4 Police Officers Shot Dead At Coffee Shop

[huskerwebhead]

You make it sound like as soon as I found the thread I just walked in and said "Good, I'm glad they died. They deserved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kill those cops." I did no such thing.

No, you didn't say it like that. You were much more subtle with your insinuations.

I know I'm wrong for feeling this way, but I don't even feel sorry for the cops. I've had so many bad experiences with them abusing their power and breaking the law. I'm willing to bet those cops did something that should have landed them in prison, but they got away with it.

I know I'm wrong for not having sympathy for the cops. I can't help it. It's entirely possible that they weren't even bad cops but if I had to guess I'd say they probably did something inappropiate that set somebody off.

I kind of have a prejudice against cops. Like when I'm at a red light and they are next to me I feel like I hate them. So many of them are just such awful human beings.

 

[A&W]

First, A&W, see this:



Best post in the thread so far. Regardless of your feelings towards police officers, your comments were out of line in a thread regarding the death of four human beings.



The fact that you admit it's wrong doesn't excuse it. Even though you know it's wrong to stab random people, I guess it's still OK as long as you know it's wrong. You should try and fix it. Maybe that's why someone suggested therapy. Contrary to what you see on TV, therapists often deal with issues like this.....and they are not as petty as you think it is.

A few questions to put your statements in perspective. How may officers do you think you have dealt with in total? Ballpark? And what percentage of those were "corrupt" in your mind? And how many police officers are there in the United States? So you've dealt with, what....about 0.01% of the police officers in the US. And yet your comfortable making the blanket statements like the ones in this thread?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you are a young guy...somewhere in your mid to late teens? I was a bit of a trouble maker when I was younger and had quite a mouth on me. But I always felt, like you, I was respectful to cops but still harassed by them. As I've grown up I was able to look back on those encounters and realized I was often less than respectful. When you form a stereotype about a group of people you have a tendency to display that in body language, tone of voice, etc. and not even realize it. I'd be willing to bet you're not always as "respectful and nice" as you think you were...or at least have portrayed yourself as.

One last thing I would suggest. Before you start condemning the hundreds of thousands of people who are police officers to "like pedophiles" you should try walking in their shoes. Try doing a ride along. I promise it will open your eyes.

My admitting it's wrong does not excuse it. but instead of being like "yeah that's kind of bogus of you, but at least you admit it" people are acting like jerks. You think I'm the only one here with a prejudice against a group? How many racists do you think come here every day and lie about being racist? How many here criticizing me are probably racist? so that is not misinterpreted I'm not saying everybody criticizing me is racist, it's just that statisitically speaking at least a couple out of the bunch probably are racist, while here jumping on my for being prejudice.

I could not tell you how many times I've dealt with cops.

because of the experiences I've had when you see by a cop my body language says one thing. "I am terrified and I want out of this situation as easily and quickly as possible." Cops capitalize on it and take advantage of it, because like I said many of them want to feel big and make the other person feel small. My fear makes me an easy target probably.

as for the other guy's post. yeah it's reasonable. he doesn't like the fact that I hate cops and his expressing his opinion in that respect is completely appropiate. In fact I even agree with it. What I don't agree with is the way most here have acted.

 

[mrvlknight21]

I actually still have the tab open on my computer, so despite the fact that it was deleted I can still read it. I will copy and paste it minus my statement towards you directly.

actually I don't need to copy it, you can read it right here where it was quoted by Danoyse. I was accused of saying that "ALL COPS were corrupt criminals. I made no such statement. you can all read it here.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17775580&postcount=52

I said "I know I'm wrong for hating all cops" that was me admitting I was wrong for being prejudiced. I was then accused of saying all cops are ciminals. I said that no I did not say that. and you can read the post. I said "most" just like I said I said.

Lets say I'm 100% wrong. Let's say that I misread it, or maybe you edited it after reading it and realizing that you didn't want to say "all."

Do you now admit that saying "MOST cops are worthless criminals who belong behind bars" is presumptuous and probably incorrect? Do you really think that MOST cops ARE criminals? If so, what do you mean by most..like majority (51%) or some other figure? Just because you had a few incidents that you claim are your proof that there are corrupt cops out there, does not mean the majority of them are that way, just as those black guys who decided to jump me and my friends are probably not the majority either.

Again, I am not claiming that all police officers are perfect. If you read my posts thoroughly, you should have read that I have several that are likely going to prison as a result of my investigations. But even though I have firsthand knowledge of this sort of thing, I'm not under the assumption that the majority are this way.

 

[Kingfish]

I could not tell you how many times I've dealt with cops.

You might want to think about this statement a little more closely and wonder if, perhaps, there's a reason for all of this nonsense.

Or just call us racists. That works too.

 

[A&W]

I think we mostly got hostile because you belittled the death of four police officers. You may think that most, if not all, cops are corrupt, power crazy a-holes, but you would be wrong. I've encountered enough cops to know this for myself. I find most cops have got better things to do than harass the general public. I've dealt with quite a few cops who are doing the job because they feel they can make a difference. Many of them have families. Imagine how you would feel if your father was killed and someone said that he was probably a corrupt person anyway and "probably did something inappropriate to set someone off."

You disrespecting their memory by assuming that they were corrupt is sickening, and deplorable. While I don't doubt you've have some run-ins with the law where you got the shaft, I think it is grossly unfair to assume that the four cops in the story were corrupt.

Well I would not say that to the family obviously. I'm not suggesting we get a big protest going in their front yard.

It is possible that most cops are not bad guys. You say you've met enough to know this, and I say I've met so many that I'm convinced they are bad guys. Neither of us can really state it as a fact.

But if I had to guess and my life depended on it, I wouldn't be nervous. It makes sense how so many would become that way. It's power. We all know what power does to people. so really it shouldn't even be a suprise if we found out that most cops were breaking the law on a regular basis while on duty.

I find most cops have got better things to do than harass the general public

way not true.

You disrespecting their memory by assuming that they were corrupt is sickening, and deplorable.

This I understand. And after having time to cool off, honestly I can say that I don't know either way what happened.

 

[huskerwebhead]

My admitting it's wrong does not excuse it. but instead of being like "yeah that's kind of bogus of you, but at least you admit it" people are acting like jerks.

No, people are harping on you because YOU are OK with it. You know it's wrong but "oh what the hell...I'm justified in my hate." It's similar to someone who's had a bad run in with Asians and then assuming all Asians are bad. But, it's OK, cause they know it's wrong. WTH??

You think I'm the only one here with a prejudice against a group? How many racists do you think come here every day and lie about being racist? How many here criticizing me are probably racist? so that is not misinterpreted I'm not saying everybody criticizing me is racist, it's just that statisitically speaking at least a couple out of the bunch probably are racist, while here jumping on my for being prejudice.

When was the last time you saw a post on here about someone of a particular race that was murdered and another poster coming in saying "I don't care, I just hate them. If I'd have to guess they did something illegal to bring it on themselves." When?

because of the experiences I've had when you see by a cop my body language says one thing. "I am terrified and I want out of this situation as easily and quickly as possible." Cops capitalize on it and take advantage of it, because like I said many of them want to feel big and make the other person feel small. My fear makes me an easy target probably

You do realize that your acting nervous is something that Police Officers, as well as security guards, military police, etc. are trained to look for? Somebody acting "squirrely." It's generally a sign of guilt and raises suspicion. Again, I'd suggest a ride along or something that would bring you into non-confrontational contact with the Police to ease this hatred you have.

 

[A&W]

I've got some extra...

this is what I mean. how is this not considered inmature trolling?

 

[StrainedEyes]

ANYWAY... The police now have a person of interest.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_officers_shot

PARKLAND, Wash. – A man with an extensive criminal past — whose 95-year prison sentence was commuted in Arkansas nearly a decade ago — was being sought Sunday as a "person of interest" in a deadly ambush on four police officers who were gunned down inside a coffee shop.

Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told reporters that Maurice Clemmons, 37, was one of several people investigators want to talk to and that he could not be called a suspect at this point.

In a news release, the sheriff's office said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. Clemmons also recently was arrested and charged in Pierce County in Washington state for third-degree assault on a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child.

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Troyer said one of those officers fought with the gunman and may have wounded him before the officer died just outside the doorway. He told reporters that investigators were asking area medical providers to report any people wounded by gunshots.

Troyer said investigators believe two of the officers were shot dead while sitting in the shop, and a third was killed after standing up. The fourth apparently struggled with the gunman out the doorway and "gave up a good fight," getting off a few shots before he was either shot there or succumbed to earlier wounds.

 

[Spider-Vader]

This is f***ing ridiculous. & you know what makes it worse!?

The lovely American justice system will have them locked up for a few years, then they'll get let out & they'll kill more innocent people. When they themselves, should be killed on the spot. I f***ing hate the American justice system.

 

[Hotwire]

As for the other guy's post. yeah it's reasonable. he doesn't like the fact that I hate cops and his expressing his opinion in that respect is completely appropiate. In fact I even agree with it. What I don't agree with is the way most here have acted.

OK, so after I explain to you why people responded the way they did, this is the best you can come up with? You don't agree with other people being hostile with you when you start of a conversation implying that four cops who were killed probably brought it on themselves by being corrupt? You really need to do some growing up.

I think I'm starting to understand you a little better though. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You are young, under 25, you smoke pot on a regular basis, you may do some other drugs, but I'm not sure. You run with a crowd that tends to get rowdy and attract the attention of law enforcement. You've been arrested a few times, and don't feel the crimes your were arrested for were really things a guy should get pinched for.

See, I'm making an assumption, just like did, regarding people who comment on how much they hate cops.

 

[huskerwebhead]

way not true.

How many police officers do you actually KNOW. And I don't mean ones you've had confrontations with. Ones you can actually have a conversation with, are friends with? I have 11 that I can count right now. None of them want anything to do with general harassment. It's the kind of situations they don't want to deal with. It causes added stress, additional paperwork, accounting for their time, and usually ends with the suspect getting released so it's a big waste of everyone's time.

 

[mrvlknight21]

You do realize that your acting nervous is something that Police Officers, as well as security guards, military police, etc. are trained to look for? Somebody acting "squirrely." It's generally a sign of guilt and raises suspicion. Again, I'd suggest a ride along or something that would bring you into non-confrontational contact with the Police to ease this hatred you have.

^^ This.

 

[mrvlknight21]

How many police officers do you actually KNOW. And I don't mean ones you've had confrontations with. Ones you can actually have a conversation with, are friends with? I have 11 that I can count right now. None of them want anything to do with general harassment. It's the kind of situations they don't want to deal with. It causes added stress, additional paperwork, accounting for their time, and usually ends with the suspect getting released so it's a big waste of everyone's time.

Probably none...he hates them all...remember?

 

[Hotwire]

this is what I mean. how is this not considered immature trolling?

Actually it was a joke. An inside joke at that. And while yes, it was immature, I've made enough mature posts hear to earn a couple smart-ass posts.

 

[Spider-Vader]

A&W, I wonder how much you'll hate cops when you're getting mugged.

(Yeah, this is personal for me. My dad's a cop)

 

[huskerwebhead]

Actually it was a joke. An inside joke at that. And while yes, it was immature, I've made enough mature posts hear to earn a couple smart-ass posts.

"here" not hear. There, some additional humor to the thread. t:

 

[Hotwire]

A&W, I wonder how much you'll hate cops when you're getting mugged.

(Yeah, this is personal for me. My dad's a cop)

I was wondering if there were any cops on this board, but this is the next best thing.

 

[Hotwire]

"here" not hear. There, some additional humor to the thread. t:

AHHH, the grammar police got me! Harassment!!

 

[katie_girl09]

How many police officers do you actually KNOW. And I don't mean ones you've had confrontations with. Ones you can actually have a conversation with, are friends with? I have 11 that I can count right now. None of them want anything to do with general harassment. It's the kind of situations they don't want to deal with. It causes added stress, additional paperwork, accounting for their time, and usually ends with the suspect getting released so it's a big waste of everyone's time.

It's great that the ones you know are straight arrows. But I just want to say that harassment by the police does occur, and that I suspect it happens a bit more than people think it does. That's all.

 

[bgates87]

AHHH, the grammar police got me! Harassment!!

I hate all grammar police!

 

[mrvlknight21]

I was wondering if there were any cops on this board, but this is the next best thing.

There are. I mentioned my position earlier and there are a few others. One already commented.

 

[Hotwire]

It's great that the ones you know are straight arrows. But I just want to say that harassment by the police does occur, and that I suspect it happens a bit more than people think it does. That's all.

I don't think anyone would debate that there are crooked cops out there, just nowhere near the number that A&W seems to think there are.

 

[Hotwire]

There are. I mentioned my position earlier and there are a few others. One already commented.

You're a cop?

 

[katie_girl09]

^Okay. Just wanted to make sure.

 

[mrvlknight21]

You're a cop?

My position is Special Agent actually. But yes, I am a law enforcement officer.