2009 NFL Thread

[BlackLantern]

keep the NFL in AMERICA dammit...not those soccer luvin' tea drinkers

 

[Erzengel]

How many they have?

Do you follow the NFL?

 

[Immortalfire]

Richard Seymour has guaranteed (there's that word again), the Raiders will make the playoffs

 

[Dark Donnie]

most of the teams in major metropolitan cities have constant sellouts even if the team sucks (giants, vikings, steelers, etc)....even Philly...what else is there really to do besides go to the game??

fans in LA aren't like that

Yeah Philly is a sell out every night...not to mention the waiting list for season tickets which is 60,000.

 

[That-Guy]

Richard Seymour has guaranteed (there's that word again), the Raiders will make the playoffs

Yeah, he's looking forward to facing the Rams in the Super Bowl this year.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

keep the NFL in AMERICA dammit...not those soccer luvin' tea drinkers

Hey, our football the players actually use their feet.

Our football has been around hundreds of years, your "foot" ball hasn't even been around a hundred.

But setting up an NFL franchise outside of America is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Poverty-ball?

Err, I mean soccer?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No FOOTball. You know that strange sport where the people who play it use their feet with an actual ball? You know a round thing? A sphere?

 

[StorminNorman]

Hey, our football the players actually use their feet.

Our football has been around hundreds of years, your "foot" ball hasn't even been around a hundred.

But setting up an NFL franchise outside of America is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

American Football has been around for well over a hundred years.

 

[CELTICPRED]

No FOOTball. You know that strange sport where the people who play it use their feet with an actual ball? You know a round thing? A sphere?

Oh, you're talking about kickball.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well no where near as long as FOOTball.

But that's besides the point, I love both "footballs". And setting up an NFL team outside of America is ridiculous.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh, you're talking about kick ball.

So let's rename grid iron hand ball if you wanna play that game.

It's a shame 90% of the planet recognizes "soccer" as football.

 

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, he's looking forward to facing the Rams in the Super Bowl this year.

Best Super Bowl ever

 

[Raiden]

and LA is crowded

-UCLA
-USC - Pete Carroll has built a dynasty
-Dodgers - an institution
-Lakers - rings much?
-Clippers - some LA fans are masochists
-Angels - short drive away

Id sooner see the NFL in a city that hasn't had an NFL team before

First of all, LA had supported two football teams for a long time (and Rams were in LA since 1946 until 1994), so your argument that LA can't support a team with enough fans' attendance is hogwash. Angels are actually located in Anaheim, and there aren't that many Clippers fans because of Lakers, so it's not like there is no room for football fans. Lastly, you want to see NFL in a city that hasn't had a NFL team before, are you referring to Jacksonville Jags? How's that move working out for NFL?

NFL will eventually happen in LA, because LA wants it, NFL wants it, and it's better for the league to have presence in the #2 market in the nation. New York, the #1 market in the nation, has 2 MLB teams, 2 NFL teams, and 2 NHL teams. They have lost 2 MLB teams but were given another (Mets), so why shouldn't we get another NFL team to compensate?

 

[Dr. Evil]

An ESPN article on "Senor Guapo" in Oakland:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&page=hotread6/JaMarcusRussell

 

[That-Guy]

Best Super Bowl ever

They should have an annual Stupor Bowl and the end of the season where the two worst teams compete. That would be awesome. How great would it have been to see the 0-16 Lions take on the 2-14 Chiefs at the end of last year?

 

[Immortalfire]

An ESPN article on "Senor Guapo" in Oakland:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&page=hotread6/JaMarcusRussell

The picture of Al at the bottom is dang scary

 

[Erzengel]

NFL will eventually happen in LA, because LA wants it, NFL wants it, and it's better for the league to have presence in the #2 market in the nation. New York, the #1 market in the nation, has 2 MLB teams, 2 NFL teams, and 2 NHL teams. They have lost 2 MLB teams but were given another (Mets), so why shouldn't we get another NFL team to compensate?

Like BL said, try getting season tickets to Giants/Jets, Eagles, etc. You're on a list for years. Even the Knicks who have sucked for almost a decade, fans still refuse to give up their season tickets in case they get better.

The Raiders moved to Oakland because Al Davis wanted to move them out of the dangerous neighborhood where they were playing. Fine.

The Rams's fans were non-existent towards the end when they were in LA.

My question and it's not to be confrontational but if that was 15 years ago and they blamed a recession of why they couldn't get a new stadium in LA, once the shine has come off a new LA team, BL has a point unless they're good LA has a history of abandoning their team, what happens if the LA team just isn't competitive?

 

[Raiden]

An ESPN article on "Senor Guapo" in Oakland:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&page=hotread6/JaMarcusRussell

This is the reason why Raiders will not make the playoff (as boldly Seymour predicted), and will never become a force in NFL again as long Al Davis is calling all the shots. Russell really has no business starting for the Raiders, aside from Davis' stubborness to see his #1 overall pick on the field.

 

[That-Guy]

Any picture of Al is dang scary

Fixed. t:

 

[Raiden]

Like BL said, try getting season tickets to Giants/Jets, Eagles, etc. You're on a list for years. Even the Knicks who have sucked for almost a decade, fans still refuse to give up their season tickets in case they get better.

The Raiders moved to Oakland because Al Davis wanted to move them out of the dangerous neighborhood where they were playing. Fine.

The Rams's fans were non-existent towards the end when they were in LA.

My question and it's not to be confrontational but if that was 15 years ago and they blamed a recession of why they couldn't get a new stadium in LA, once the shine has come off a new LA team, BL has a point unless they're good LA has a history of abandoning their team, what happens if the LA team just isn't competitive?

One of the main reason why Rams left was because they could not secure a new stadium in the LA area (which will be solved by this new stadium in the City of Industry). Sure, the fans' interest had waned due to their decline as a competitive football team, but Rams were in LA from '46 to '94 and they have had some lean years inbetween, so to say that LA fans will abandon their team is rather ridiculous. Besides, you only mentioned some of the cities that have franatical fans who'd sellout all the home games, but that's not true elsewhere in the league; many teams have had poor attendance this year, including the Jaguars, that's why NFL has been having blackout games. You make it sound like it's a problem only LA has. If LA were such a terrible city for sports teams, we won't have so many teams from different sports and leagues who enjoy good fanbase for many years here.

 

[Erzengel]

Well that's a point in argument. There are some cities that are baseball or football teams. And I think the point wasn't necessarily that LA was a bad place for sports but "maybe" a bad place for football.

And right now, the Rams are having a rough time because of their recent performance. In the end, a team is going to go where a stadium can be built for them.

Which is why the Dodgers and Giants left NY. The Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley wanted to keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn but Robert Moses the NYC Construction Coordinator wanted to move them to Queens. In the end, O'Malley moved to LA but needed another team and since Horace Stoneham was having trouble acquiring a new stadium for the Giants it was an easy decision for them.

But such a comparison shouldn't be used to validate a team coming to LA. Back then California didn't have a MLB team. Bringing 2 teams to a city, even a state that hasn't had one before is one thing and replacing one of those teams because the other one didn't want to go to that stadium . Bringing a team to a city that's had 2 and to a state that has currently 3 teams is another.

 

[Raiden]

Well that's a point in argument. There are some cities that are baseball or football teams. And I think the point wasn't necessarily that LA was a bad place for sports but "maybe" a bad place for football.

And right now, the Rams are having a rough time because of their recent performance. In the end, a team is going to go where a stadium can be built for them.

Which is why the Dodgers and Giants left NY. The Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley wanted to keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn but Robert Moses the NYC Construction Coordinator wanted to move them to Queens. In the end, O'Malley moved to LA but needed another team and since Horace Stoneham was having trouble acquiring a new stadium for the Giants it was an easy decision for them.

But such a comparison shouldn't be used to validate a team coming to LA. Back then California didn't have a MLB team. Bringing 2 teams to a city, even a state that hasn't had one before is one thing and replacing one of those teams because the other one didn't want to go to that stadium . Bringing a team to a city that's had 2 and to a state that has currently 3 teams is another.

LA is *not* a bad city for football, just because two teams left (one due to Al Davis, and another because of stadium issue and Georgia Frontiere wanted to relocate the team to her hometown). USC Trojans and UCLA Bruins' football games both have very good attendance, and if you live here you'll see many cars on the freeway sporting NFL stickers. The fact that LA has had a history of hosting NFL teams should give them better credibility than another city that had no prior record of having a team (such as Jacksonville). Other cities like Houston, Cleveland, St. Louis, and Baltimore all have lost NFL teams in the past, but got another team in return. I just don't see why LA should be excluded, esp. since their #2 market in the nation status will mean more money to the league, and in the end everybody wins.

 

[Raiden]

Schwarzenegger signs bill giving boost to NFL stadium plans in San Gabriel Valley

By no means this means the process is finalized, as there is still some hurdles ahead, but this is a huge step toward building a stadium in LA.

 

[BlackLantern]

Hey, our football the players actually use their feet.

Our football has been around hundreds of years, your "foot" ball hasn't even been around a hundred.

But setting up an NFL franchise outside of America is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

we agree

yay