2012: A Monster Year? (box office predictions) - Part 2

[DoomsdayApex]

I don't think using Riddler or Penguin needs to be limited by fan ideas. I'm sure there are enough talented writers who could come up with a compelling story for both those characters that far exceed the Burton/Schumaker versions.

Bane might work for this film, but he's a very weak villian in Batman's rogue gallery. The character was basically created as a vehicle to jumpstart comic sales in the early 90's, and to introduce a new Batman and Batman suit.

My interest in TDKR really stems from a conclusion to the story and to see Ann Hatheway's take on Catwoman. Honestly I think Bane looks like some sort of S&M freak with a fluffy coat, in this version.

Bane is an excellent and formidable villain. In fact, I believe he has the most potential out of the rogue gallery. Bane has the best of both worlds -- something that The Joker, The Riddler and The Penguin lack.

Bane has always gotten the shaft over the years but he's truly a villain that has become iconic for remarkable feats involving wit AND brawn.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Okay, here are my opinions on 3D:

- If it is the director's choice to film it in 3D, I have no problems with it. Personally I can watch movies in 3D no problem (I don't care about glasses). But most of time I watch movies in 3D since it gets forced more of the time than not, especially when it is post-converted (I just don't care about shooting it in 3D).

- As much I love Nolan's movies, the fact that he isn't using 3D is not what make me respect him at all, but I respect him because of far he has come. Think about it, he tells Warner Bros. that he doesn't want to use 3D and they don't force it on him. He's become part of an exclusive club that has 100% creative control with his movies. I guess what I'm saying is that other directors should not be looked down upon becuase their using 3D and Nolan isn't, because Nolanites tend to do that.

- And I don't think The Avengers opening weekend should be looked down upon because of 3D. Think about it. Even if there was a $40 million dollar boost because of 3D it would still be around the record.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Hopefully after this film, Bane is looked at agian and changed. I'm not talking about Nolan-izing him, just making him someone who is truly formidable again. And don't be afraid to make changes to him to make him bigger (not literally) and better.

And yeah, I dont' think Avengers will make it past $600 but it's going to get past $500 mil.

With Avatar, the reason it made so much was because on top of the groundbreaking 3D, it was released to a weak December schedule and took advantage of the usually terrible winter season of January and February to gross a s**tload of money. I don't think a summer movie will ever pass Avatar unless they're released and July or August and takes Avatar of the waning movie season.

 

[rayc1971]

It will have 550 in a few weeks and by then it will be making only a few million each week. MIB next week, Snow White the week after, then Prometheus...

It won't make $600 million. It had a damn good run though.

how can you say that do you know its tracking 45mill this weekend?thats only a 18 percent drop.it will pull atleast 20 mill the following weekend and keep going down each weekend.it will cross 600 domestic it has all summer to run even if its a slow crawl towards the end.the weeks days will be a million but the weekend get a boost back up.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

MIB3, Snow White and Prometheus are gonna disrupt that. It's been three weeks already. Trust me, there's going to be a bigger drop.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't think using Riddler or Penguin needs to be limited by fan ideas. I'm sure there are enough talented writers who could come up with a compelling story for both those characters that far exceed the Burton/Schumaker versions.

Bane might work for this film, but he's a very weak villian in Batman's rogue gallery. The character was basically created as a vehicle to jumpstart comic sales in the early 90's, and to introduce a new Batman and Batman suit.

My interest in TDKR really stems from a conclusion to the story and to see Ann Hatheway's take on Catwoman. Honestly I think Bane looks like some sort of S&M freak with a fluffy coat, in this version.

And Bane was a tights wearing 'Mexican wrestler' in the comics, and literally a gimp in the 'The Adventures of Batman and Robin' (Batman: The Animated Series third season) on TV. What's your point.

 

[The Morningstar]

Okay, here are my opinions on 3D:

- If it is the director's choice to film it in 3D, I have no problems with it. Personally I can watch movies in 3D no problem (I don't care about glasses). But most of time I watch movies in 3D since it gets forced more of the time than not, especially when it is post-converted (I just don't care about shooting it in 3D).

- As much I love Nolan's movies, the fact that he isn't using 3D is not what make me respect him at all, but I respect him because of far he has come. Think about it, he tells Warner Bros. that he doesn't want to use 3D and they don't force it on him. He's become part of an exclusive club that has 100% creative control with his movies. I guess what I'm saying is that other directors should not be looked down upon becuase their using 3D and Nolan isn't, because Nolanites tend to do that.

- And I don't think The Avengers opening weekend should be looked down upon because of 3D. Think about it. Even if there was a $40 million dollar boost because of 3D it would still be around the record.

Well said. Like, Ridley Scott is shooting with 3D cameras for Prometheus, and he says they are great. He's got one of the best visual eyes in the business. He's the master of "mise en scene", world building with visuals. Frankly, better than the likes of Nolan. So when Scott says 3D isn't just a gimmick, I tend to take him at his word.

Nolan does deserve a lot of respect for sticking to his principles though. But he shouldn't become small minded and a traditionalist just for the sake of it.

 

[The Morningstar]

Besides, has Bane really lived up to his expectations in the comics? Ever since Knightfall, there's been some good Chuck Dixon Bane stories, but last I checked, he's still the size of an elephant and not as smart as could be. Or am I wrong?

I think Nolan is giving Bane a lot more than he has been given in the past 20 years. He's making him better from what I've seen so far.

Bane evolved past being simply a Bat villain long ago. He was more of an anti hero. Until DC rebooted anything that is.

He was fantastic in Gail Simone's Secret Six run. He kicked his addiction to venom and went to Gotham to help stem the tide after Batman supposed death out of sheer respect.

 

[Tony Stark]

Bane is an excellent and formidable villain. In fact, I believe he has the most potential out of the rogue gallery. Bane has the best of both worlds -- something that The Joker, The Riddler and The Penguin lack.

Bane has always gotten the shaft over the years but he's truly a villain that has become iconic for remarkable feats involving wit AND brawn.

I've just never cared for him. He's not a classic villain. It's not going to effect my opinion of the movie other than I'll always wish of what Nolan could have done with Riddler or Penguin, because they weren't done justice in the movies.

 

[Tony Stark]

And Bane was a tights wearing 'Mexican wrestler' in the comics, and literally a gimp in the 'The Adventures of Batman and Robin' (Batman: The Animated Series third season) on TV. What's your point.

I think I made my point. Bane is a weak villain. It's probably a generational thing, like Venom is for Spider-man fans. You either love him or hate him.

Batman probably has the best rogue gallery of any comic book character and they picked the weakest one.

 

[Liam_H]

3D is not a gimmick when actually done with care. It just really feels like one when 90% of the movies released with that format are just terrible.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bane evolved past being simply a Bat villain long ago. He was more of an anti hero. Until DC rebooted anything that is.

He was fantastic in Gail Simone's Secret Six run. He kicked his addiction to venom and went to Gotham to help stem the tide after Batman supposed death out of sheer respect.

Bane (prior to the reboot) was becoming quite an interesting character -- long overdue. It's about time he gets the respect he deserves.

 

[The Morningstar]

Bane (prior to the reboot) was becoming quite an interesting character -- long overdue. It's about time he gets the respect he deserves.

Yea he was great. He eventually became something much more interesting than simply being a Bat villain. Especially in No Mans Land and Secret Six.

Then DC did their reboot and now he seems more close to the Arkham video games Bane, which is a crappy portrayal.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I think I made my point. Bane is a weak villain. It's probably a generational thing, like Venom is for Spider-man fans. You either love him or hate him.

Batman probably has the best rogue gallery of any comic book character and they picked the weakest one.

Dude, if anything, Nolan & Crew picked the best option after they utilized The Joker. You may not like him but The Riddler and The Penguin would have been underwhelming for the finale.

 

[The Morningstar]

I agree. Although i always liked that theory i saw around about Riddler being some kind of corrupt Federal agent, who becomes obsessed with Batman. Could have tied in nicely to Batman being viewed as a murderer and on the run.

But i'm happy with Bane.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well said. Like, Ridley Scott is shooting with 3D cameras for Prometheus, and he says they are great. He's got one of the best visual eyes in the business. He's the master of "mise en scene", world building with visuals. Frankly, better than the likes of Nolan. So when Scott says 3D isn't just a gimmick, I tend to take him at his word.

Nolan does deserve a lot of respect for sticking to his principles though. But he shouldn't become small minded and a traditionalist just for the sake of it.

I don't think Nolan is small minded and a traditionalist for the sake of it at all. He does like 3D movies. He voiced his love for Avatar and what Cameron does. It's just a stylistic choice that Nolan prefers film and non 3D. Like I said, I just have a problem with Nolanites looking down on other directors for using 3D and a few even criticize other for using digital.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yea he was great. He eventually became something much more interesting than simply being a Bat villain. Especially in No Mans Land and Secret Six.

Then DC did their reboot and now he seems more close to the Arkham video games Bane, which is a crappy portrayal.

As a huge fan of Bane, I adored and appreciated the Secret Six series. They dipped into some really fascinating stuff with Bane, and made me love the character all over again.

The rebooted Bane is just a slap in the face as a fan.

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't think Nolan is small minded and a traditionalist for the sake of it at all. He does like 3D movies. He voiced his love for Avatar and what Cameron does. It's just a stylistic choice that Nolan prefers film and non 3D. Like I said, I just have a problem with Nolanites looking down on other directors for using 3D and a few even criticize other for using digital.

Ahh cool. Well yea, as long as it's an artistic choice and he has knowledge of digital and 3D then well yea, that's his prerogative.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I don't think Nolan is small minded and a traditionalist for the sake of it at all. He does like 3D movies. He voiced his love for Avatar and what Cameron does. It's just a stylistic choice that Nolan prefers film and non 3D. Like I said, I just have a problem with Nolanites looking down on other directors for using 3D and a few even criticize other for using digital.

Yeah, I don't think it's small-minded of Nolan either. It's simply a preference, and Nolan prefers film. He doesn't loath the technology. I read somewhere that he watched DOTM in 3D.

 

[Octoberist]

I think I made my point. Bane is a weak villain. It's probably a generational thing, like Venom is for Spider-man fans. You either love him or hate him.

Batman probably has the best rogue gallery of any comic book character and they picked the weakest one.

I think Bane (as a character) has been mis-used by both DC Comics, and his appearance in other media (cartoons, video games).

But I think you're missed the point: Nolan stated that Bane is an untapped character who has great potential AND he's mostly unknown to the public. It makes it fresh by bringing him in, and make Bane relevant. Plus, Nolan can mold him more so than Joker or Two Face, since Bane isn't as well known.

Either way, everyone wins thus will cause a chain reaction. Then DC, TV shows, and video games will be able to use him properly due to his newfound popularity. If it's done right, of course.

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah, I don't think it's small-minded of Nolan either. It's simply a preference, and Nolan prefers film. He doesn't loath the technology. I read somewhere that he watched DOTM in 3D.

Rian Johnson (Looper) doesn't like 3D. Like what you said, it's a presence. I also think it's the film vs. digital argument too, where film has the richer look while digital is more of a practical medium that gets misused.

 

[The Morningstar]

Roger Deakins proves that digital can be just as rich and striking as film.

 

[Octoberist]

Like what we've stated before, hopefully other cinematographers wise up, because digital can give a great look, but it can also be inconsistent (videoy, grainy) if it's done wrong.

 

[Octoberist]

Drive was filmed in digital and it's beautiful too.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yeah, I don't think it's small-minded of Nolan either. It's simply a preference, and Nolan prefers film. He doesn't loath the technology. I read somewhere that he watched DOTM in 3D.

That's another thing. Nolan loves Michael Bay as a director. I'm just gonna assume he loves he technical skills.

Drive was filmed in digital and it's beautiful too.

I just plain love the cinematography of Drive. It's a movie that simply got robbed of a cinematography nom at the oscars.