuma, I dunno I thought it was great, and I also thought the Luke Wilson cameo was the best cameo of the year. The Crowe character though clearly kills two cops on the journey, pretty mindlessly too I don't really see what you are talking about there saying he time and time again doesn't just off some one when he is trying his hardest to kill these sheriffs and get out. I think he just doesn't want to kill Bale is the only part that he hesitates on and that is where the writing, and acting is great cause he sees what people like him have done to a good honest man, and the pride Bale is trying to keep or instill within his son. I'd put it in my top 5 of the year, I don't think it will get a best picture nomination but I have no problem saying I think it should
 
I can see 300 being nominated for fx and cinematography

I'd say it's a long shot considering Transformers, Pirates, Spider-man, Potter, and Die Hard have destroyed 300 in visual effects, and I'd assume Beowulf will get in before 300 does

and the cinematography in 300 was borderline claustrophobic, it gets no love from me at least
 
If I'm not mistaken the Academy only allows ONE PERSON to be nominated in the directing category. So...I don't see the Coen's qualifying. :huh:

Joel Coen would get the credit as director.
 
I loved Ratatouile, I think it's pretty much a shoe-in, but I wonder if Beowulf and Simpsons would get a nomination.

Btw, love your avvy cookiva:woot:

Do not doubt Persopolis
 
Joel Coen would get the credit as director.

Is Joel Coen REALLY listed as the sole director? Back in the day they would just say "produced by Ethan Coen, Directed by Joel Coen, and written by Coen Brothers" which is how Joel Coen got the directing nomination for Fargo. However, for the past few years BOTH of them have been sharing credits. I haven't seen No Country For Old Men yet but according to IMDb they are sharing credits so that automatically disqualifies them for the directing oscar. They can be nominated for Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Editing but they won't get the Best Director nomination.
 
Someone mentioned Antonement...that seems like exactly the type of film that usually gets a few noms (the quiet British film of the year).
 
Is Joel Coen REALLY listed as the sole director? Back in the day they would just say "produced by Ethan Coen, Directed by Joel Coen, and written by Coen Brothers" which is how Joel Coen got the directing nomination for Fargo. However, for the past few years BOTH of them have been sharing credits. I haven't seen No Country For Old Men yet but according to IMDb they are sharing credits so that automatically disqualifies them for the directing oscar. They can be nominated for Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Editing but they won't get the Best Director nomination.

I can't remember how it was listed in the film itself. but I've seen on numerous sites that Joel is the director. But other sites also say both of them. So, I don't know what's the case.
 
Joel and Ethan Coen are given the directing credit on NCFOM
 
To those of you who are pointing out that movies have been weak and don't deserve Oscars, the awards are relative, not absolute. There's no such thing as the "great, kickass movie" Oscar award. It's "best movie" (out of what's been released in the last year). If the movies are weak, it's like winning the BCS Title this year - no one really deserves it, but someone's gonna get it.
 
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]In an awards race more uncertain than any in years, the last few weeks have brought a radical re-drawing of the map. Dark horses have emerged as favorites, darlings have lost some of their promise, and unknowns have risen, fallen and risen again.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]But as Oscar prognosticators take in the latest world order, they're asking a question increasingly common in this era of endless, breathless awards-season blogging: Is this current picture finally an accurate representation of the race or just one more snapshot that could change overnight?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Over the last two days, the New York Film Critics Circle and the Los Angeles Film Critics Assn. anointed two pictures, "No Country for Old Men" and "There Will Be Blood" as front-runners with their respective best picture nods. The former has had Oscar buzz practically since Cannes, of course, but even rival executives admit the groups gave an important boost to the still-unreleased "Blood" and its star, Daniel Day-Lewis.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1] Other movies seem to be gaining a head of steam at just the right time, with the industry now anxiously awaiting the Golden Globe nominations on Thursday.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Fox Searchlight's pregnancy comedy-drama "Juno" has gone from an uncertainty to a bona fide contender. Focus' "Atonement" encountered dueling downbeat/upbeat reviews in the New York Times and Los Angeles Times -- overall, RottenTomatoes.com says 86 percent of its reviews have been positive -- but they don't seem to have slowed its momentum, at least based on descriptions from those at several screenings. Early entry "Michael Clayton," several veteran award-watchers say, is on the cusp of a comeback.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Even a movie that few have seen, Denzel Washington's period race movie "The Great Debaters," could pick up velocity as the Weinstein Co. makes clear it's laying down its chips on the Christmas Day release. The company has taken out full-page ads in the Los Angeles Times, and an endorsement from Oprah Winfrey should keep the movie on the public and Academy radars.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]On the other side of the equation, early favorites like "American Gangster" will now have to withstand the upstarts that have emerged in recent weeks. Preliminary hopefuls like "In the Valley of Elah" and "Reservation Road" are no longer the focus of conversation.

[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The challenge for a movie like the December 21 release "Charlie Wilson's War" is that despite the Oscar pedigrees of all involved (Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, Philip Seymour Hoffman, director Mike Nichols), even before the film is unveiled to the public and much of the industry, a number of online pundits have been putting out lukewarm word.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The scorecarding certainly has its place; it's fun, and as one exec put it, it's a less bleak subject than the writers strike. But more than anything, it's an indication of how many people now get paid to predict an awards season that is becoming, because of the number and range of fall movies, increasingly hard to predict. In other words, it may say more about the frenetic level of observation than anything being observed.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Even beyond the blogs, studios rejoicing at the critics' lists may want to be reminded that critics are notoriously bad predictors of Globes and Oscar nominations, in part because many choose movies they think the Hollywood Foreign Press Assn. and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences will overlook. Last year, the New York critics named "United 93" best picture and the L.A. critics hailed the film's Paul Greengrass as best director, but while the Academy granted Greengrass a best director nomination, the film failed to make Oscar's list of best picture nominees.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]At one point, this year's race was seen as so wide open that even an animated movie like "Ratatouille" could be a best-picture contender. But even though the field remains unpredictable, some tightening has occurred. Disney, for example, is focusing its efforts on behalf of "Ratatouille" to ensure it scores a best animated film Oscar nomination[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Is Joel Coen REALLY listed as the sole director? Back in the day they would just say "produced by Ethan Coen, Directed by Joel Coen, and written by Coen Brothers" which is how Joel Coen got the directing nomination for Fargo. However, for the past few years BOTH of them have been sharing credits. I haven't seen No Country For Old Men yet but according to IMDb they are sharing credits so that automatically disqualifies them for the directing oscar. They can be nominated for Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Editing but they won't get the Best Director nomination.

Do you have a link to where that's' a rule...im not doubting you but alot of magazines are proclaiming them for best director
 
Joel and Ethan Coen are given the directing credit on NCFOM

Then they won't recieve an Oscar nomination in the directing category. They can (and probably will) get Best Picture, Adapted Screenplay, and Editing nominations.

So it seems like the directing race is between P.T. Anderson (There Will Be Blood), Tim Burton (Sweeney Todd), Jason Reitman (Juno), Joe Wright (Atonement), and an underdog candidate.
 
Then they won't recieve an Oscar nomination in the directing category. They can (and probably will) get Best Picture, Adapted Screenplay, and Editing nominations.

So it seems like the directing race is between P.T. Anderson (There Will Be Blood), Tim Burton (Sweeney Todd), Jason Reitman (Juno), Joe Wright (Atonement), and an underdog candidate.

The Fleck? :daredevil
Tony Gilroy
Sidney Lument
Marc Forester could get a nomination
 
Do you have a link to where that's' a rule

No. I just know because I remember reading about it. Like I said earlier..."if I'm not mistaken"

The Fleck? :daredevil

Tony Gilroy?

When the Golden Globe nominations are announced tomorrow we'll have a better idea. But based on recent awards like national board, new york film critics, la film critics, critics choice awards, etc it seems like Sean Penn and Sidney Lumet are in the running.
 
Wow! I have no freaking idea of who could win the Oscar this year!:huh:
 
So it seems like the directing race is between P.T. Anderson (There Will Be Blood), Tim Burton (Sweeney Todd), Jason Reitman (Juno), Joe Wright (Atonement), and an underdog candidate.
Yup.

In some ways, the 2008 Oscars strikes me as the "violent" Oscars with THERE WILL BE BLOOD, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, and SWEENEY TODD being among the top contenders.
 
To those of you who are pointing out that movies have been weak and don't deserve Oscars, the awards are relative, not absolute. There's no such thing as the "great, kickass movie" Oscar award. It's "best movie" (out of what's been released in the last year). If the movies are weak, it's like winning the BCS Title this year - no one really deserves it, but someone's gonna get it.


I don't agree with this at all, I think there always is a "best" (Granted its easier in sports than movies) but even if it is a weak crop (which if selected right it won't be) there still is a "best" movie of the year


....I just rarely think the movie they choose is such
 
The best movie has to be Spider-man 3. It's gonna win every Oscar this year, because it was SOOOOO great!

LOL!

Yeah...No Country for Old Men will probably win, which would be fine with me.
 

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