6.03 - Wither - Discussion Thread

Last nights show just proved to me why I think SV should end after this season. IMO I think they are reaching now for anything just to keep this show going and the final product isn't looking all to well. I think they should just end it. I mean I really don't see how they can make it through another season with shows like the ones we have been getting over the past 2 seasons. Also as for the Green Arrow goes I like this one not to sure about the outfit but he is okay I just wish he acted more like the Green Arrow I know but hey Bruce Wayne as the Green Arrow is okay I guess.
 
^^Bah dont end it now. . . . .

but if they do I wouldnt mind a GA spin-off.
 
KalKai said:
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Terrible special effects.
 
After sleeping on it, I'm going to give this one a C+.

Loved Hartley in this one and I can't wait for "Arrow". I thought the moment with Clark, Chloe, and Jimmy investigating the hospital room was a nice touch, mainly because it brought to mind Clark/Jimmy/Lois and also Clark/Chloe/Pete in Seasons 1 and 2.

Lana getting it on with Lex makes me sick.

God, Plant Tramp was a hottie. Too bad she was an incredibly generic FOTW.

Clark being lonely sits well with me. Dad's gone, Martha's always busy, Chloe's with Jimmy, Lois is seeing Oliver, Lana's gone, Lex is Lex, and Lionel is back to being whack. Now what? That'll be interesting to watch.

I thought there was some good development here, just it's a shame it was packaged with a really lame A-Plot.
 
Not sure what to think about this episode. Something seemed "off" for a lot of it. I can't tell if it was the writing, acting or direction, but a lot of it didn't sit well with me. The massive amounts of obvious ADR kind of implies that a lot of details were changed after the fact. Anyone know who wrote this one? The names didn't look familiar in the credits, so I guess they're new. Either way, I much prefer the veteran SV writers.

The things I did like:

1. Clark's awkward flirting. It's nice to see hime try to move on, but it's also good to show he doesn't know what he's doing. Clark has never been the instigator in any relationship, so it made sense that he didn't really know how to flirt.

2. Ollie & Lois. All their scenes together were great. I loved Ollie's reaction to Lois' rudeness at the farm, and I also dug his cocky assuredness when Lois came to his apartment. Also, I'm glad they went back and changed Ollie's company back to Queen Industries. I hated "Arrow Industries" when I first saw the clip on cwtv.com.

3. Chloe & Lana's conversation. I really liked Lana finally realizing her flaws. I thought after their conversation Lana would start acting like a decent character again and stop being the insecure, passive agressive girlfriend w/out a clue.

4. The arrow and the soda can. Priceless!

5. Clark's loneliness. Very powerful scene, and nice call back to Pariah with the baseball. Clark really is alone. I don't see this as a regression because the "loneliness" Clark used to feel was very typical teenage angst because the girl he likes didn't like him back (coupled w/ the fact that dude is an alien). This time, though, Clark truly is alone. He even says so in the scene w/ Martha. Jonathan, Jor-El, Lana (and to a lesser extent Chloe and Lois) are all out of his life.

What I didn't like:

1. I stated above that a lot of the ADR was noticable. I don't know why Smallville's overdubbing is so spotty. I understand the need to go back and re-record dialogue, but the trick is in making the changes unnoticable.

2. So far, it feels like Rosey's coasting this season. Is he getting tired of playing Lex? There's just something off about his acting this season. (Though I did like his scene with Clark. That was good.) He isn't bad, but he doesn't have the same energy this season. Maybe it's the Lana effect, and her storyline is dragging him down.

3. Speaking of Lana, I hated that she came back to the party to be with Lex. Now I don't give a crap about "Lexana," if done right, it could be a very intriguing storyline. But the confession Lana gives to Chloe in the prior scene implied that she was going to start getting a clue and stop being the deadweight girlfriend with trust issues. So what does she do? She dives headfirst into a relationship with Lex freakin' Luthor!

4. The FotW was weak. I stated way back in the beginning of this thread how best to make this villain of the week redeemable. Instead of killing her off, all they had to do was send her to Bell Reeve and identify her as "Pamela."

5. Finally, what's the point of a mask if people are going to recognize you so easily. Lex knew it was Ollie Queen right away. ;)


Overall, it was a "meh" episode for me. Wasn't great, but wasn't too terrible, just... off. Compared to episode three of last season "Hidden," it pales in comparison. Next week's, though, promises to be the best DCU Superhero intro in the history of the show!
 
Wow, I didn't think there would be this many people that cared about the costume that Lex wore to a costume party.

I have to say that the episode felt more like just pushing the character of green arrow forward a bit more, and the rest was just fodder.

What was bad in the episode:
1. A senator would of told her only aide that the president of a company was stopping by to discuss giving aide to them. That sat really bad with me.
2. The whole is green arrow interested in lois or not thing was just too much. The series is becomming more and more about who likes who, blah, blah, blah. They're suppose to be out of High school now.
3. Clohe and Jimmy Olsen? Give me a break!
4. The whole prisoner from the phatom zone alien, that almost kills clark, was beaten way to easy. Why didn't Jor-El just zap here with a stun gun?

What was good:
ummmm...... Let me think.....
Green arrow shooting the arrow through the can flip top thing was cool ;)

What would have been a better ending for the episode was Lex, or somone, cleaning up the green house and finding some strange seed or plant and then re planting it.

Couple questions:
Doesn't green arrow have a goatee?
Doesn't he wear a mask? Why is he just wearing sunglasses in the preview for next week? Oh well, maybe they'll get it right when batman is on.
 
RakuMon said:
5. Finally, what's the point of a mask if people are going to recognize you so easily. Lex knew it was Ollie Queen right away. ;)

That's gonna play into some other ongoing (endless :p) discussions later about some core problems with LL in SV
 
RakuMon said:
5. Finally, what's the point of a mask if people are going to recognize you so easily. Lex knew it was Ollie Queen right away. ;)

Man that's an excellent point I didn't consider. How are they going to rectify that??
 
alright so i dont know why you all are hating on this episode, i liked it tons and i if s6 keeps up the pace it will be my fav season yet. The main story this week, wasn't clark, it was all the supporting characters.

but obv since the show is abou tclark, they had to give him something to do. so yes, while he did defeat her a bit to easily, i was willing to let it slide bc i, like the show itself, wasnt as cocnerned with Gloria, as i was with what was going to happen with OQ/Lois, Lex/Lana, and Chloe/Jimmy (speakign of, why didnt she just tase him, rather than de-fib....i didnt get that).

Anyway, the last shot of Clark playing ball i think is the truest shot of "Superman" that we've had yet. Apart from a certain purple elephant in the room, Superman greatest tragedy has always been that he wants so desperately to be human, never can be, and will eventually grow old and die without even being able to reproduce. *ahem*

i think that last shot showed that for all the people who love him, he really is alone. I think now he's come(ing) to grips with that and this season we'll see him embrace it and move past it. Once he does that, theres nothing in the way of the shirt rip.
 
TrailerCues said:
What I wonder is

We know Clark is jealous of Chloe & Jimmy
Will Chloe get jealous of Clark & Raya when Chloe meets Raya ?

I dont think its Clark that's jealous, I think its Jimmy that is jealous of Clark and Chloe's friendship.

Clark just seems to be mildly amused with Jimmy so far.
 
avidreader said:
I dont think its Clark that's jealous, I think its Jimmy that is jealous of Clark and Chloe's friendship.

Clark just seems to be mildly amused with Jimmy so far.

i dont think clark is jealous so much of jimmy as he is upset that he cant have a normal relationship and even his best friend (chloe) now has a relationship which means his relationship with her will be forced to changed, so once again he isnt in control.
 
RakuMon said:
5. Finally, what's the point of a mask if people are going to recognize you so easily. Lex knew it was Ollie Queen right away. ;)

"People" didn't recognize Ollie, Lex did, & normally the 1 who organizes a charity costume ball knows who's attending & who isn't.
 
Kaboom said:
i dont think clark is jealous so much of jimmy as he is upset that he cant have a normal relationship and even his best friend (chloe) now has a relationship which means his relationship with her will be forced to changed, so once again he isnt in control.

You got it right that really is the tragedy of Superman. God like but just wanting a simple honest life with a family. The last shot was actually a really great moment, and fits with what we know so far. (I did as I noted before find some humor in it, but if you cant laugh whats the use)

Over the next few weeks the "loner" Clark angle should be interesting to follow. I just hope they dont go all brooding with it.
 
NHawk19 said:
Over the next few weeks the "loner" Clark angle should be interesting to follow. I just hope they dont go all brooding with it.
Agree wholeheartedly! :up:

As alone as Superman is, he is definitely not a brooder.
Leave that to Batman and cinematic versions of Superman.
 
ok i'm tired of the green arrow ..already.

lois,chloe, evil plant chick..all smokin hot

hey clark..get a girlfriend..ya could have had chloe...but shes gone now...lol
 
RakuMon said:
Agree wholeheartedly! :up:

As alone as Superman is, he is definitely not a brooder.
Leave that to Batman and cinematic versions of Superman.
cinematic Superman isnt brooder
 
Kaboom said:
alright so i dont know why you all are hating on this episode, i liked it tons and i if s6 keeps up the pace it will be my fav season yet. The main story this week, wasn't clark, it was all the supporting characters.

I enjoyed it too. I even liked Gloria as a freak, although to see her fry a little longer at the end would have given the scene a bit more oomph.

I was so relieved to hear Lana blaming herself for her trust issues and not everyone else, like she so often does. That was real character progression for her.

And I can see now how Clark is brought into the Lexana triangle. Lex just cant leave Clark's name out of anything. Everything for Lex always seems to go back to Clark.

I really liked the scene between Lex and Clark in the Greenhouse. Great exchange of dialogue between the two men.

Cant stand watching Lexana have sex, so I hope that was the peak of their relationship and its all downhill from here on out. :whatever:

Loved seeing Lois all geared up in her business suit, she's looking more like Lois Lane every day. :yay:

Clark was so SUPER in this episode. He said all the right things. I like that he's taking off to do his thing without Chloe in tow, and not even giving her a chance to ask to come.

He's alone now and he's going to do a lot of soul searching about his place in the world. He's tried to fit in and be like every other human, but he knows he cant and he's going to really start to question what his place is.

Great character development for every one in this episode.
 
did anyone else notice that MR seemed to be sporting a bit of a pudge?
 
Kaboom said:
i dont think clark is jealous so much of jimmy as he is upset that he cant have a normal relationship and even his best friend (chloe) now has a relationship which means his relationship with her will be forced to changed, so once again he isnt in control.

That too. :yay: :up:
 
Kaboom said:
did anyone else notice that MR seemed to be sporting a bit of a pudge?

I dont ever look that close at him.

I'm really starting to HATE Lex. However, I think I'm supposed to.

.... and Lana you can kiss that identity good bye. Lex aint gonna let you hold on to it babe.
 
It's people like Oliver Queen who contributed to the man Lex Luthor is becoming.

BTW, Lana looked smokin in the Egyptian outfit!
 
daveswb said:
Doesn't green arrow have a goatee?
Doesn't he wear a mask? Why is he just wearing sunglasses in the preview for next week?

Because it's an updated, Smallville take on the character.
 

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