5 Dallas Officers Killed at Protest Over Shootings by Police

[samsnee]

Cops in England don't carry guns.

But they also have stricter gun laws.

 

[Marvolo]

Cops in England don't carry guns.

Some do (think it depends on the type of officer) and they have response teams that are armed.

That just wouldn't work in America. Too many guns are already in criminal hands. We've got the cartels down south. Truly violent gangs. Organized crime. Violent drug offenders. Etc. Sure England has its share of dangers that cops face, but it's on another level in America. And keep in mind that response times in America generally suck in rural areas. It can take 30 minutes or more for backup in some areas. And a swat response can take even longer depending. Cops in America need to at least have a way of defending themselves effectively until help arrives. And a gun is the most effective way for them to defend themselves.

Personally I want us to develop an alternative to bullets and lethal guns. Tazors are one time use and an officer can't carry a bunch of cartridges. Mace isn't that effective in some situations. We need a weapon that will drop a human quickly, doesn't kill, holds multiple "rounds" of ammunition, and is as easy to use as a gun. Make that the standard weapon for beat cops. Allow them to keep a shotgun in their patrolvehicles for the extreme situations.

 

[chaseter]

Elephant tranqs or something to immediately knock someone unconscious.

 

[samsnee]

Here's what I don't get. We now know this was the work of a lone gunman.

This was also a mass shooting.

So how come when we've had other mass shootings, there is the usual anger about gun control. The usual statements about how gun control wouldn't have prevented the tragedy. Except this time it's different. This time it's because of protestors. It's because of BLM.

And the lone gunman? He's representative of an entire race. He wasn't a lone wolf. Or mentally unstable.

It just seems like a double standard to me.

 

[Marvolo]

Elephant tranqs or something to immediately knock someone unconscious.

Unlike in films tranquilizers aren't one size fit all. Depending on pre existing health conditions a tranquilizer that will knock out one person might stop another person's heart or not even phase another person. And you can't put a tranq in a person that is on drugs. It could cause a fatal reaction. Granted it's potentially safer than a bullet, but because of the unpredictability of tranquilizers they aren't likely to be used. They are already hesitant about tazors because they can cause heart attacks. Not sure they'd want to add tranqs to the mix.

We'd need to develop something that could slow their motor functions but not be powerful enough to accidentally kill them.

Or we could just down grade cops service pistols back to .38 specials or .380s. Those are enough to shock and halt most people in most every day altercations. And if the cop ****s up they are less likely to kill the person. Cops carrying .40 and .45ACP guns can kill a person with a single round much more easily and with cops being trigger happy and wanting to unload on a person it just adds too much risk.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I have no problem with cops carrying a gun.

I have a problem with cops shooting people during a traffic stop with no cause, and shooting a suspect while he is being pinned to the ground and pretty much neutralized.

Its not the weapon that is the problem.

 

[jmc]

It's the gun culture that's the problem.

 

[Victarion]

I would say the politicians need to find a way to sniff out the few that partake of gun culture and go out to do harm. That way, they're not punishing the others that enjoy the culture as a hobby. Its the only fair and just way to go about addressing the problem, and if the execution we saw in that one video with the guy's girlfriend is anything to go by, fairness and justice are something we sorely need.

However, I'm alright with our police force having real guns as opposed to souped up pellet guns. In dealing with violent criminals, they're dealing with people that have decided to take their lives into their own hands.

 

[Sithborg]

I still think we need to mourn at least for a week to pay respect to the victims of this tragedy and then talk about the issues.

********. It is a freaking distraction technique. We are way, way, way, way past due to have conversations that NEED to happen.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

It's the gun culture that's the problem.

It's the man that shot ppl that's the problem.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's the man that shot ppl that's the problem.

His ability to shoot people had no barring on this at all? He could snipe these officers with a kitchen knife?

 

[Shawn Wayne]

His ability to shoot people had no barring on this at all? He could snipe these officers with a kitchen knife?

A gun could lie on the ground for a million years, and NEVER shoot a person until someone pulled the trigger. Yes, I blame the man who did the shooting

 

[Xrated48]

It's the man that shot ppl that's the problem.

Agreed stop blaming the gun but instead we should start by blaming the shooter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A gun could lie on the ground for a million years, and NEVER shoot a person until someone pulled the trigger. Yes, I blame the man who did the shooting

You avoided the question. I will repeat it, encase you missed it. Are you saying the gun had no barring on what he was able to do?

 

[Sawyer]

Agreed stop blaming the gun but instead we should start by blaming the shooter.

We're not blaming the gun. We're blaming the a**holes who fight tooth and nail against any sort of gun regulations, no matter how downright logical they might be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We're not blaming the gun. We're blaming the a**holes who fight tooth and nail against any sort of gun regulations, no matter how downright logical they might be.

And it does not help when so many want to avoid guns roles in these matters. Hence all the deflections. Let's mourn, not discuss. Let's make sure we know someone had to people the trigger, like that keeps a gun from being a deadly weapon that allows deranged and horrible people to do these kind of things.

 

[Marvolo]

I read that they found bomb materials at the home of one of the suspects. If they hadn't had guns they probably would have set off bombs which would have probably resulted in more casualties. As awful as it was we're fortunate they chose to use the guns and not the bombs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I read that they found bomb materials at the home of one of the suspects. If they hadn't had guns they probably would have set off bombs which would have probably resulted in more casualties. As awful as it was we're fortunate they chose to use the guns and not the bombs.

Bombs are potentially more destructive. But they are also harder to use and build. A gun is a pick and go type of weapon. Not much thought necessary once you have it. Dropping off bombs in a crowd full of cops isn't exactly easy, nor does it allow you to kill with precision. The aim was to kill cops and cops only. Can't do that with bombs in a crowd full of people.

 

[jmc]

It's the man that shot ppl that's the problem.

No, it's the culture. If guns are so easily accessible as they are in the US how else do people expect police officers to react? They're not robots.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Wow, they used a bomb bot to kill the sniper after he refused to surrender. Crazy stuff!

They should use insect bots on ISIS.

Pump them with LSD.

Then tell them to chill out or we'll give them AIDS.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What if Bernie Sanders was a leftist terrorist?

"Use the Nordic model or I'll blow the pentagon! Hahaha!"

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah, in addition to my psychology degree.

Why are mental illness and mental disorders two different catagories?

Can you consider someone with antisocial disorder not responsible for criminal acts? Why or why not?

 

[Shawn Wayne]

No, it's the culture. If guns are so easily accessible as they are in the US how else do people expect police officers to react? They're not robots.

It really isn't. When a drunk takes out an entire family driving home, do we blame him? Or the company that produced the alcohol? It's him and his choices.

 

[jmc]

It really isn't. When a drunk takes out an entire family driving home, do we blame him? Or the company that produced the alcohol? It's him and his choices.

How do you expect police officers to not be trigger happy in a nation where guns are so prevalent? If you are brought up in a culture where that is the case you are going to make certain assumptions. The US is ripe for people to be fearful of the lives because of the amount of guns you have. I'm sorry, but it is the culture.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The problem is when someone rather kill an innocent person than be killed by a guilty person.

What would Jesus do?