2009 NFL Thread, part 2

[Cunning Stunts]

Again, forcing overtime to be 10 minutes long - no matter what happens - is a huge loss for players and thus the game. Just like adding a 17th game, it's completely unfair to the players.

There is nothing wrong with the current OT as it stands. The only adjustment is that can take away the "it's decided by a coin flip!" argument (besides the fact it's not based on fact anyway) is taking away the second coin toss.

Uh, weren't people on every level of the NFL saying in the media that they'd agree to an extra game or two, stating that they don't need the last two preseason games?

I'm pretty sure the players, for the most part, don't find it "unfair". Especially if it'll give the middle-of-the-pack teams a better chance at competing for the playoffs.

And as far as OT goes, there's a lot wrong with it. This isn't a game of chance, it's a game of skill. The problem is, most teams that win the coin toss wind up winning the game. These are professionals- why the hell can't they have the same fair chance that college teams get in overtime? If you can win it with your offense, prove you can do the same with your defense. Plus, the fact that a simple field goal can decide the outcome of a game so abruptly is borderline idiotic.

Hell, at the very least, a fair chance would almost nullify all the talk about the ******** no-call on the facemask against Aaron Rodgers last night just as the game was being won.

 

[Matt]

The face mask wasn't a no-call. It was a no-penalty. The finger got stuck in it. There was no twist or turn or use of the face mask to tackle. Being as incidental facemasking was eliminated in 2008 it was not a penalty.

 

[Kane52630]

Sanchez On Pete Carroll

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[BlackLantern]

The face mask wasn't a no-call. It was a no-penalty. The finger got stuck in it. There was no twist or turn or use of the face mask to tackle. Being as incidental facemasking was eliminated in 2008 it was not a penalty.

that was my thinking...my understanding of a facemask is if the head is moved, twisted or the players motion is impeded by the action...

 

[Alex The Great]

Tough Picks this week.....The Ravens got their **** together last week and The Jets might be able to pull off the upset as long as there D holds up.


My head hurts

 

[Immortalfire]

Sanchez On Pete Carroll

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[BlackLantern]

stay classy, Philly fans

BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Police are investigating a reported assault on a 27-year-old Lehigh Valley woman as she was going to the convenience store Friday night.
Jamie Wert said she was wearing a Dallas Cowboys football shirt with quarterback Tony Romo's name and number on the back while walking on Spruce Street in Bethlehem.
That's when she says she was approached by two men wearing Philadelphia Eagles jerseys.
When one of them said, "Hey, Romo," she turned around and was struck with something that cut her face.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news...an_Wearing_Romo_Jersey_Assaulted_In_Bethlehem

 

[Matt]

that was my thinking...my understanding of a facemask is if the head is moved, twisted or the players motion is impeded by the action...

Yep. There used to be the whole five yard incidental but that was eliminated by the rules committee in 2008.

 

[Immortalfire]

stay classy, Philly fans



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news...an_Wearing_Romo_Jersey_Assaulted_In_Bethlehem

 

[omid17]

Woodson is AP Defensive Player of Year

 

[Poeman]

Woodson is AP Defensive Player of Year

It should have been Darelle Revis...What ********.

Charles Woodson got burned so bad this past weekend its ridiculous. Just cause the guy had 3 more ints and and high numbers make you DPOY?

How about completely shutting down your pass offense, literally making you the #1 pass defense in the nfl because of your capabilities.

 

[Darthphere]

The face mask wasn't a no-call. It was a no-penalty. The finger got stuck in it. There was no twist or turn or use of the face mask to tackle. Being as incidental facemasking was eliminated in 2008 it was not a penalty.

That's ********. You can clearly see Rodgers' helmet being pulled over his eyes.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

The face mask wasn't a no-call. It was a no-penalty. The finger got stuck in it. There was no twist or turn or use of the face mask to tackle. Being as incidental facemasking was eliminated in 2008 it was not a penalty.

Not what I saw. I've seen pictures that specifically showed his helmet getting pulled down by the facemask. It wasn't the worst penalty I'd ever seen, but it most definitely should have been called.

 

[Matt]

It seems to me like the hand goes down with his body as he tackles Rodgers, which results in the helmet getting pulled down a little bit but not twisted or turned in the least or used in the tackle. I think its incidental. His hand just got caught up in the face mask and there is no penalty for incidental.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Well, I'd even bet money that 99% of facemask pulling or grabbing is incidental, as they don't mean to do it, but Rodgers's helmet was pulled down, could have resulted in injury, and should have been called. I don't really any evidence that could differentiate this one from other facemasking calls. No, it wasn't used to bring Rodgers down, but it yanked his helmet down over his eyes.

That's a terrible no-call. This entire weekend's officiators sucked, and pretty much gave the GB-ARI game away.

 

[StorminNorman]

I can't help but laugh at people who truly believe the GB-ARI game was "given away" by the no-call. It was given away because Aaron Rodgers missed a wide open pass, it was given away because the Cardinals scored over 50 points, it was given away because GB dug themselves into a huge, gigantic hole. It was given away because Kurt Warner threw more TD's than incompletions.

 

[omid17]

Jaguars reduce some ticket prices for 2010

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -The Jacksonville Jaguars have cut ticket prices for 2010, hoping to lure back some of the 17,000 season-ticket holders who didn't renew last year.
The Jaguars have reduced season tickets in two sections in the upper deck by $90, reduced season tickets in four sections in the lower bowl by $100, and reduced season tickets in two club sections by $300.
Jacksonville didn't increase tickets in the general bowl for the third consecutive season. The team also introduced two payment plans that allow fans to lock in 2010 prices for three years and make equal payments for those 30 games over 30 consecutive months, with no interest and no deposit.
The moves could help the Jaguars boost sales and avoid blackouts. Jacksonville blacked out nine of 10 home games in 2009.

 

[omid17]

I can't help but laugh at people who truly believe the GB-ARI game was "given away" by the no-call. It was given away because Aaron Rodgers missed a wide open pass, it was given away because the Cardinals scored over 50 points, it was given away because GB dug themselves into a huge, gigantic hole. It was given away because Kurt Warner threw more TD's than incompletions.

well said, that first play in OT would have ended it

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I can't help but laugh at people who truly believe the GB-ARI game was "given away" by the no-call. It was given away because Aaron Rodgers missed a wide open pass, it was given away because the Cardinals scored over 50 points, it was given away because GB dug themselves into a huge, gigantic hole. It was given away because Kurt Warner threw more TD's than incompletions.

Laugh all you want, but the reason I used the phrase, "gave away", is because that single play ended the game, due the NFL's ****** overtime rules, and the no-call not bringing that play back. And you say that Green Bay gave away all those touchdowns and completions, then how do you explain Green Bay coming back to match the Cardinals' score to send the game into overtime?

Bad call, and great game ended in a ****** way by ****** refs.

 

[StorminNorman]

Laugh all you want, but the reason I used the phrase, "gave away", is because that single play ended the game, due the NFL's ****** overtime rules, and the no-call not bringing that play back. And you say that Green Bay gave away all those touchdowns and completions, then how do you explain Green Bay coming back to match the Cardinals' score to send the game into overtime?

Bad call, and great game ended in a ****** way by ****** refs.

LOL the NFL's "***** overtime rules"? HAHAHA. The false "it's decided by a coin toss!" argument doesn't even apply. It's only "********" when your team doesn't win.

The Packers got their chance and fumbled. Rodgers fumble had NOTHING to do with the facemask. It would have been ******** for Arizona to have lost the fumble due to an inadvertent facemask that after after the ball left Rodgers hand.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

My team isn't even the Green Bay Packers, smart guy. So yeah, ****** overtime rules, and I never said "it's decided by a coin toss". Although the teams that get the ball first usually wind up winning anyway. So again, ****** overtime rules.

And whether or not the fumble was caused by the facemask is irrelevant. It was a penalty that should have been called. If Rodgers had fumbled and then someone had piledriven him into the turf, shouldn't an unnecessary roughness penalty be called? Thought so.

 

[BlackLantern]

people are assuming that if the facemask was called, Green Bay would have won...I don't agree with that,...and Id much rather watch Kurt Warner then Rogers any day of the week

 

[StorminNorman]

My team isn't even the Green Bay Packers, smart guy. So yeah, ****** overtime rules, and I never said "it's decided by a coin toss". Although the teams that get the ball first usually wind up winning anyway. So again, ****** overtime rules.

Again, a statement thrown out be people who don't know the facts. 7 of the 13 teams that won overtime games this year loss the coin toss.

And whether or not the fumble was caused by the facemask is irrelevant. It was a penalty that should have been called. If Rodgers had fumbled and then someone had piledriven him into the turf, shouldn't an unnecessary roughness penalty be called? Thought so.

Since piledriving Rodgers would have been a continuation of the contact that caused the tackle, no a penalty would not have been called. Now if the player unnecessarily driven Rodgers into the turf, then yes - a penalty would have been called. But comparing an inadvertent facemask to an intentional act is, of course, absurd.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

people are assuming that if the facemask was called, Green Bay would have won...I don't agree with that,...and Id much rather watch Kurt Warner then Rogers any day of the week

I never said that, I said the Cardinals were handed that victory because of the facemask. Either team very well could have won it, but it should not have been won in that fashion.

 

[StorminNorman]

I never said that, I said the Cardinals were handed that victory because of the facemask. Either team very well could have won it, but it should not have been won in that fashion.

But they were handed the victory because they forced a fumble and took it into the endzone.

If the facemask CAUSED the fumble, you would have a case. But it was not.

Plus all this *****ing about the officiating isn't fair to the guys that do the job either. When a QB fumbles the ball, the priority of the ref goes to the ball on the ground, not whether a tackle (which had already started) ended up with someone accidentally getting a finger in a facemask.