The Dark Knight Now that its said and done, what would you change?

[Anita18]

You're an idiot. Please don't come back to this site ever again.

Oh, come on. I 'ed.

 

[Bats]

Of those 30 posted, I think 31 of them are bad. The extra one being the idea for the post in general.

 

[Rolf]

Of those 30 posted, I think 31 of them are bad. The extra one being the idea for the post in general.

Come on now... That means nothing should be changed.

 

[Mr. Earle]

*The overly fussy hostage, doctor, clown prewitt building stuff. Although the location (an empty, deserted skyscrpaer) has grown on me ( i was hoping for a hall of mirrors showdown) the stuff before the joker fight is a bit clunky and gets in the way.

Yeah, lets copy the comics. Lets do nothing original.

*the whole "batman saving the joker's life" thing was fudged. It seems in this scene batman either - a) wants to distrct the joker to get the detonator, then saves his life or b)wants to kill the joker then has second thoughts. which was it???? it should have been made clear. batman should have been frothing mental at the joker (rachel, dent etc) or made a point of reminding himself (and the audience) that he will still not kill. It's as though, again, previous scenes had been forgotten.

He did it because it was effective. He stunned the joker and hanged him upside down.

I mentioned this in another thread, but the only thing I'd change would be the scene where Batman and Rachel plunge 40 stories from the top of a penthouse unharmed. Of all the scenes in the movie, that one requires the most suspension of disbelief. I would have preferred he used his grappling gun to stop their fall. It also makes it ridiculous that they could survive a 40-story fall while Dent couldn't survive a forty-feet fall.

I wholeheartedly agree.

If Batman had tried to use the grappling gun I think his arm would've been ripped off.

It has a mechanism that slows the deceleration. And anyway, it would make more sense than crashing on a car. What is Nolan's problem with car roofs anyway? Did one of them sleep with his wife? How many times does he have to show us a car roof crushed?

 

[ronny]

I would have made The Joker permawhite and not given him the cut smile.
That's about it.
Oh, and gave him short hair after he dresses as the cop. So he becomes more comic-like.
But that is the extent of what I would change. The movie is as close to perfect as a movie can be.

 

[Symbiotic]

Come on now... That means nothing should be changed.

Because nothing should.

 

[Reek]

A few Excelent ideas I had:

1) The Joker would have had white skin, not makeup.

2) The Joker would be more colorful...


3) The Joker's thugs would all look like this:



4) The Joker's second catch-phrase would be "Ok Folks, time to hear some Jokes..."

5) The Joker would sound like a complete idiot when he lectured people on his anarchist philosophy.

6) The Joker would make freequent Jokes.

7) Katie Holmes would play Rachel Dawes.

8) Batman would have his lenses throughout the entire movie after getting his new suit.

9) Gotham City would look more like it did in Gotham Knight.

10) The Scarecrow would wear classy Victorian cloths and a bowler hat.

11) All six episodes of Gotham Tonight would play before the actual film started.

12) Everyone who had participated in the Whysoserious.com scavenger hunts would be cast as the Joker's thugs.

13) Everyone who had participated in Harvey Dent's "Campaign" would be cast as regular civillians.

14) Everyone who had participated in "Operation Slipknot" would be cast as Policemen.

15) The room in which the Joker filmed Brian's excecution would be covered with purple curtains

16) Everyone who received CFB swag (including shirts) would be cast as fake Batmen.

17) Batman would borrow some of Scarecrow's fear gas for use in his interrogation of the Joker.

18) Crispus Allen would appear, played by Will Smith.

19) I was origionally going to say that Sean Bean should have been saved for another role, but he was actually perfect in this movie.

20) Harvey Dent would claim to be a Republican, after he becomes Two-Face however he would be a Republican AND a Democrat.

21) A reference or two would be made to the events of Gotham Knight.

22) Slightly extended courtroom scenes.

23) The Scarecrow would say something along the lines of "Foiled Again" after being captured by Batman to reflect his complete descent into classical villainy.

24) Not nesicarily part of TDK, but Rachel Dawes would come back to life as the Phantasm.

25) There would be some dialoge between Alfred and The Joker.

26) Mr. Lau would role of the pile of money while no one was looking.

27) Wayne Manor would already have been rebuilt and the Batcave improved to fit in with the Gotham Knight continuity.

28) Fear would still be the main theme.

29) The next villains would be forshadowed.

30) The words "To be continued" would appear at the beginning of the End Credits, suggesting that they are going to make a series next.

That is all for now, but it is a two hour movie, I am sure I could find other things.

What do you guys think?

I hope...REALLLLLY HOPE....you found this somewhere, and posted it as a joke...

god save this guy if he actually thought of this stuff.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

A few Excelent ideas I had:

1) The Joker would have had white skin, not makeup.

2) The Joker would be more colorful...


3) The Joker's thugs would all look like this:



4) The Joker's second catch-phrase would be "Ok Folks, time to hear some Jokes..."

5) The Joker would sound like a complete idiot when he lectured people on his anarchist philosophy.

6) The Joker would make freequent Jokes.

7) Katie Holmes would play Rachel Dawes.

8) Batman would have his lenses throughout the entire movie after getting his new suit.

9) Gotham City would look more like it did in Gotham Knight.

10) The Scarecrow would wear classy Victorian cloths and a bowler hat.

11) All six episodes of Gotham Tonight would play before the actual film started.

12) Everyone who had participated in the Whysoserious.com scavenger hunts would be cast as the Joker's thugs.

13) Everyone who had participated in Harvey Dent's "Campaign" would be cast as regular civillians.

14) Everyone who had participated in "Operation Slipknot" would be cast as Policemen.

15) The room in which the Joker filmed Brian's excecution would be covered with purple curtains

16) Everyone who received CFB swag (including shirts) would be cast as fake Batmen.

17) Batman would borrow some of Scarecrow's fear gas for use in his interrogation of the Joker.

18) Crispus Allen would appear, played by Will Smith.

19) I was origionally going to say that Sean Bean should have been saved for another role, but he was actually perfect in this movie.

20) Harvey Dent would claim to be a Republican, after he becomes Two-Face however he would be a Republican AND a Democrat.

21) A reference or two would be made to the events of Gotham Knight.

22) Slightly extended courtroom scenes.

23) The Scarecrow would say something along the lines of "Foiled Again" after being captured by Batman to reflect his complete descent into classical villainy.

24) Not nesicarily part of TDK, but Rachel Dawes would come back to life as the Phantasm.

25) There would be some dialoge between Alfred and The Joker.

26) Mr. Lau would role of the pile of money while no one was looking.

27) Wayne Manor would already have been rebuilt and the Batcave improved to fit in with the Gotham Knight continuity.

28) Fear would still be the main theme.

29) The next villains would be forshadowed.

30) The words "To be continued" would appear at the beginning of the End Credits, suggesting that they are going to make a series next.

That is all for now, but it is a two hour movie, I am sure I could find other things.

What do you guys think?

Obvious troll has made himself obvious.

 

[SheldonLevene]

4) The Joker's second catch-phrase would be "Ok Folks, time to hear some Jokes..."
23) The Scarecrow would say something along the lines of "Foiled Again" after being captured by Batman to reflect his complete descent into classical villainy.
26) Mr. Lau would role of the pile of money while no one was looking.

These are my favorite, they make me smile the most. I assume role of means roll off.

 

[Rolf]

I hope...REALLLLLY HOPE....you found this somewhere, and posted it as a joke...

god save this guy if he actually thought of this stuff.

I'm afraid that I did think of most of this by myself...

 

[Rolf]

4) The Joker's second catch-phrase would be "Ok Folks, time to hear some Jokes..."
23) The Scarecrow would say something along the lines of "Foiled Again" after being captured by Batman to reflect his complete descent into classical villainy.
26) Mr. Lau would role of the pile of money while no one was looking.

These are my favorite, they make me smile the most. I assume role of means roll off.

Thank you...

 

[The Mighty Wind]

Obvious troll has made himself obvious.

Once again folks.

 

[Clark Kent]

19) I was origionally going to say that Sean Bean should have been saved for another role, but he was actually perfect in this movie.

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20) Harvey Dent would claim to be a Republican, after he becomes Two-Face however he would be a Republican AND a Democrat.

.

 

[Anita18]

To be serious, the only thing I would change for sure is how the Pruitt building set piece was staged. I had to watch it like, 5 times on my computer to figure out exactly what the heck was going on, especially in terms of geography. Nolan tends to shoot fight scenes very close, which wasn't as much of an issue in the other fight scenes because Batman wasn't jumping floors and running through numerous groups of people.

 

[chintai80]

To be serious, the only thing I would change for sure is how the Pruitt building set piece was staged. I had to watch it like, 5 times on my computer to figure out exactly what the heck was going on, especially in terms of geography. Nolan tends to shoot fight scenes very close, which wasn't as much of an issue in the other fight scenes because Batman wasn't jumping floors and running through numerous groups of people.

as much as i enjoyed the pruitt building scene, i know what u mean...

i finally saw what was happening after watching that scene like 3x on dvd! they need to show where batman is located in relation to the swat members and joker goons.

 

[I Am The Knight]

-Change Bales Bat-voice

-Change the Bat-suit to look like a Bat-suit, and not a Lego-Batman suit.

-Don't skip from scene to scene so fast, let some things sink in for a second.

-Dont have Batman running around during the day, or around brightly lit areas.(Where did his Ninja training go?).

-Change the Bat-suit

-Show more of Joker, and have him use more sinister jokes.

-Take out Two-Face, and only show the build up to him, so he could be the main villain in the Third movie.

-Change the Bat-suit

-Make Gotham City look like it did in Begins, you know, like Gotham City.

-Make Gary Oldmen do a voice over on the roof scene, cause his accent is coming out STRONG.

-Change the Bat-suit

-Change the actor who did Gambol, cause he did a horrible job.

-Change the SWAT actors, cause they also did a horrible job.

-And one other thing, I just can't remember....oh yeah! Change the Bat-suit.

LOL

SOME of them were meant to be funny, but most are very serious.

So I suppose that only makes you a natural idiot, eh? How's the village going?

And if I ever decide to use it, you might be the first on that list.

Bwhahahaha...

Oh, come on. I 'ed.

Me too. But then I cried

 

[Infinity9999x]

The only big thing I would have wanted to change was, and I'm sure many have said this, Two Face. I wanted to see a movie that truly explored his scarred psyche, obsession with the duality of all things, and his battle between his split personalities. Now, I understand we couldn't have gotten all that in this movie, which is why I had hoped they would keep him alive for the sequel.

 

[BestGirl]

To be serious, the only thing I would change for sure is how the Pruitt building set piece was staged. I had to watch it like, 5 times on my computer to figure out exactly what the heck was going on, especially in terms of geography. Nolan tends to shoot fight scenes very close, which wasn't as much of an issue in the other fight scenes because Batman wasn't jumping floors and running through numerous groups of people.

Yeah, I didn't get that scene at all in the theater. Even after watching the movie two times since I still don't fully understand it. Lucky for me I don't care much about action scenes.

 

[Anita18]

Yeah, I didn't get that scene at all in the theater. Even after watching the movie two times since I still don't fully understand it. Lucky for me I don't care much about action scenes.

It's not as important for that scene as it is for, say, the Slaughter truck chase where each vehicle gets a distinct focus. All you need to know for the Pruitt building is that the SWATs are targeting the wrong people and Batman has to prevent the hostages from getting killed while beating up some Joker goons in the process.

 

[Anita18]

as much as i enjoyed the pruitt building scene, i know what u mean...

i finally saw what was happening after watching that scene like 3x on dvd! they need to show where batman is located in relation to the swat members and joker goons.

After doing some more useless analyzing, I now understand why people think that scene was sloppily directed. It's viscerally exciting (and that's why I accepted it), but for people who actually want to know what's going on, it's very frustrating, and abounds with little continuity errors. Although I'm not sure if you could count them as continuity errors if they simply just don't show you enough info on screen!

For instance, from the way it was staged, it looks like there are only 3 clown hostages the SWAT and Batman are focusing on at the start of the operation. Batman crashes into one of them, who turns out to be Engel. They crash a good 15 feet from the window, yet when Batman turns to look at the other hostages, they seem to be right next to them. He shouldn't have been able to see that their hands were duct-taped from his vantage point.

When the snipers take their shot, Batman manages to drag three hostages out of the way, but it would have to be a different group of hostages. (By taking down Engel, the original group of 3 is now 2.) That's most definitely possible because there were supposedly 50 hostages, but that's not what Nolan seems to present on screen.

As someone also mentioned earlier, the two hostages that Batman throws over the edge and down a floor, reappear later when the three SWAT guys go into the window. He also takes down those three SWAT guys, but then more suddenly appear. Which is possible, since a lot of them were going up the stairs, but...yeah. Confusing, amid everything else that's going on.

Also, six SWAT guys corner Batman, and all six of them are connected to the cord, but only 5 go over the edge. Not to mention there are several instances where Batman's sonar lenses are off when they should have been on.

It makes me think that there were several shots that Nolan deemed unworthy to go into the movie, and he had to save the sequence by doing some clever editing.


I feel like they needed a football-esque diagram with circles, X's and arrows to properly stage that scene.

 

[Doc Samson]

After reading through some of these "posts" I am now even more convinced that the majority of us fans have absolutely no idea of what makes a great movie, regardless of how much love we may have for these characters (and I'm not talking about the intentionally funny ones, I mean the dead-serious "suggestions" lol)

That being said, the only change I would've made was holding off with the full Two-Face reveal, but without that, we miss out on the classic hospital scene & an equally fantastic ending. So in retrospect, the movie may not be perfect, but it's pretty damn close IMO

 

[bulletbillx]

I would have included the joker's toxin that he has had since his first appearance some how. Probably just in the scene where he used poison/acid in someones drink. Or in the bank scene with the smoke grenade turning out to be a joker venom grenade.

His other joke weapons wouldnt really fit the movie. It could have been the result of an abandoned nerve poison project or something and the reason he only uses it once or twice would be that it was expensive/hard to get unlike the gunpowder, bullets, gasoline, etc. As well as him prefering to knife someone like he talked about in the interogation room while taunting that cop.

Other than that and no permawhite (with the scars filling the disfigurement of joker so it was fine with me) It was pretty much perfect.

Eh also maybe had batman's suit be less busy while keeping the plated look or at least made the bat logo bigger (about begins size) somehow.

 

[BestGirl]

I would have made The Joker permawhite and not given him the cut smile.

But then we wouldnt've gotten those "You wanna know how I got these scars?" scenes. "You wanna know how I became permawhite?" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I would have included the joker's toxin that he has had since his first appearance some how. Probably just in the scene where he used poison/acid in someones drink.

Maybe it was Joker venom that he put in the Commish's drink.

 

[Rishi]

Only a few things

- Katie Holmes as Rachel
- Knife in the dead batman guy like was originally shown
- Show the beginning of Gambol's face being cut by the Joker

ummm I think thats about it

 

[BestGirl]

- Katie Holmes as Rachel

I would've preferred having Maggie G in BB.

- Knife in the dead batman guy like was originally shown

Absolutely. I hate that they changed it to a safety pin or whatever it was. I fail to see how a knife in a dead guy's chest is violent enough to push the movie into rated R territory, given that there were scenes where people were shot, thrown off balconies, and set on fire.