5 Things That You Would Change About Show:

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

What would I change about the show? Nothing.

 

[The Joker]

eddie brock's motivation to becoming venom was pretty poor if i remember correctly.

also his defeat was relatively easy, parker wasn't even particularly scared by the symbiote and beat him twice.

i wouldn't have had spiderman able to defeat the sinister six by himself.

i wouldn't have had him lose to tombstone either.

made the goblin's design geuinely menacing rather than jokeresque

had parker invent something he needed in battle and lose run out of webbing a bit more in battle.

a couple of hero cameos wouldn't have gone amiss either, probably as their alter egos only.

I concur with these.

 

[November Rain]

@ November Rain
I couldn't agree more! But It's a kids show! so you really can't complain.

animated shows are for everyone, spectacular spiderman definitely wasn't just a children's program, it reached out to adult demographics as well.

we shouldn't let them hide behind the guise of kids shows

 

[November Rain]

oh and the whole kraven turning into a mutant thing, that was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA.

kraven is one of the only members of his rogue gallery that is worth of joining the elite of the batman rogue's gallery and doing this to him is just ridiculous.

 

[Webhead2006]

well greg said if a third season had happened they would have changed kraven back, and really ultimate did same thing for kraven at one point.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

eddie brock's motivation to becoming venom was pretty poor if i remember correctly.

No, it wasn't. Peter and Eddie both lost their parents. Peter was taken in by his aunt and uncle and grew in a loving household. Eddie was orphaned and despite his academic success, was bitter and hateful to his "bro". He eventually was unable to hide his hate for Peter and officially snapped when he bonded with the symbiote.

The execution was a bit rought. But overall, it's far, far better than some loser journalist who lost his job due to his own stupid mistake, or some college kid who hated Peter for killing the black suit, nevermind that he had another version of it.

a couple of hero cameos wouldn't have gone amiss either, probably as their alter egos only.

They couldn't get the rights to do that. The closest we ever got was a "snikt" Wolverine shirt on one of the students.

well greg said if a third season had happened they would have changed kraven back, and really ultimate did same thing for kraven at one point.

No he didn't. He said that the reason they chose to go with Cat Kraven would become clear in the third season. Not that they would change him back.

 

[November Rain]

the clincher was that eddie was fired for being responsible for losing the symbiote

but the symbiote made it back to its container and therefore his life would have been back on track.

that was the poor bit.

the rest didn't particularly matter. And his suddenly quick change to being freaky when out on a date with mj was a wtf moment?

motivation wise, tas was leaps and bounds better and so was it's execution.

as for the hero cameos, this thread is hypothetical anywho since no one can change anything, whether they could or couldn't get the righs, if I could change the show, that's what I would have done to enhance it.

 

[November Rain]

well greg said if a third season had happened they would have changed kraven back, and really ultimate did same thing for kraven at one point.

Just because something bad happened in a comics doesnt make it a good reason to translate it into another medium.

 

[Miss Croft]

animated shows are for everyone, spectacular spiderman definitely wasn't just a children's program, it reached out to adult demographics as well.

we shouldn't let them hide behind the guise of kids shows

Yep, I think similiar. It's addressed at all audience.
But I yet I still think because they made it mainly as a children's program, the prepared the draft in the way they just did. Spidy as superhero who must win against the bad guys.

No, it wasn't. Peter and Eddie both lost their parents. Peter was taken in by his aunt and uncle and grew in a loving household. Eddie was orphaned and despite his academic success, was bitter and hateful to his "bro". He eventually was unable to hide his hate for Peter and officially snapped when he bonded with the symbiote.

The execution was a bit rought. But overall, it's far, far better than some loser journalist who lost his job due to his own stupid mistake, or some college kid who hated Peter for killing the black suit, nevermind that he had another version of it.

I think it's kinda lame, why has an orphan to be predestinated become a freaking devil without spine? I do not like it, how they handled Eddie. He could have had his own moral principle, too, though he was an orphan. But no arguing with the slime at all. Especially after the got the memories, some of his main resentments (Pete's behaviour and sneaking away) should have resulted in him battling with his own anger and the symbiont. I mean, at this point wouldn't it be naturally if he had thought "wtf, little Bro Pete was this Spider-Man superhero, all the time? Risking his life for people, saved Doc Conner etc?"

Well that leads over to another thing I feel like they over used it. Everybody in NY, except Peter Parker, who gets some powers is a.) evil or b.) becomes a lunatic.

In short, what I would have changed:
-not canceling it
-not making Spidy that strong in such a short time
-at least remain Tombstone as an invincible opponent (he was a kind of metaphor of the general crime for me)
-other Eddie story
-not making Gwen looking like an Aunt May clone in the first season

--> in the end, I would prefer a more mature version, but as said before, for kid's show it was pretty good.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Tbh, I probably wouldn't change anything. I mean, I'd definitely turn Kraven back to human form down the line, but other than that, I adored everyhing about this show.

 

[November Rain]

Miss Croft, he did lost against Tombstone in their first encounter

I think that's the only time he truly lost a confrontation unless i'm mistaken, spectacular spiderman almost kicked too much ass (i made this point back in the day and no one seemed to agree with me EVEN WHEN HE TOOK OUT THE ENTIRE SINISTER SIX)

 

[Miss Croft]

November Rain , I do know. Invisible Hand is my all time favourite episode!

I mean, in the long run, he did win against everybody.
And the last time we ever saw Tombstone, he was beaten by Spidy (in my humble opinion, they didn't stay true to the character's core).

Well, I agree with you. It was strange Spidy suddenly kick 6 asses...Alas! In this point it's a real children's show.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

the clincher was that eddie was fired for being responsible for losing the symbiote

but the symbiote made it back to its container and therefore his life would have been back on track.

that was the poor bit.

Eddie was already in a trance with the symbiote. He was starting to bond with it.

the rest didn't particularly matter. And his suddenly quick change to being freaky when out on a date with mj was a wtf moment?

Yeah, that bit was mishandled. Greg even said it could have been better.

motivation wise, tas was leaps and bounds better and so was it's execution.

The thing it got right the most was telling the story of the symbiote and Venom without repeating the overly complicated story of the Secret Wars. Being brought from space by John Jameson was clever (even if it is downright impossible for a space shuttle to be built in NY for obvious reasons).

But Eddie is STILL a poor character. He's just some angry New Yorker who had his life ruined mostly by his own stupid decisions and a bit of bad luck, and suddenly becomes a creepy, homicidal villain who fails to be menacing. At least in SSM he was insane and far more successful at being creepy.

Yep, I think similiar. It's addressed at all audience.
But I yet I still think because they made it mainly as a children's program, the prepared the draft in the way they just did. Spidy as superhero who must win against the bad guys.

Did you watch the same show I did? This show got away with some heavy stuff that a regular children's show wouldn't.

And Spidey ALWAYS winning against the bad guys in this show? Did you see the series finale?

I think it's kinda lame, why has an orphan to be predestinated become a freaking devil without spine? I do not like it, how they handled Eddie. He could have had his own moral principle, too, though he was an orphan.

Except that this execution allow him to have a genuine mental illness and hatred of Peter, as opposed to a poorly written retcon like his original appearance. Not to mention that it makes Eddie a dark reflection of Peter. The big difference was not that Peter had an aunt and uncle to raise him. It was that Peter learned to value life and appreciate it every day, while Eddie learned to value death, and coming out as nearly-suicidal.

That was kind of the point of him pulling himself successfully through college and Connor's assistant. His lack of moral principle wasn't because he was a lonely orphan. It was because he was too focused in his irrational hate of Peter to appreciate his own life.

Besides, the best enemies to a hero are the ones that are a foil to him/hem. Green Goblin and Doc Ock are this. Only the SSM version of Venom is this to Peter beyond the superficial "having the same powers and look" reasons.

But no arguing with the slime at all. Especially after the got the memories, some of his main resentments (Pete's behaviour and sneaking away) should have resulted in him battling with his own anger and the symbiont. I mean, at this point wouldn't it be naturally if he had thought "wtf, little Bro Pete was this Spider-Man superhero, all the time? Risking his life for people, saved Doc Conner etc?"

But you're assuming Eddie ISN'T mentally unbalanced. He doesn't care that Peter is a hero, all that he cares is that, in his POV, Peter has the life Eddie thinks he's entitled to. It's genuinely frightening for someone to think like that, but it also shows how, ultimately, focusing only on revenge is petty and a waste of time. Doc Ock wants revenge on Osborn too, but he doesn't wallow on it. The result? Doc Ock constantly manipulates people around him while building a criminal empire, while Eddie is reduced to a pathetic, raving lunatic that only stops feeling lonely when sharing hatred with an alien creature.

Well that leads over to another thing I feel like they over used it. Everybody in NY, except Peter Parker, who gets some powers is a.) evil or b.) becomes a lunatic.

We were supposed to see Prowler in the third season, though he may not count considering his lack of powers. And if they had been allowed, we would have seen other Marvel heroes cameo once a season, starting with the Human Torch.

--> in the end, I would prefer a more mature version, but as said before, for kid's show it was pretty good.

A more mature version? This is the most mature Spidey cartoon we've gotten so far.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya they got away with alot of subjective language. Take for example the black cat line of spidey goo(webbing) getting in her hair or what ever it was.

Also on the case of the sinster 6 first time he took them out with the symboite suit. The second time he play off on there weaknesses and out smarted them. Something spidey is known for doing.

 

[Mistah K88]

oh and the whole kraven turning into a mutant thing, that was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA.

kraven is one of the only members of his rogue gallery that is worth of joining the elite of the batman rogue's gallery and doing this to him is just ridiculous.

Oh they did add him to Batman's Rouges Gallery in Batman Beyond...in the form of the Stalker...

As for mutating Kraven, Greg said that plans for Kraven were connected with plans for John Jameson. With Miles Warren messing around with genetics, we would probably have seen Man Wolf down the line...

 

[Miss Croft]

Did you watch the same show I did? This show got away with some heavy stuff that a regular children's show wouldn't.

And Spidey ALWAYS winning against the bad guys in this show? Did you see the series finale?

...

A more mature version? This is the most mature Spidey cartoon we've gotten so far.

I did watch the same show you did. Perhaps I focussed different.
Well maybe my "always" is bad choosen, I must admit. But it express and exaggerate how I feel about the show. For me, it's more like he wins. That's the main impression I got.
I know, he failed in his first confrontation with Tombs. And I saw the finale, too. And it was more like, he thought GG is dead, just the audience see this blond Osborn and he's sneaking away...that was a part-win or a temporary-win imo.

Yes, this is "the 5 Things That You Would Change About Show" thread, and i wished for a more mature version. That's the most mature Spidy cartoon so far-yes- but I can still wish. And I see and appreciate the mature parts in it (well in my mother language sync I think they even sometimes translate it even more like "wtf, did she just said that"?!), as I said before, they are speaking to all audience. But I keep with it's mainly for kids. A series planned for an elder clientele would be different conceptualize from the start.

Ah, I don't wanna sound like I don't like TSSM, because I think it's a great series.

GamerSlyRatchet, thanks for the interesting Eddie input

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I did watch the same show you did. Perhaps I focussed different.
Well maybe my "always" is bad choosen, I must admit. But it express and exaggerate how I feel about the show. For me, it's more like he wins. That's the main impression I got.
I know, he failed in his first confrontation with Tombs. And I saw the finale, too. And it was more like, he thought GG is dead, just the audience see this blond Osborn and he's sneaking away...that was a part-win or a temporary-win imo.

See, I don't just count Peter's victories and failures in his Spider-Man life only. As himself, he's also had plenty of defeats. His constant failures to please Jonah in his job, balancing his home life, school life, and his role as Spidey. And in the finale, he lost Gwen, is on the verge of losing one of his best friends, and the fact that the Goblin is still alive and doing well is also a major blow, even if he's unaware of it. Don't forget the fact that he barely even touched Tombstone's empire in the end, despite beating him in combat and getting him investigated.

And even as Spidey, some of his victories end up being meaningless, such as his fight for the Rhino blueprints, or cleaning up the Gang War, only to have Goblin use it to his advantage, and after his "death", going back to square one.

 

[November Rain]

Oh they did add him to Batman's Rouges Gallery in Batman Beyond...in the form of the Stalker...

As for mutating Kraven, Greg said that plans for Kraven were connected with plans for John Jameson. With Miles Warren messing around with genetics, we would probably have seen Man Wolf down the line...

I know, I quite liked him but the original kraven and original batman would have been an immense combination. One's essentially a higher tech version of the other.