2011 NFL Thread: The Final Four

[Denny67]

I've been a 49ers fan a long time & if there was a chance to get an upgrade or even Luck to play for them, I'd do it in a heartbeat. In my opinion, Smith still has more to prove to me.

My stance on Smith has always been that he is a talented, athletic and smart guy. I am going to support him and not going to give up on him until he is afforded the opertunity to play in the same system for a few years. It is something that almost every other QB has as a given.

Smith, Campbell and now Bradford are playing uphill with revolving playbooks. Mostly because media and fans who demand microwave sucess have too much influence on owners who now fire coaches on a hair trigger.

 

[kane9321]

I've been a 49ers fan a long time & if there was a chance to get an upgrade or even Luck to play for them, I'd do it in a heartbeat. In my opinion, Smith still has more to prove to me.

What does need to prove? He's done everything right this season

 

[Rowsdower!]

Should preserving his confidence go before the rest of the team's welfare? Should they at least get a solid backup? Like someone who can take the reigns should Smith bust? Or do you feel he's earned a full season regardless of what happens next year?

It really gets tricky going into next year with the Niners and Smith. I believe that he is in the last year of his contract. After this season, and particularly after this last game, committing to him seems logicial but its always a risk when a QB has really only had one good season. With new offensive scheming, there's always the chance that other teams didn't know how to prepare for the Niners this season. We see the same thing happen with rookie QBs and mystery journeymen from time-to-time. Even Derek Anderson made a Pro-Bowl, and the Broncos running a dumbed-down offense with a horrible QB allowed them to make it into the post season so ESPN could Tebone us for couple more weeks.

Smith is an interesting case because while there has been plenty of film on him over the past few years, it has been primarily been of him working under bad OCs and HCs. The question is, will defenses be able to figure him out completely next season, under Harbaugh?

I'm not saying any of this to put Smith down; I think he's been solid this whole year (even if it has been in a more limited role than many QBs) and he certainly deserves credit for winning that game the other day. But the Niners certainly should consider the previous seasons when debating whether they should sign him to a long-term deal.

 

[marcvader]

Just one season none the less.

 

[Matt]

It really gets tricky going into next year with the Niners and Smith. I believe that he is in the last year of his contract. After this season, and particularly after this last game, committing to him seems logicial but its always a risk when a QB has really only had one good season. With new offensive scheming, there's always the chance that other teams didn't know how to prepare for the Niners this season. We see the same thing happen with rookie QBs and mystery journeymen from time-to-time. Even Derek Anderson made a Pro-Bowl, and the Broncos running a dumbed-down offense with a horrible QB allowed them to make it into the post season so ESPN could Tebone us for couple more weeks.

Smith is an interesting case because while there has been plenty of film on him over the past few years, it has been primarily been of him working under bad OCs and HCs. The question is, will defenses be able to figure him out completely next season, under Harbaugh?

I'm not saying any of this to put Smith down; I think he's been solid this whole year (even if it has been in a more limited role than many QBs) and he certainly deserves credit for winning that game the other day. But the Niners certainly should consider the previous seasons when debating whether they should sign him to a long-term deal.

I agree. The smart thing to do would be to offer him a two or three year contract. His agent probably would get huffy and shop him around if they offered him that, but I don't think anyone else would take him....at least not as a starter. To do what the Eagles did with Michael Vick and give him a long term, expensive contract wouldn't be smart, IMO.

Where the Niners should bend when attempting to get him to sign a short term contract is incentive bonuses. X amount for hitting certain milestones. That way, if he is a bust, no problem, they didn't spend much or make a long term investment. If he is successful, then they can lock him down and he will still get paid.

 

[kane9321]

My stance on Smith has always been that he is a talented, athletic and smart guy. I am going to support him and not going to give up on him until he is afforded the opertunity to play in the same system for a few years. It is something that almost every other QB has as a given.

Smith, Campbell and now Bradford are playing uphill with revolving playbooks. Mostly because media and fans who demand microwave sucess have too much influence on owners who now fire coaches on a hair trigger.

I'm gonna lose my 49er card....but i've been rooting for jason campbell to do well for years...just like alex..jason's been put through the ringer and finally with the raiders he was doing well..until that injury

 

[kane9321]

I agree. The smart thing to do would be to offer him a two or three year contract. His agent probably would get huffy and shop him around if they offered him that, but I don't think anyone else would take him....at least not as a starter. To do what the Eagles did with Michael Vick and give him a long term, expensive contract wouldn't be smart, IMO.

Where the Niners should bend when attempting to get him to sign a short term contract is incentive bonuses. X amount for hitting certain milestones. That way, if he is a bust, no problem, they didn't spend much or make a long term investment. If he is successful, then they can lock him down and he will still get paid.

Plain and simple..a 3 yr deal with bonuses..yadda yadda. His agent hopefully isnt a dumbass and wants to break the bank. Matt, he had offers from 5 different teams this season but harbaugh convinced him to stay put. Alex said he wanted to finish what he started here.

 

[marcvader]

One thing that ruins many young qb's coming out of college is that they get drafted into a system that doesn't fit them and are expected to be as successful as they were in college. Teams always draft for the best talent when they should draft the best fit for their system. Same thing goes for backup qb's who play great for their team then suck when they change teams. Why? Because they are suddenly thrust into a new system and are expected to be the same qb. Alex Smith has finally found a coach and system that best suites him and is now successful.

 

[Matt]

Plain and simple..a 3 yr deal with bonuses..yadda yadda. His agent hopefully isnt a dumbass and wants to break the bank. Matt, he had offers from 5 different teams this season but harbaugh convinced him to stay put. Alex said he wanted to finish what he started here.

It doesn't surprise me that he is getting offers. The question is, would he start or be a high level backup? The only team that I could see giving him an offer to START is Seattle. And that is only if Washington and Cleveland passes on RG3 (and even then, if Cleveland were to draft him, that would put Colt McCoy on the market and he is a younger, cheaper version of Alex Smith and I could see Seattle's front office jumping on that). So yeah, getting offers and offers to start are two different things.

 

[Matt]

One thing that ruins many young qb's coming out of college is that they get drafted into a system that doesn't fit them and are expected to be as successful as they were in college. Teams always draft for the best talent when they should draft the best fit for their system. Same thing goes for backup qb's who play great for their team then suck when they change teams. Why? Because they are suddenly thrust into a new system and are expected to be the same qb. Alex Smith has finally found a coach and system that best suites him and is now successful.

A system that limits him to 3,000 yards and 18 TDs? The system is working AROUND him, not WITH him. That isn't a long term answer. But by all means San Fran, don't learn from the mistakes of New York, Denver and countless other teams.

 

[Darthphere]

A system that limits him to 3,000 yards and 18 TDs? The system is working AROUND him, not WITH him. That isn't a long term answer. But by all means San Fran, don't learn from the mistakes of New York, Denver and countless other teams.

But, something else to think about is the lockout. If he stays with the 49ers, Harbaugh would have a full off season to work with him and get him better integrated in the offense. Not saying he would put up 5,000 yard 35 TD seasons but I can see him becoming a bigger part in the offense with a full off season to work with.

 

[Matt]

But, something else to think about is the lockout. If he stays with the 49ers, Harbaugh would have a full off season to work with him and get him better integrated in the offense. Not saying he would put up 5,000 yard 35 TD seasons but I can see him becoming a bigger part in the offense with a full off season to work with.

Aren't these the same things people have been saying about Sanchez for the past three years until it blew up in their faces?

 

[marcvader]

I think Smith was the better talent with more potential coming out of college than Sanchez ever was.

 

[kane9321]

one thing that ruins many young qb's coming out of college is that they get drafted into a system that doesn't fit them and are expected to be as successful as they were in college. Teams always draft for the best talent when they should draft the best fit for their system. Same thing goes for backup qb's who play great for their team then suck when they change teams. Why? Because they are suddenly thrust into a new system and are expected to be the same qb. Alex smith has finally found a coach and system that best suites him and is now successful.

so much truth

 

[Darthphere]

Aren't these the same things people have been saying about Sanchez for the past three years until it blew up in their faces?

He really doesn't have the same excuses Alex Smith has though. I also think Sanchez had no business being drafted in the 1st round or coming out of college after one year as a starter but hey, what do I know.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I agree. The smart thing to do would be to offer him a two or three year contract. His agent probably would get huffy and shop him around if they offered him that, but I don't think anyone else would take him....at least not as a starter. To do what the Eagles did with Michael Vick and give him a long term, expensive contract wouldn't be smart, IMO.

Where the Niners should bend when attempting to get him to sign a short term contract is incentive bonuses. X amount for hitting certain milestones. That way, if he is a bust, no problem, they didn't spend much or make a long term investment. If he is successful, then they can lock him down and he will still get paid.

Yeah, that does make the most sense. He would be stupid to jump ship to another team. The big argument in Smith's favor year-after-year has been that he's had no consistency with his coaching staff. To leave after working with with a staff that he's had success with would be foolish.

However, given the dearth of talent at QB on so many teams around the league, I could see some team offering him a sweet deal.

Ring. Ring. Ring.

Alex Smith: Hello?

Dan Snyder: Hi, Alex? Hey, it's Dan! Dan Snyder! Congrats on all your success this year in San Fran!

Smith: Thank you very much, Mr. Snyder. Yeah, I can hardly believe it myself sometimes. So, what can I do for you?

Snyder: Just curious... you're in the last year of your contract, right? The Niners offered you anything new yet?

Smith: Well, we've been discussing a two-year deal with some incentives based on performance.

Snyder: Uh huh. Hmmm. Sounds a bit like chump change to me, don't ya think?

Smith: Well... look, even I'll admit that I've had a few bad years here. Now that we've got something that works, if we can keep it going...

Snyder: Yeah, yeah, yeah. How does a $178 million, Eight-year deal sound?!!

Smith: Uh... well, I mean... um...

Snyder: Okay, $250 million, 10 years! And your own private yacht!

Smith: Wow. Geez... That's really awesome, thank you. But...

Snyder: Okay, final offer. $300 million, 15 years, the yacht, a Ferrari and a team of rabid lawyers willing to sue anyone in the Washington sports media who dares to talk sh** on you!

Smith: Listen, Mr. Snyder. I really appreciate it. I do. That's a very generous offer. But signing that deal would mean I'd be the quarterback of the Redskins. I mean... seriously, the Redskins. It would mean having to deal with... um... you. I think I'd rather join the UFL than subject myself to that.

 

[kane9321]

Aren't these the same things people have been saying about Sanchez for the past three years until it blew up in their faces?

LOL, There was a reason why pete carroll said..he wasnt ready for the nfl

 

[Rowsdower!]

LOL, There was a reason why pete carroll said..he wasnt ready for the nfl

Yeah, but...

There was a reason why Pete Carrol made an NFLN Top Ten list of coachest that weren't ready for the NFL.

 

[marvelman2006]

I cant wait to see my Ravens take on brady. The patriots arent ready for this nasty sh$$ we got cooking. I was alos dead on about the packers game.

 

[Immortalfire]

Snyder: Yeah, yeah, yeah. How does a $178 million, Eight-year deal sound?!!

Smith: Uh... well, I mean... um...

Snyder: Okay, $250 million, 10 years! And your own private yacht!

Smith: Wow. Geez... That's really awesome, thank you. But...

Snyder: Okay, final offer. $300 million, 15 years, the yacht, a Ferrari and a team of rabid lawyers willing to sue anyone in the Washington sports media who dares to talk sh** on you!

Smith: Listen, Mr. Snyder. I really appreciate it. I do. That's a very generous offer. But signing that deal would mean I'd be the quarterback of the Redskins. I mean... seriously, the Redskins. It would mean having to deal with... um... you. I think I'd rather join the UFL than subject myself to that.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I cant wait to see my Ravens take on brady. The patriots arent ready for this nasty sh$$ we got cooking. I was alos dead on about the packers game.

Maybe so, but don't forget that your offense hasn't been posting big numbers lately. If Brady gets a read on your defense, it could be lights out.

 

[Raiden]

As much I hate the Pats, I really don't think Ravens can stop Brady & their high-octane offense, even with their powerful defense and stellar running attacks. If this game will be played at Baltimore, it may lean favorably to the Ravens, but since it's at NE I think ultimately Pats will prevail. I do think the game will be close, though.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Snyder: Okay, Alex. You drive a hard bargain. Final, final offer. $350 million; 20 years to life; the yacht; the Ferrari; the lawyers; a private jet; a 15 percent stake in FedEx field parking, which pulls in $8.7 billion over the course of the regular season; your own private brothel; 15 armed security guards posted around your house who have been trained to shoot reporters on sight; meals for life at Ben's Chili Bowl; a $5 million condo in Bethesda; two tickets to next year's Super Bowl and a free oil change at Jiffy Lube!

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

This is tremendous...and sad...in so many ways....

Stop Whatever You’re Doing, And Watch This Sad Drunk Lady Cry About The Packers Loss



You told me to do the sparkles!!!!

 

[Rowsdower!]

LMAO! I'm sending that to this diehard Packers fan I know RIGHT NOW.