6.04 Arrow - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[thebigtree95]

The sound was off from the video, made for a distracting watch tonight. Looks like I can try to get a better copy since the show will now be repeated on Sunday.

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Loved the episode by the way. Green Arrow is one of my favorites, so his appearance is making me happy. It's going to be fun to watch how his relationship builds with Clark.

 

[Serene]

Oh, it was Tom that had the bad skin?

LOL... Ollie had a zit too, or maybe it's a mole. I'll have to make a cap of it later, but it's funny that we pick up on these things. Pat's right.. I guess it's because we expect these guys to be perfect. Meh.. close enough.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Where to start....

hehe, cmill, where to start exactly.t:

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

anyone else disappointed we didnt get a wet t-shirt shot of Lois when she was getting dunked in that trough? I SO that they were going there with the white shirt





yes, I'm a pig

 

[The Caped Knight]

...


Lois and Clark hating eachother earlier on is NOT something new at all, so I don't get what that argument is. But as Ollie actually mentioned in this episode, Clark may actually be trying to... you know, hide any feelings he has for Lois, and vice versa. It would be utterly stupid for them to outright love eachother from the beginning, especially in a long running show with numerous arcs and storylines. Even Superman: TAS never did that. Lovebirds is not something that Lois and Clark were when they met. That's who they gradually became, OVER TIME. This show is not doing anything different by any means with that, apart from backtracking it a few years.

1. Lois & Clark don't hate each other [right now their relationship is on the Independent Sister & Overprotective Brother relationship.]

2. In Every Incarnation of Superman [Lois & Clark go throught three stages in their realtionship before their become soulmates]

First of we have the famous love triangle between [Lois Lane/SUPERMAN & Clark Kent][Lois fall's madly head over heels in love with SUPERMAN.] [As SUPERMAN, Clark is able to express his true feelings for Lois]


1. love/hate - [Clark falls in love with Lois at first sight]/[Lois look's at clark and is not impressed with what she see]

2. Rivials - [Lois & Clark Become The Daily Planet's number 1 Ace reporting team, after butting heads to get the story and byline. Perry Teams them up after seeing they make a great team together and not divide.]

3. Best friends - [After Years of working together the two reporters become real close and the best of friends. that they begin to fall both madly in love with each other]

4. Super romance/Super Couple/Soulmates - [by this time Lois fell madly in love with The Farmboy, and not so much the Man Of Steel. So by the time she found out that her Farmboy "Smallville" is in fact her Flyboy. She loved The Man behind the cape, more than The Man in the cape. and so she got married to her Farmboy/alien and they've been happly married ever since for over 10 years]

In Fact this month is Their 10th Wedding Anniversary [In The comics & The Tv Series Lois & Clark].

 

[thebigtree95]

In Fact this month is Their 10th Wedding Anniversary [In The comics & The Tv Series Lois & Clark].

Smallville made its debut 5 years ago this week. Coincidence, I think not.

 

[Serene]

anyone else disappointed we didnt get a wet t-shirt shot of Lois when she was getting dunked in that trough? I SO that they were going there with the white shirt

LOL! That honestly didn't even occur to me.

I was impressed with the level of violence they were inflicting on Lois. It was a very realistic scene, and not one I could imagine them doing with either Chloe or Lana.

Lois - I was really happy with her in this episode. Actually, I was happy with pretty much all of the characters. I'll have to fill in the details later.

 

[Cmill216]

Lois - I was really happy with her in this episode. Actually, I was happy with pretty much all of the characters. I'll have to fill in the details later.

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

 

[Kaboom]

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

i was thinking the exact same thing

 

[The Caped Knight]

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

That was 100 % Lois Lane.

And based on tonights episode [By "Justice" Lois will find out Oliver is Green Arrow] which will end her relationship with him. [Their playing it excatly like Bruce Timm "BATMAN/SUPERMAN movie" "World's Finest" Lois has a relationship with Bruce Wayne when he comes to Metropolis [And Clark is Jealous as hell as well as concered for Lois safety]. He short lived romance with Bruce ends when she discovers he's BATMAN. [not to mention after this story arc in the rest of the series of SUPERMAN : THE ANIMATED SERIES, after Bruce telling Clark to take a chance and being to open up to Lois about his true feelings he has for her. Clark/SUPERMAN does it so by JL/JLU Lois is Superman's girlfriend and Clark Kent has become good friends with Lois.]

 

[Batgort]

I really liked when Clark first encountered Oliver Queen on the motorcycle, acting so stern to him and the 'you owe me one' line -- I hope this, just like the last scene, starts to build a great green arrow / superman dynamic, just like we have a superman/batman dynamic.

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

I agree that the Lois-looking-for-green-arrow-identity bits were classic Lois, and really gave Erica Durance a chance to shine as the character of Lois Lane.

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

 

[Batgort]

[ double post ]

 

[thebigtree95]

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

Excellent stuff, nice post.

Not giving Green Arrow a chance would have been like people not giving Batman a chance just because he was the opposite of Superman.

 

[Serene]

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

Really nice post, and great points Batgort.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I really liked when Clark first encountered Oliver Queen on the motorcycle, acting so stern to him and the 'you owe me one' line -- I hope this, just like the last scene, starts to build a great green arrow / superman dynamic, just like we have a superman/batman dynamic.

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

I agree that the Lois-looking-for-green-arrow-identity bits were classic Lois, and really gave Erica Durance a chance to shine as the character of Lois Lane.

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

good stuff You should post here more often

 

[Cmill216]

In rewatching it, I absolutely loved everything about Tom's performance in that scene between Clark and GA. There was a bit of Superman-like confidence in his stance and the way he impeded GA from walking any further.

 

[Cmill216]

Things I Noticed When I Rewatched It #2:

I loved the moment where both Clark and Ollie's cells/devices go off, both with alerts. Two heroes getting the call, so to speak.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Anyone else think "Arrow Cave?"

I'll have to give my review later, but this was my favorite episode so far this season.t:

 

[The Caped Knight]

Excellent stuff, nice post.

Not giving Green Arrow a chance would have been like people not giving Batman a chance just because he was the opposite of Superman.

That part of the reason BATMAN & SUPERMAN are The World's most popular recognizable and iconic superheroes. [Batman is the compleate opposite to Superman] Bruce Wayne is the compleate opposite to Clark Kent [However they both have a lot in common in fact some writter refer to them as Brothers]






Which is why many fans inculding myself would love to see these two meet face to face [pre-BATS, Pre-SUPS] besides the fact their the core group of The DCU and thier the two main leaders of The Justice Leauge. Having Bruce on the show would be an historical moment for both the series and in The DCU.

Out of all The DCU superhero BATS is fan favorite to guest star .

 

[Poetic Chaos]

When Will Lana Die?!?!?!

 

[Gold Samurai]

When Will Lana Die?!?!?!

......when the writers decide that she's no longer needed.

The way I see it lana has to pass through all the bad (lex betrayal, lies deceit,etc) to finally end up at the good( a quiet life in Smallville while everyone is off in Metropolis) at least thats the way I would end it.

 

[avidreader]

Hee!
So nice to see that we still share a brain on a few things.

I think there is an intentional ambiguity to our new Ms. Lana....I kinda love it.

LOVED this ep too. I need to rewatch it later, but man.. did they put a LOT into this episode, and the balance was just about perfect. I prefer a bit more Clark in my shows, but since this was an ep to intro Ollie, I can let it slide.. This time.

A couple of more scenes with Clark and it would have been right up there with my favourites. I just cant go through a whole Act with only one Clark scene.

And that's an interesting observation by you and Triplet regarding Lana. Cause I was thinking, WTH!

Loved that last scene with Ollie and Clark in the Loft. Perfection!

And Clarkie made up for the zit in the first scene by looking absolutely perfect in the last one.

Kai, definitely need to screen cap that. Love white T-shirt Clark. :heart:

 

[MJZ]

Best episode of the season by far. Loved everything about it.

And those dastardly Luthors!

 

[TrailerCues]

Thinking about it I think Lana knows she is being tested & she is "choosing" to do the things Lex would think Lana would not normally do. Come on you just know there were cameras in that elevator (owned by Lex) Lana would have to be an idiot to not know that & also with the fact that she did not seem surprised one bit that Lex knew she betrayed him & I wonder if now Clark & Oliver will start hanging out a bit starting to become buddies

 

[Serene]

Okay.. one more point, now that I've rewatched the ep: What the hell are they doing with Lois and Chloe's relationship? More specifically, this is the second ep that I thought Chloe was showing signs of cousin-envy.

And talking Lois into "trusting" her.. then almost bragging to Clark about how she "may have forgot to tell Lois.." about the image of the crest that she was able to render. Man..I wonder if they are trying to build resentment and envy between those two. It's really just an extension, I suppose, of what we saw at the end of "Facade" when Lois was ruffling Clark's wet hair, and Chloe looked on with an "Oh, ****.. not again" look on her face.