2011/2012 NBA Thread: Greatness & Awesomeness

[Docker2.0]

You riding solo tonight!

Leave me alone!!!

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, the Grizz has got to win Game 8 and force a Game 9.

 

[BatSpider]

I can't believe the Clippers bench once again outplayed the Grizz again. And in a Game 7.

 

[L.A.]

Everyone sure is quite now lol

 

[Darthphere]

Mostly because no one really cares if I'm being honest.

 

[runawayboulder]

Heh, the Heat are behind at halftime for the first time this season and the ABC guys are already guessing if they're not a good team and just a bunch of good players. I'm hearing random things tossed out there like "they're not as good as last year" and "they better win against the Pacers". SMH.....

 

[Darthphere]

I think they lose this game honestly. For some reason, teams never do well on MVP trophy presentation day.

 

[JaD]

Just realized there could be 2 teams from LA in the WCF this season... smh.

 

[Docker2.0]

Didn't realize how deep Indiana is. The entire front line was in foul trouble but they didn't miss one beat.

 

[Hound55]

Look at the Lakers other shooters besides Kobe's averages this season and tell me with a straight face he's better off distributing it more frequently. One game that shows a clear exception rather then the rule and Kobe should be kicking it out to MWP and Blake all the time, give me a break.

One of the hardest things to do is shoot when you're frozen off the ball, and more often than not Kobe attempts to produce in isolation of his team which does just that... There's a reason shooting specialists are still able to stick around in the NBA despite most of them not being able to play a lick of defence. Because filling that role as a spot up guy when you don't get the flow of the offence is not easy. Derek Fisher was a f***ing saint.

It's not just "kick it out to Blake all the time", he should be playing within the flow of the offence so he doesn't f*** with everyone else's game.

I'd say he's been the biggest reason for Blake being fairly mediocre since he left the Blazers...

The "exception to the rule" here is Kobe not playing like an a**hole, not that the guys around him can actually play.

Bynum & Gasol starting to play well has nothing to do with Kobe either. It's their own responsibility to get themselves into the game and if you don't you're not going to get the ball. That simple.

Fair point, I suppose Bynum playing out of his skin in Kobe's absence was a coincedence as well... He just decided to get himself into the game all of a sudden rather than some prick limiting his opportunities...

Ohh man I can't believe this. If you blame Kobe for the Lakers problem you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. The Lakers bench is absolutely horrible when it comes to scoring. Shooting percentage and points wise they were one of the worst in the league. Nineteen points from Blake doesn't change this. Harden scores nineteen points no problem. Odom would get 15+ every game no problem. The Lakers have no true options on the bench and one game doesn't change that. An exception doesn't create a rule.

Your bench doesn't play independent of Kobe... This is not hockey, it's not like they're coming out there as some second line and tanking. A lot of your bench guys get frozen off the ball as well.

Nineteen points doesn't change it, but it shows you what he's capable of when his shooting guard actually plays within the offence and doesn't dictate the flow, preventing him from getting the rhythm of the game.

 

[Darthphere]

Didn't realize how deep Indiana is. The entire front line was in foul trouble but they didn't miss one beat.

Pacers are going to be tough. I can see this going 7.

 

[Hound55]

Pacers are gritty and take a fair bit to put down for a lot of teams this time of year.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

Just realized there could be 2 teams from LA in the WCF this season... smh.

that possibility exists at the beginning of every season

 

[Hound55]

that possibility exists at the beginning of every season

And normally ends 50 games in when the Clippers are a mathematical impossibility of making the playoffs...

 

[Docker2.0]

One of the hardest things to do is shoot when you're frozen off the ball, and more often than not Kobe attempts to produce in isolation of his team which does just that... There's a reason shooting specialists are still able to stick around in the NBA despite most of them not being able to play a lick of defence. Because filling that role as a spot up guy when you don't get the flow of the offence is not easy. Derek Fisher was a f***ing saint.

It's not just "kick it out to Blake all the time", he should be playing within the flow of the offence so he doesn't f*** with everyone else's game.

I'd say he's been the biggest reason for Blake being fairly mediocre since he left the Blazers...

The "exception to the rule" here is Kobe not playing like an a**hole, not that the guys around him can actually play.

Fair point, I suppose Bynum playing out of his skin in Kobe's absence was a coincedence as well... He just decided to get himself into the game all of a sudden rather than some prick limiting his opportunities...


Your bench doesn't play independent of Kobe... This is not hockey, it's not like they're coming out there as some second line and tanking. A lot of your bench guys get frozen off the ball as well.

Nineteen points doesn't change it, but it shows you what he's capable of when his shooting guard actually plays within the offence and doesn't dictate the flow, preventing him from getting the rhythm of the game.

OMG!! You better muthaducking preach!!! I've agree 100000% but didn't know how to say it! You are the man!.........second only to Anubis.

 

[Docker2.0]

Pacers are going to be tough. I can see this going 7.

Agreed. They play hard on both ends. It amazes me how many analyst picked this to go 5 games max.

 

[JaD]

that possibility exists at the beginning of every season

It was never a reality until CP3 came along I suppose.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Pacers are going to be tough. I can see this going 7.

See it going 6

 

[Scrandy Randy]

One of the hardest things to do is shoot when you're frozen off the ball, and more often than not Kobe attempts to produce in isolation of his team which does just that... There's a reason shooting specialists are still able to stick around in the NBA despite most of them not being able to play a lick of defence. Because filling that role as a spot up guy when you don't get the flow of the offence is not easy. Derek Fisher was a f***ing saint.

It's not just "kick it out to Blake all the time", he should be playing within the flow of the offence so he doesn't f*** with everyone else's game.

I'd say he's been the biggest reason for Blake being fairly mediocre since he left the Blazers...

The "exception to the rule" here is Kobe not playing like an a**hole, not that the guys around him can actually play.

Blake has always been mediocre. No the exception to the rule is Blake and MWP actually making shots. You're using a sample size of one game to make a point when Blake, MWP, and the rest of the Lakers shooters/bench were miserable and among the worst in the league in every statistic. That's a sample size of what 60+ games? But no this one game proves Kobe's at fault. Those 60+ regular season games, just a fluke. Get in the "flow" Kobe!

Fair point, I suppose Bynum playing out of his skin in Kobe's absence was a coincedence as well... He just decided to get himself into the game all of a sudden rather than some prick limiting his opportunities...

Bynum has also played out of his skin with Kobe in the game and like an idiot with him out of the game. That's Bynum being a petulant little kid who decides when he wants to try not Kobe.

If you think Kobe's at fault you honestly don't know what you're talking about. One of the best players to ever play the game and he's at fault for not giving the ball to some of the worst shooters in the league. What a joke.

 

[Doc Samson]

Blake has always been mediocre. No the exception to the rule is Blake and MWP actually making shots. You're using a sample size of one game to make a point when Blake, MWP, and the rest of the Lakers shooters/bench were miserable and among the worst in the league in every statistic. That's a sample size of what 60+ games? But no this one game proves Kobe's at fault. Those 60+ regular season games, just a fluke. Get in the "flow" Kobe!


Bynum has also played out of his skin with Kobe in the game and like an idiot with him out of the game. That's Bynum being a petulant little kid who decides when he wants to try not Kobe.

If you think Kobe's at fault you honestly don't know what you're talking about. One of the best players to ever play the game and he's at fault for not giving the ball to some of the worst shooters in the league. What a joke.

Your wasting your time. Anybody who doesn't follow the Lakers and only sees the National games is really unqualified for the discussion. People are still using the same tired critiques that Shaq formulated to take attention away from some of his bogus episodes.

Kobe's been operating the same since day one, when guys show effort and MAKE SHOTS, he'll get them the ball. But passing to wide open "shooters" who continually miss makes no sense, that's why Lebron is ring-less right now. There's countless games this season where Bynum and/or Gasol didn't show up, and they admit this themselves all the time.

Even more than that, Metta, Blake, Barnes, Fisher when he was there this season & Sessions now, routinely, miss wide open shots. Not some of the time. All of the time. If I felt like it, I could go through all these old threads and re-post the various times I've pointed this out, or locate the stats after damn near every game. But your also debating with Knicks fans, so...

 

[Docker2.0]

Doc you are kind of sounding like a Kobe fanatic, the same thing you are accusing others of being but the other direction. Kobe is a great player, top 3 in fact but the truth is he has 2 skilled 7 footer and shuts them out of the offense. Hound summed it up perfectly.

 

[Doc Samson]

Doc you are kind of sounding like a Kobe fanatic, the same thing you are accusing others of being but the other direction. Kobe is a great player, top 3 in fact but the truth is he has 2 skilled 7 footer and shuts them out of the offense. Hound summed it up perfectly.

No doubt I love Kobe, never ashamed to admit that, but Javale Mcgee wasn't getting plays called for him when he was getting 20+ pts and 10+ rebounds. He was just playing harder then both of them, period. As a big man, your main job is to rebound, control the paint and block shots. That's what they can do every single night. What they should be doing. Scoring points is secondary.

On top of that, for 90% of the season, Mike Brown was calling set plays for Kobe to get the ball, and its the main reason for that players only meeting they had, it wasn't just Kobe. Mike Brown is also the one who told Pau to get out of the paint and linger around the perimeter, how's that Kobe's problem?

 

[Docker2.0]

Well Doc, Mcgee doesn't have a game. He's mostly an energy player. Bynum is arguably the best big man in the game and Gasol is one of the best post big man in the game. Kobe is closer to being on the way out than in so you have to start that transition over to Bynum but he seems to be stunting his growth. It's honestly why I think Bynum acts out like he does at times.

 

[Doc Samson]

Well Doc, Mcgee doesn't have a game. He's mostly an energy player. Bynum is arguably the best big man in the game and Gasol is one of the best post big man in the game. Kobe is closer to being on the way out than in so you have to start that transition over to Bynum but he seems to be stunting his growth. It's honestly why I think Bynum acts out like he does at times.

That's my point, he doesn't have a game but he plays hard, and as a big man, that's all it takes. Bynum had his best year this year, if anything, he benefits from playing with Kobe because if he didn't, he'd be getting double teamed every time he touched the ball, and he can't handle it now as it is. On top of that, nobody outside of Kobe is a consistent perimeter threat, so teams don't have any motivation to stop doing it unless Kobe makes them pay for it.

Dwight Howard makes that whole Magic team work by handling double teams and making the right play out of it. Every big man in the history of the NBA that was worth his weight had that skill, and Bynum doesn't. Simple. So what are they supposed to do, keep forcing it down to him and watch him travel or try to force a shot through it? All he has to do is offensive rebound and he'll score just from that, he's stunting his own growth by showing a weak mentality and no character.

 

[Anubis]

Look, can all agree that Kobe is a f**kn' gunn and Bynum and Gasol are p***ies with no heart?