2009 NFL Thread

[SurfDUI]

....bad publicity can lead into sponsors dropping out and can also lead to protests outside your stadium which can lead into less people turning out for games

Vick has to find a spot first, It might take a while for that to happen.

I don't know, 'this is the NFL bay-buh' Arguably the biggest entertainment entity on the planet. Can a few dozen protesters shake up season ticket holders devotion to there team...they might try, but...

 

[BlackLantern]

part of me thinks its best to let sleeping dogs lie...no pun intended...the NFL has done fine minus the presence of Michael Vick....

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I have a bad feeling New England will end up with Mike Vick because Belicheck may really be just that much smarter than everyone else.

Sign him as a WR.

 

[StorminNorman]

part of me thinks its best to let sleeping dogs lie...no pun intended...the NFL has done fine minus the presence of Michael Vick....

I think the NFL needs to allow Michael Vick to play in this league. It needs that for PR purposes and, honestly, to maintain credibility.

Now no NFL team has to sign him, but the NFL gains from Michael Vick coming back.

 

[Excel]

They need to bring Vick to show their system for improving players caracter works.

 

[StorminNorman]

They need to bring Vick to show their system for improving players caracter works.

Exactly. They need to bring Vick to show they care more about their players than simply headlines and media stories. Vick needs the NFL, the NFL should be willing to give him a second chance.

Vick's no saint - but he was punished for being an NFL star during his trial. He received the largest sentence ever for the crime and many of his conspirators were free men after turning on Vick.

 

[BlackLantern]

Exactly. They need to bring Vick to show they care more about their players than simply headlines and media stories. Vick needs the NFL, the NFL should be willing to give him a second chance.

Vick's no saint - but he was punished for being an NFL star during his trial. He received the largest sentence ever for the crime and many of his conspirators were free men after turning on Vick.

They cut deals....it's the system, it sucks...but that's how it is. The NFL shouldn't have to hand hold its players either...HS and college are supposed to do that "character building" part. The NFL is a place of employment (a very public one) and you should have your **** together before you get there. The rookies have a very comprehensive "Do's and don'ts" program, mentoring with veteran players...they are given more than enough to know what they should and shouldn't be doing as NFL players.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If anyone can keep Vick out of trouble it's Belichick.

 

[StorminNorman]

They cut deals....it's the system, it sucks...but that's how it is.

Conspirators in murder don't typically walk free. If Vick's crimes are as heinous, as terrible, as inexcusable as people make them out to be (and I believe they are), the others should have been punished as well. Instead the trial was not about Dog Fighting - it was about punishing Michael Vick.

The NFL shouldn't have to hand hold its players either...HS and college are supposed to do that "character building" part. The NFL is a place of employment (a very public one) and you should have your **** together before you get there. The rookies have a very comprehensive "Do's and don'ts" program, mentoring with veteran players...they are given more than enough to know what they should and shouldn't be doing as NFL players.

You act as if the NFL would be doing Vick a good deed by letting him in, that's not the case. The NFL benefits from Vick being in the league just as Vick benefits from being in the league. Vick is a star. He is exciting. He makes people interested.

Again, the NFL would lose credibility by picking and choosing the players they gang up based on public pressure. Vick has been out of the league two years, thats longer than Pac Man, that's longer than Leonard Little, that's longer than any of the big name thugs we have seen. They need to stay consistent.

 

[StorminNorman]

If anyone can keep Vick out of trouble it's Belichick.

Or Marvin Lewis.

 

[SurfDUI]

If anyone can keep Vick out of trouble it's Belichick.

Belichick ain't nobody- John Wooden he aint'.
and there is no Randy Moss analogy here, Moss isn't T.O. and he sure wasn't Vick. He was always a team player and one of the best in the game. I don't belive the 'rules' are any different in New England vs. the COLTS vs. the Cowgirls. It's about enforcement.

Character issues are MAN issues, like BL said, this is a place of employment. Vick went to federal prison to 1 pay for his crimes, 2 to learn from it. NOW it's his hope that he gets to work again in the same capacity that he did before he left...which is still the athlete working in his favor. Let Surfer beat a dogsass, I'll be finding a different profession.

 

[BlackLantern]

You act as if the NFL would be doing Vick a good deed by letting him in, that's not the case. The NFL benefits from Vick being in the league just as Vick benefits from being in the league. Vick is a star. He is exciting. He makes people interested.

Again, the NFL would lose credibility by picking and choosing the players they gang up based on public pressure. Vick has been out of the league two years, thats longer than Pac Man, that's longer than Leonard Little, that's longer than any of the big name thugs we have seen. They need to stay consistent.

Different commissioner behind the desk....when Tagliabue was there, an NFL player could have killed a stripper during training camp and only been suspended 3 games (if that)

I'm all for setting a precedent and being consistent when it comes to player/personnel discipline...if anything I hope that everyone sees what has happened to Mr. Vick and takes the point

 

[StorminNorman]

Wait...Moss was always a team player? He wasn't a T.O.? The dude regularly took plays off! He left a game early!

I would rather have T.O. in my locker room than Randy Moss pre-New England.

 

[StorminNorman]

Different commissioner behind the desk....when Tagliabue was there, an NFL player could have killed a stripper during training camp and only been suspended 3 games (if that)

I'm all for setting a precedent and being consistent when it comes to player/personnel discipline...if anything I hope that everyone sees what has happened to Mr. Vick and takes the point

Pac Man wasn't.

I don't know how anyone at all, from any walk of life, from any neighborhood or any community can look at Michael Vick and then think it is a good idea to fight dogs. Few people will ever be as fortunate as Michael Vick was at the hight of his career - he owned a football team, he owned a city, he owned a sport. And even he could be destroyed by those actions.

 

[BlackLantern]

Pac Man wasn't.

I don't know how anyone at all, from any walk of life, from any neighborhood or any community can look at Michael Vick and then think it is a good idea to fight dogs. Few people will ever be as fortunate as Michael Vick was at the hight of his career - he owned a football team, he owned a city, he owned a sport. And even he could be destroyed by those actions.

Because anyone that does fight dogs:

1. doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with it

2. doesn't think they'll ever be caught

When I first heard the term 'rape stand' I wanted to punch a hole in my TV

 

[SurfDUI]

Wait...Moss was always a team player?

I wouldn't let 2 cut my grass..

Randy in the past has not ran a route at full speed at times. O.K.
but he's still nearly single handidly got the Vikings to the Championship game. Still holds wide out records in Minn. and for the position. and N.E. wouldn't have got David Tyree'd nearly lossless without his production. And I've seen him take off in his N.E. stay.

I don't know why Moss gets the hate, he's the best weapon in the game, and he only gets that over Reggie Wayne

cause of the height.

 

[Excel]

Vick wont need Bill to teach him whats up, this guy has been in JAIL, and had a clean history before this incident where he essentially got ****ed over by still chilling with his homies from the ghetto when he was younger (they ran the dog fighting for the most part, and are the ones who instantly turned on him). If anybody really thinks Mike Vick is gonna misbehave once he gets back into the NFL...I dunno what to say, except Id say odda are about 100000000 to 1 against you.

I wouldn't let 2 cut my grass..

Randy in the past has not ran a route at full speed at times. O.K.
but he's still nearly single handidly got the Vikings to the Championship game. Still holds wide out records in Minn. and for the position. and N.E. wouldn't have got David Tyree'd nearly lossless without his production. And I've seen him take off in his N.E. stay.

I don't know why Moss gets the hate, he's the best weapon in the game, and he only gets that over Reggie Wayne

cause of the height.

Word, and realy, EVERY wr in the game takes place off because if not, they would be incredibly gassed by the 3rd q, espec. Moss. who almost always runs deep routes, even if half of them are dummy routes or not. Doing a full speed 50 yard sprint every other play with Moss would be idiotic.

The whole idea behind it is it does 2 things.
1. Gives Moss an advantage on unsuspecting db's who think he is just doing another dummy route on stunts or play actions bombs.
2. Lets Randy catch his breathe so when he the play is actually to him, hes ready to go.

Granted, back when he was a rook Moss had a seemingly endless supply of energy which he doesnt have now, but its unfair to get on his back over things like that.

 

[Excel]

I would rather have T.O. in my locker room than Randy Moss pre-New England.

I think the T.O. hate right now is ridiculousy overrated, but that doesnt make any sense. From literally every account Moss never problems with teams AT ALL...Owens time in San Fran and Phily really speaks for itself. Both have matured alot imo, however Owens back in the day was MUCH worse than Moss, I dont see thats even arguable. Owens was calling his QB gay or throwing them under the bus, starting fist fights in the locker room...I cant think of a specific time Moss ever had a problem with anybody on his team, his stuff was always away from the field ala squirting a (terrible) ref with a water bottle lmao and driving with a meter maid on his car dry but those things are more "dumb" than "team destroying"...I think Moss's record in terms of success really speaks for itself if your gonna talk about how they fit in with team chemistry.

The one season Moss was truly out of his element was 2006, and the entire team was...cannot say the same for Owens on the multiple seasons hes been that way.

 

[BlackLantern]

TO is now in Buffalo...that's punishment enough...for the first time in his career he is not on a marquis team and will learn how the other half lives

 

[Dr. Evil]

49ers sign CB Dre Bly

 

[Excel]

TO is now in Buffalo...that's punishment enough...for the first time in his career he is not on a marquis team and will learn how the other half lives

That Im not so sure about either.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

If Trent Edwards plays like he did in the first 5 games last season, the Bills WILL make the playoffs.

 

[Kaiser]

Or Marvin Lewis.

I know this is a joke but there is a fill in sports talk show host here that wants the Bengals to sign him.... The guy is a total tool and says some of the dumbest things.

 

[Excel]

If Trent Edwards plays like he did in the first 5 games last season, the Bills WILL make the playoffs.

Owens-Evans combo is honestly a top 5 wr combo; no doubt itll oen things up for Marshawn and Jackson...Buffalo will be a fun team to watch this season, no doubt about it.

 

[StorminNorman]

Because anyone that does fight dogs:

1. doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with it

2. doesn't think they'll ever be caught

When I first heard the term 'rape stand' I wanted to punch a hole in my TV

Was that the belief before Mike Vick? Absolutely.

Now though? I really am not sure. Again, I think the fall of Michael Vick would have to be a gigantic wakeup call to anyone in the industry.