26 yr old Teacher pregnant with a 16 yr old students baby

[MessiahDecoy123]

Then I'm assuming that you would also be just fine with the situation if the teacher had been a male that seduced this boy, so long as the male teacher in question took the "passive" role in their sexual encounters?

If the teen fantasized about the teacher before the seduction then I don't see how he would be a victim if he got what he wanted.

 

[StorminNorman]

Why? When you're 16 you are half ******ed because your homones are raging and YOUR BRAIN ISN'T DONE YET! You are completely missing what the problem is-- the problem is not that our standards for teenage girls are too high, the problem is that we as a society do not want to acknowledge that a male should be upset if he gets raped by a woman! We have it in our heads that if a man gets raped by a woman, it's just free sex, and that double standard is going to continue to exist even if we did as you suggest and "dropped the double standard" by not treating female victims of statutory rape as victims. If we follow your train of logic, then it ends with male-on-female rape no longer being taken seriously. Rape is rape, no matter who is on the recieving end, and that is something that we cannot afford to stop taking seriously. Maybe if you had a PhD in psychology I would be able to take your statement more seriously and not just look at it as typical pooplah.

Teenagers should NOT be getting molested by teachers, regardless of gender, PERIOD.

Should I take your look at it as typical pooplah due to your lack of PhD? You don't need a PhD to utilize your own experiences to form opinions.

Students should not get molested by teachers, agreed. The problem here is the teacher/student relationship. The teacher should get fired. However should the teacher be forced to pay thousands of dollars as a penalty for having sex with a 16 year old? No. Should she be thrown in jail? No.

I believe a deprivation of life and liberty (fines and jail) should be reserved for instances where there is a victim. There, as far as I see, is no victim. That is not to say that it is possible for there to be a male victim of female rape - only that this isn't that situation.

 

[Prison Mike]

I think getting fired in this economy is "punishment" enough.

 

[kane9321]

*high five* but shes pregnant...you idiot should have used a condom

 

[Firm18]

Should I take your look at it as typical pooplah due to your lack of PhD? You don't need a PhD to utilize your own experiences to form opinions.

Teachers should not get molested by teachers, agreed. The problem here is the teacher/student relationship. The teacher should get fired. However should the teacher be forced to pay thousands of dollars as a penalty for having sex with a 16 year old? No. Should she be thrown in jail? No.

I believe a deprivation of life and liberty (fines and jail) should be reserved for instances where there is a victim. There, as far as I see, is no victim. That is not to say that it is possible for there to be a male victim of female rape - only that this isn't that situation.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Ending the double standard should be focused on saying that 16 year old girls are responsible for their actions instead of pretending that 16 year old boy's aren't.

That has to be the most logical thing written in this thread, yet.

 

[SuperFerret]

I call shenanigans. This wasn't close to rape.

EDIT: Obviously I see this debate has already been sufficiently waged so I will not get into it.

It was rape. As I said, it doesn't need to be overtly nonconsentual to be rape. But the debate has been sufficiently waged, and I'd prefer not to get into this with you.

WHY ARE PEOPLE BEHAVING LIKE HE WAS USED FOR GOD'S SAKE!
He is 16, he makes a decision, it's not like at age of 16 you are mentally ******ed and can't make a decision, seriously....

Sounds like someone's 16.

If the teen fantasized about the teacher before the seduction then I don't see how he would be a victim if he got what he wanted.

Because he's 16 and doesn't know what's best for him. I guarantee he'll regret this in the future.

 

[dark_b]

 

[Timstuff]

First of all, Stop putting words in my mouth and disrespecting me like this. You have no right to this what so ever.

I never said this is good, I said you are blowing this way out of proportion, I don't see how this is rape. He had a choice, even if he is 16, I remember what I was like at 16, if you're smart enough to know when to say no, you say no. She wasn't making him do it, he did not tell anyone about it, nor tried to stop her so he didn't mind it. If it was a girl, I would've said the exact same thing. I don't know where you're from, but here it's legal to have sex at 15. And at 16 you should at least know if things like this are a good idea or not. You're all behaving like he was 11, he was 16. 16 is old enough for your own decisions.

I wouldn't like my brother or son to have sex with a teacher, but to say this is all her fault is ridiculous.

Nambla thinks the age of consent should be 8 years old. Where should we draw the line? I say we stick with what we know to be accurate: if you are an adult (18+) you are at the age of consent. We know that most people younger than 18 are not emotionally or mentally mature, so they are not capable of making rational decisions about sexuality. They aren't done yet, which is why it's illegal.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why? When you're 16 you are half ******ed because your homones are raging and YOUR BRAIN ISN'T DONE YET! You are completely missing what the problem is-- the problem is not that our standards for teenage girls are too high, the problem is that we as a society do not want to acknowledge that a male should be upset if he gets raped by a woman! We have it in our heads that if a man gets raped by a woman, it's just free sex, and that double standard is going to continue to exist even if we did as you suggest and "dropped the double standard" by not treating female victims of statutory rape as victims. If we follow your train of logic, then it ends with male-on-female rape no longer being taken seriously. Rape is rape, no matter who is on the recieving end, and that is something that we cannot afford to stop taking seriously. Maybe if you had a PhD in psychology I would be able to take your statement more seriously and not just look at it as typical pooplah.

Teenagers should NOT be getting molested by teachers, regardless of gender, PERIOD.

Correction.

Rape is rape.

Statutory rape is statutory rape.

There is a distinction.

Rape is never fully consensual.

Statutory rape can be fully consensual.

The only reason this fully consensual sex is a problem is because it took place in the wrong state. That's the extent of the crime, bad location. If the location was right it wouldn't even be considered anything close to rape or a crime.

How can it be considered rape if the determining factor is location?

 

[Timstuff]

Should I take your look at it as typical pooplah due to your lack of PhD? You don't need a PhD to utilize your own experiences to form opinions.

Students should not get molested by teachers, agreed. The problem here is the teacher/student relationship. The teacher should get fired. However should the teacher be forced to pay thousands of dollars as a penalty for having sex with a 16 year old? No. Should she be thrown in jail? No.

I believe a deprivation of life and liberty (fines and jail) should be reserved for instances where there is a victim. There, as far as I see, is no victim. That is not to say that it is possible for there to be a male victim of female rape - only that this isn't that situation.

That's easy for you to say, because you aren't the one who's life has been damaged by this woman's actions. Whether you guys like it or not, she DID take advantage of this kid. She is a teacher, and that puts her in a position of authority. The boy is not emotionally or mentally mature. She took advantage of his naivete and his raging hormones to get what she wanted out of him, and now not only does he have to deal with the emotional scars and torment that are going to come with being sexually taken advantage of as he grows up, but now there is going to be another person walking around the world as a permanent reminder of his mistake. You might think he's not a victim, but that's because you are not thinking about it past "HE GOT SOME BOOBS AND VAGINA!" While we're at it, let's let drug dealers have free access to our public schools. After all, they're just giving our kids what they want, no-one's no victim there!

 

[Timstuff]

Correction.

Rape is rape.

Statutory rape is statutory rape.

There is a distinction.

Rape is never fully consensual.

Statutory rape can be fully consensual.

The only reason this fully consensual sex is a problem is because it took place in the wrong state. That's the extent of the crime, bad location. If the location was right it wouldn't even be considered anything close to rape or a crime.

How can it be considered rape is the determining factor is location?

The whole point of statutory rape is that the person is TOO YOUNG TO GIVE CONSENT! Dear lord, I hate it when I end up being the only rational person in threads like this...



Seriously, did any of you watch that South Park episode I linked to? You guys are the very people that episode was making fun of, and for good reason.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Because he's 16 and doesn't know what's best for him. I guarantee he'll regret this in the future.

He'll regret not using protection but alot of people have that regret regardless of age.

Lot's of guys lose their virginity before 17 and don't regret it. In fact if anything most guys regret not having more sex during high school.

 

[Timstuff]

He'll regret not using protection but alot of people have that regret regardless of age.

Lot's of guys lose their virginity before 17 and don't regret it. In fact if anything most guys regret not having more sex during high school.

Dude, you are seriously pissing me off now. Get your head out of the sand and realize that there are emotional and psychological consequences from a minor being sexually abused by an adult in a position of authority. Most male students who are victims like him DO end up with grave consequences later in life, but people like you seem to gleefully ignore that fact and instead insist that the boy deserves a medal of manliness. I am practically the only one here who is actually speaking up for what the law, the past cases and the science says about it, and you are all acting like I am being irrational. None of you have been sexually abused by a teacher so I think you should all **** if you feel like no-one was wronged here. This woman ruined this kid's life, and for that she has earned jail time. End of story.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I am practically the only one here who is actually speaking up for what the law, the past cases and the science says about it, and you are all acting like I am being irrational.

I'd love to see the science that says anything about that.

This is a sociological issue. It is the 'norm' in this society for people to wait until 18 to have consensual sex. There are plenty of nations in the world where this is not the 'norm'. To claim these people were 'raped' is perposterous.

Just because someone deviates from the norm, doesn't make it a crime. The crime is in this boy not being prepared by his parents. They are as much to blame as this teacher.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's easy for you to say, because you aren't the one who's life has been damaged by this woman's actions. Whether you guys like it or not, she DID take advantage of this kid. She is a teacher, and that puts her in a position of authority. The boy is not emotionally or mentally mature. She took advantage of his naivete and his raging hormones to get what she wanted out of him, and now not only does he have to deal with the emotional scars and torment that are going to come with being sexually taken advantage of as he grows up, but now there is going to be another person walking around the world as a permanent reminder of his mistake. You might think he's not a victim, but that's because you are not thinking about it past "HE GOT SOME BOOBS AND VAGINA!" While we're at it, let's let drug dealers have free access to our public schools. After all, they're just giving our kids what they want, no-one's no victim there!

Automatically assuming someone was taken advantage of strictly based on their age is silly.

There are 16 year olds who can beat you at any game. How is that possible if their age determines you can take advantage of them?

and responsible drug use is far more complicated than responsible sex (wear a rubber). You can't compare the two.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Dude, you are seriously pissing me off now. Get your head out of the sand and realize that there are emotional and psychological consequences from a minor being sexually abused by an adult in a position of authority. Most male students who are victims like him DO end up with grave consequences later in life, but people like you seem to gleefully ignore that fact and instead insist that the boy deserves a medal of manliness. I am practically the only one here who is actually speaking up for what the law, the past cases and the science says about it, and you are all acting like I am being irrational. None of you have been sexually abused by a teacher so I think you should all **** if you feel like no-one was wronged here. This woman ruined this kid's life, and for that she has earned jail time. End of story.

Settle down "dude". We're just having a conversation here.

Some men regret having sex too early, not all of them.

I still say men are more likely to regret having too little sex in high school rather than too much.

 

[Timstuff]

First of all, most men don't get much sex during high school, so of course they're going to fantasize about what it would have been like if they had gotten more. For the males who did have too much sex too soon though, it can be very harmful later in life, but in general you're not going to hear people talk about it as much because of the stigma that society places on any man who complains about inappropriate or excessive sexual conduct.

Second of all, being able to play video games well is NOT a qualifier to making decisions about sex. Honestly, how could you even type something like that!?

 

[The Guard]

Please...for the love of all that is holy...

STOP. GENERALIZING.

Not everyone feels something like this is rape. Not everyone RESPONDS the same way to relationships, or sex, or rape, or intercourse with people in authority, or having a baby, etc.

This is against the law and innapropriate because of the rules of her job, and the law, and I agree that it's basically down to where this happened. What makes this, in its basics, inherently wrong or immoral? Keep in mind we don't know many details.

Shouldn't situations like this be...situational?

Personally, I think the larger issue is that she got pregnant. I really think letting a student get her pregnant is worse, in terms of impact on their lives in general, than just, say, sleeping with him for fun. But maybe that's what they wanted. Who knows.

Every single time this happens, both points of view surface in society, it's not one or the other. Men are not always hailed as heroes or painted as pervents, just as girls are not always considered victims or ****es. I'm fairly certain I've seen all the kids who have been reported as sleeping with their teachers as the victim in some fashion. But to a large subset of the population...that's a fantasy. Ditto a teacher sleeping with students.

It's already been said, but it bears repeating. Statutory rape and rape are two very, very different things.

I think it's kind of silly to suggest a 16 year old was "taken advantage of" by this woman any more than say, an 18 year old would have been. Again, people differ in their maturity levels. I have no idea what "used the boy and his hormone levels" means. That's kind of like saying "Used the fact that he was a male with a sex drive". Beyond maybe 12, there's no magic age when you're mature enough for sex that it wont mess you up. Should you be having sex unless you're prepared to "risk" becoming a young parent? Probably not, but let's face it, sex in our culture isn't always about procreating, at least on the surface.

And I think its silly to assume he will have terrible emotional issues over this, or that having a kid will ruin his life. Could he? Sure.

As for what people would do if a male teacher slept with a student. A male teacher in his late thirties at my school slept with two girls that were 16 and 17. He was considered a damned hero. And he was reviled. At the same time. Go figure.

As for the teacher needing respect, she's had sex with a student, and people knew about it. It's not a stretch to imagine others have, or wanted to do the same thing before him. I kind of wonder if there's really that much difference between "I want to do her", and "someone did her" when it comes to respect. Why is respect tied up in that, anyway?

 

[katie_girl09]

And that's where the double standard lies. Women don't have to be compliant to have sex, so we naturally assume any girl in the same predicament was forced, and we high 5 the boys, because they obviously accomplished something they desired.

It's very true.

I'll explain the double standard in one word.

Penetration.

When someone is penetrated they are seen as the "victim".

For exemple when a gay man has consensual sex with a gay teenage boy there is the same outrage you find with a teenage girl being involved. Society sees anyone who is penetrated as being used. For the same reason men with multiple partners are seen as studs and women who do the same thing are seen as ****s.

So biology is destiny? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people look at it that way (whether subconsciously or not) but that line of thinking is pure idiocy.

If this had been my son , I would've shook his hand and given him a beer.

Would you have done the same if it were your 16-year old daughter boinking her 26-year old male teacher? Not judging, just curious.

No ****ing way. It's just different for guys. It's not sexist or anything. It's the truth.

If a 16 year old guy has sex and doesn't get any STD's or whatever, he's fine. But for girls, she can get preggers. And that can ruin her life. It's a fact

(1) You know, males do have to look after their children as well. Having a child too early in life can often be just as devastating for a young man's future as it can be for a young woman's.
(2) I also find it funny that you don't even take the possibility of abortion into consideration. As if a woman MUST have the baby once she is pregnant.

It was rape. As I said, it doesn't need to be overtly nonconsentual to be rape.

Thank you. People don't seem to understand that a lot of the time.

Because he's 16 and doesn't know what's best for him.

Or that.

 

[Poeman]

I still feel this might be consensual...

For goodness sakes, the 16 year old is a HS football player. He has to look like much bigger man. Not your average typical 16 year old.

Still this is not right for the teacher, but I do agree the double standard that comes along with this where more people favor the woman then say suppose it was a Male teacher is ridiculous.

However, recently in the news more and more FEMALE teachers have the urge to bang their students.. I have yet to see some male teacher bang some students in the news in the recent years

 

[Poeman]

Btw what happens if she keeps the kid?

Does the 16 year old pay child support once he is 18?

 

[Cmill216]

Because he's 16 and doesn't know what's best for him.

You don't know that.

16 is plenty old enough to decide whether or not you want to have sex with someone. Let's not use the argument that being 16 means you're too stupid to determine if you want to do something or not.

 

[Raiden]

I just don't think it is the same when a hot woman has sex with an underage boy like it is with a man and an underage girl, even though the rule treats both cases the same.

 

[Alex The Great]

Katie, I did think about saying something about abortion. But that depends on how far this kid is in development. Plus that's a touchy subject so I decided to leave it