2011 NFL Thread: The Lazarus Season - Part 2

[Hound55]

He's putting fear into QBs that play him, you know, just like alot of great defensive players have for I dunno, decades. Ya know, before they started trying to put kid gloves on linemen & throwing flags for breathing on a guy's knees.

Suh is an ideal defensive player. You don't just stop or disrupt a play, you make that bastard think twice on the next snap, next play, next game. When you have a player that the QB has to account for going forward, you've done your job.

You can put fear into QBs whilst still operating within the rules of the game. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Seriously, I'm surprised I'm copping stick for this.

Pretty much every sport I'm a traditionalist who actually likes watching good defense (and have a reputation for chewing my Suns out for never doing it), but I draw attention to the fact that a guy who has a history of doing dirty s*** doing... well... dirty s*** and suddenly I'm a softc*** who has no appreciation for hard defense?

lulz, sorry bro, we've been cool since Day 1 & still are but you're on the 'wrong' side of this.

When you start shading hard defensive plays that happen to drag a second or 2 past the whistle as dirty shiz, then yeah you're in contradiction to enjoying that same defense.

Can't love it on one hand & demonize it on another, especially when it's so close to that line.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea, trying to snap QBs necks is going a little bit overboard. There is no need for him to grab them round the head/helmet.

 

[Hound55]

I'm on the wrong side of this because I don't like the few times I've seen him damn near tear QBs heads off when he clearly had the opportunity to just make a clean hard hit on the play?

It wasn't even recklessness with just a stray loose hand coming onto the facemask... that s*** happens, but when he had clear opportunity to just make the play clean.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

You can put fear into QBs whilst still operating within the rules of the game. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

No, what's ridiculous is you protecting the shield on this one.

The rules? You mean the same rules that, progressively, SEVERELY limit & handcuff defensive players while at the same time protect the QB & offensive players? The offense is protected and promoted & the defense is marginalized.

THESE rules are the ones your talking about & you love hard defense too, right?

 

[Hound55]

I can't love hard defense whilst simultaneously taking issue with someone having a habit of tearing QBs heads off rather than just making a clean, hard, teeth-rattling hit?

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't know how anyone can defend his hit on Henne, for example. That's not playing hard, that's just being dirty and trying to cause an injury.

 

[Matt]

Nope. You really can't support tough defense while coddling quarterbacks.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I can't love hard defense whilst simultaneously taking issue with someone having a habit of tearing QBs heads off rather than just making a clean, hard, teeth-rattling hit?

Funny how those 2 contradict each other. You're shading a split second reaction to ensure the QB is down as ripping his head off, nevermind the fact he's hitting the upper body and putting him on the turf is kinda his job.

You might have a leg to stand on if it were some blatant late hit or this shiz was starting AFTER the whistle instead of it being a tackle already in progress before it.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Nope. You really can't support tough defense while coddling quarterbacks.

Basically what I've been trying to convey unsuccessfully.

 

[Hound55]

The fact that it's a QB is irrelevant.

I don't think he should be tearing the heads off of anybody...

 

[Matt]

Tomlinson just said: "They (Jacksonville) ain't got no business being on the field with us." The grammar is terrible.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

The fact that it's a QB is irrelevant.

I don't think he should be tearing the heads off of anybody...

That's good because he's not doing that in any way, unless you're talking about those rare high upper body tackles that I dunno, tend to involve a wrenching motion to drop minimum 230lb+ guys.

 

[Kane52630]

Tomlinson just said: "They (Jacksonville) ain't got no business being on the field with us." The grammar is terrible.

I'm ready to see the Jets take down the Jags

 

[Hound55]

Funny how those 2 contradict each other. You're shading a split second reaction to ensure the QB is down as ripping his head off, nevermind the fact he's hitting the upper body and putting him on the turf is kinda his job.

You might have a leg to stand on if it were some blatant late hit or this shiz was starting AFTER the whistle instead of it being a tackle already in progress before it.

No, I'm shading him grabbing guys by the helmet and applying pressure, often twisting pressure as ripping his head off.

Funny how most other guys don't accidentally put as much pressure on the head and neck of QBs when they get in on them, yet still manage to rock 'em.

If he WERE hitting the upper body I wouldn't have an argument in the first place.

 

[Immortalfire]

Tomlinson just said: "They (Jacksonville) ain't got no business being on the field with us." The grammar is terrible.

He's a badly joker.

 

[Hound55]

That's good because he's not doing that in any way, unless you're talking about those rare high upper body tackles that I dunno, tend to involve a wrenching motion to drop minimum 230lb+ guys.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

LOL! This picture gets so much run, it's just a testament to the fact that it's the only real 'evidence' people have & all it actually is a bad decision there, Jake was getting past him and he made a bad decision by reaching out to grab him. No one's defended that & you'd be hard pressed to ever find a defensive player who hasn't made that sort of bad decision.

Troy Polamalu just got slapped with a fine for reaching out and grabbing Ray Rice from behind, just like that.

Don't hear you or anyone else howling he's dirty.

No, at the speed the game is played, he made A bad decision, it's not the norm. It's not the regular. It's not the reason he gets the credit he gets across the league.

He's not dirty.

 

[Matt]

I'm ready to see the Jets take down the Jags

The Jags are actually one of my upset picks this week. Jack Del Rio's job is on the line this season, and Jack Del Rio just seems to find a way to win big games when his back is against the wall.

Other upset picks of the week: KC over Detroit and Arizona over Washington.

He's a badly joker.

The badliest!

Well Pittsburgh, your redzone still sucks. I honestly do not see why they would make the call to go for it on fourth in that manner with the O-Line that they have.

WHAT!?!?! TOMLIN IS CHALLENGING!?!?! WHAT!?!?!?! THE KNEE IS OBVIOUSLY DOWN!!!!! WTF IS TOMLING THINKING?!?!?!

Apparently their coaches upstairs suck too.

5 minutes in and Tomlin has blown two time outs.

 

[Kane52630]

Safety! f*** yea!

 

[enterthemadness]

Geez, Cam...

And Packers fumble kickoff lol.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Hmmm, Newton off to a hot start against the defending Champs.

Oh & T Sizzle is just a beast.

 

[enterthemadness]

Over/Under 300 yards passing for Cam? I say over at 310.

 

[BlackLantern]

Well Pittsburgh, your redzone still sucks. I honestly do not see why they would make the call to go for it on fourth in that manner with the O-Line that they have.

WHAT!?!?! TOMLIN IS CHALLENGING!?!?! WHAT!?!?!?! THE KNEE IS OBVIOUSLY DOWN!!!!! WTF IS TOMLING THINKING?!?!?!

Apparently their coaches upstairs suck too.

5 minutes in and Tomlin has blown two time outs.

I feel for you Matt....an incompetently run football team and a baseball team where ownership just doesn't care

 

[Hound55]

LOL! This picture gets so much run, it's just a testament to the fact that it's the only real 'evidence' people have & all it actually is a bad decision there, Jake was getting past him and he made a bad decision by reaching out to grab him. No one's defended that & you'd be hard pressed to ever find a defensive player who hasn't made that sort of bad decision.

Troy Polamalu just got slapped with a fine for reaching out and grabbing Ray Rice from behind, just like that.

Don't hear you or anyone else howling he's dirty.

No, at the speed the game is played, he made A bad decision, it's not the norm. It's not the regular. It's not the reason he gets the credit he gets across the league.

He's not dirty.

The hit on Dalton as well...

I can't comment on a Polamalu hit that I haven't seen... Did he sling him 'round and never grab anything other than the head as well?

I think he's a damn good defensive player... when he plays clean I have no issues with him.

And it's not "No ones defended that". You've defended that. Those hits to the head have been the only issue with him that I have and you've been defending him on them, because I never mentioned anything else regarding him. You did attempt to drag up the strawman of claiming that I somehow approve of the changes to the rules than tie the hands of the defensive players but I stayed on the argumen I had from the first post.

Only issue I have with him is his decision to try and tear people's f***ing heads off...

Honestly, I'd like it if they treated the QBs with no more protection than a guy kicking the ball in rugby gets (i.e. if you're already committed to the tackle there's no issue with it) but I know why the NFL doesn't go with that interpretation...