6.04 Arrow - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[King Ruler]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.

 

[Cmill216]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.

A.) I liked the GA voice.

B.) Lois is living in the Talon apartment, I believe.

C.) Alan Ritchson, who played AC in "Aqua", is suppose to be reprising the role.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

ha that would be funny. It would be a second time that actor would get replaced

 

[Syncos]

Loved this episode, especially the whole "The Dark Green Knight" thing they've got going on. if they can't have Bats, they're doing a good job of giving Ollie his characteristics, while keeping ollies actual intentions true to character.

few points of 'dark green knight'
- Ollies batman voice as GA
- Ollies ossam glasses.
- When he was standing on the rooftop about to steal the last item, there was definitly a batman-esk score playing
- "How did this green arrow bandit get passed you?" "... he had a lot of gadgets..."

i'm lovin it.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.

That's the point Their making up for the fact since Bruce Wayne/BATMAN can't come on as guest star . Their using Oliver Queen as their back up plan to make up for the lost on Bruce Wayne/BATMAN's appearence .

Btw Way you forgot all The BATMAN type music that was in every GA scene .

 

[avidreader]

I'm going to keep saying it, i like the MBi

Do you like the MBi?

I must admit that I like her being proactive, instead of reactive.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's the point Their making up for the fact since Bruce Wayne/BATMAN can't come on as guest star . Their using Oliver Queen as their back up plan to make up for the lost on Bruce Wayne/BATMAN's appearence .

Btw Way you forgot all The BATMAN type music that was in every GA scene .

As I said before if they really wanted Bruce Wayne they could have just had him there under another name that Bruce used while travling the world. But another hero comes on to the show and gets the SV treatment as well.

 

[The Caped Knight]

As I said before if they really wanted Bruce Wayne they could have just had him there under another name that Bruce used while travling the world. But another hero comes on to the show and gets the SV treatment as well.

That's true . In BTAS episode "Zatanna" In The Flashback scene with Young Bruce While he was still traveling around the world went under the name of "John Smith" only While staying with Zatara : The Magician .

[ Zatara: The magician was the one who taught him everything their is to knows about escape artistry.] [Bruce also had a short lived relationship with Zatara's gorgeous daughter Zatanna, while thier.]

 

[Eddie Brock]

Lana= served her purpose, time to go!

THANK YOU

 

[Kaboom]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RakuMon]

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

This is from my post earlier today:

"3. Get Lois OUT of the Talon. NOW! Seriously, why is she living at the Talon? Get her an apartment in Metropolis. Have her room w/ Chloe. And you don't even need to build a new set. Just redress the Talon apartment and call it an apartment that overlooks Metropolis. Esp. since Lois is working at the Inquisitor (even if she's only freelancing for now), it only makes sense to get her out of Smallville. Seriously, why did those thugs drive her three hours just to waterboard her? And how did Ollie get their so fast? All these distance inconsistencies can be solved very easily if Lois lived in Metropolis."

 

[Eddie Brock]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

Lana = deserves green arrow to the temple (accidental, premeditated, doesn't matter)

 

[ssj wolverine]

Looking at the episode again in regards to Lex and Lana, I have a new perspective on Lana. Maybe she hasn't crossed to the dark side but she may have realized this was a test all along. If that was the case she is a bigger idiot than I thought. She feels the need to continuously jump through hoops to prove herself to Lex makes her even more pathetic. More than likely there will be a point when she snaps out of it and can't be with Lex anymore goes crawling back to Clark and Clark spits in her face. A guy can dream can't he?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's true . In BTAS episode "Zatanna" In The Flashback scene with Young Bruce While he was still traveling around the world went under the name of "John Smith" only While staying with Zatara : The Magician .

[ Zatara: The magician was the one who taught him everything their is to knows about escape artistry.] [Bruce also had a short lived relationship with Zatara's gorgeous daughter Zatanna, while thier.]

Correct which is why I say you can have Bruce Wayne and not mess things up. Instead of Green Arrow a.k.a Batman in another outfit show up to the Batman theme at that.

 

[blksuperman2]

- "How did this green arrow bandit get passed you?" "... he had a lot of gadgets..."

i'm lovin it.

Loved that. Where does he get those wonderful toys?

 

[Dark_Lord]

Awesome episode.

 

[The Caped Knight]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

For 5 FREAKING season she was the center the damn show [she had so much freaking screen time it wasn't even funny. Almost if not all the Goddamn male of Smallville worshiped the damn ground she walked upon. The Shows freaking Lanaville ENOUGH IS ENOUGH she's had her time.]

Now it's time for SUPERMAN [meaning, Lois,Clark,Lex,Metropolis and all things related to Superman] to rise and take over . t:

 

[AgentPat]

LOL@KE8 getting all bent out of shape.

We luv ya dood.

 

[Marcus M.]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.

Unlocking the Cage
Remember Superman Lives, the film that was supposed to star Nicholas Cage? Do you care? Well, me either. That is until I read a short interview with former Superman Lives concept artist Brian Lawrence at http://www.superman-v.com and I realized just how close we came to seeing this on screen..

http://superman.ws/FanArt/concept.php

 

[The Caped Knight]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.

I only want to see this suit .

 

[The Caped Knight]

LOL@KE8 getting all bent out of shape.

We luv ya dood.

lol Pat thanks . t:

 

[blksuperman2]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.

Unlocking the Cage
Remember Superman Lives, the film that was supposed to star Nicholas Cage? Do you care? Well, me either. That is until I read a short interview with former Superman Lives concept artist Brian Lawrence at http://www.superman-v.com and I realized just how close we came to seeing this on screen..

http://superman.ws/FanArt/concept.php

No offense. But these are awlful.

 

[The Sage]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Arrow"

Ollie boma-ye! Ollie boma-ye!

It's all about the Ollie.

Was it me, or was this episode very Batman 1989-ish? With the mystery surrounding Green Arrow and the reveal at the end?

Let's get down to business.

.90 Run? I'd say so.

The Good -

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow. My first thoughts initially from his debut was..."they used the same cheesy vigilante music from that episode with the stupid Huntress ripoff! Hahaha!!" Fortunately I was jumping to conclusions, as that generic Elfman theme was only heard once. I initially thought the shot of Green Arrow ascending up the Luthor Corp looked cheap. Upon second viewing, it looked much better. The debut of the Emerald Archer was handled very well, from his stealing to his one-line quips to his trick arrows.


A very famous staple in his myth, the trick arrows are just as revered as the batarangs. I was hoping to see the boxing glove arrow , but no go. Maybe next time.

They also have alluded to Ollie's origin:


To my knowledge, Ollie landed on a deserted island after being washed overboard during an ocean cruise. I never read anything about his parents, so can't say whether this is right or not. But it's another great tie-in.

I loved the pacifist/fascist comment, and I hope to hear more about Ollie's political stance since that's one of the things he's known for. He was kinda Batman-ish, though that is to be expected. Crossbow was sweet, the regular bow was borderline ridiculous and almost had me flashing back to some of the crazy utlity belt gimmicks from Batman incarnations. But, it worked. Ollie's a millionnaire, so using he'd have the money to fashion a weapon like his bow. I've got comments on the costume for later. The voice synthesizer...nice touch.

I'm also digging the Green Arrow theme, or whatever gets played when Ollie is on screen. It has a swashbuckling flair to it which suits the character. Being a fan of Robin Hood and Zorro, it pulls my heart a bit.

Lex was smooth this week, and this is two weeks where I have been happy with Lex. His paranoia for Lana is well-warranted considering his last relationship ended with a nasty betrayal.

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was). Ollie seems to be the one who will take Clark on the next step towards heroism, having going out helping people instead of waiting for someone to come to him like he's a private eye. Clark being concerned for Lois dating someone leading a double-life...good. He's experienced the consequences of it with Lana and knows how it will end. More specifically, it sets up the future romance with Lois, as he knows that he has to be completely honest with her in order for the relationship to work. Speaking of metaphors...

Hey, Lana seemed interesting for once.

The double-life metaphor was all over the place. Clark Kent - Smallville farmboy/superpowered alien; Lois Lane - Inquisitor writer/Chief of Staff. Oliver Queen - Boy millionnaire/Robin Hood styled vigilante. Then you have Lana playing Lex and showing new sides to her character. And of course, you have to wonder if Lionel really is leading a double-life himself.

The Bad:

One thing that annoyed me was Clark's reason for entering the investigation: He doesn't want his mother to be in debt to Lionel. Didn't make any sense to me. Lionel gives Martha a necklace to wear for the ball, he loans it to her. It gets stolen. Don't see how she would be in his debt. Just seemed like a forced way for Clark to get involved. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.


The Queen coat of arms' shot made it way too obvious that it would be important to the story, especially since they hung the camera on it too long. You knew it would get referenced later. Nothing serious.

While Lana being curious about the technology made for interesting development, especially with the intentions of protecting Lex, her blackmailing people? Don't buy it. Felt way out of character for her. I can't imagine her blackmailing anybody. It felt very awkward. And maybe I don't remember, but did she know about the technology in Lex's possession before moving in?

Clark had me rolling my eyes this week. First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct? Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?

Ollie gets defensive when Clark questions Green Arrow's code of honor. Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

Other thoughts:
I also found it funny that Lionel told Clark it's not wise to advertise your vulnerabilities, then later on Clark advertises his powers to Green Arrow. Some neat foreshadowing.

Does it anger Chloe that she's stuck writing obituaries in the basement while her cousin Lois, who is just now doing journalism while Chloe's been doing it since high school, is now writing headlines? Yeah, it's a tabloid, but it's a headline. Then top it off that Lois asks her to help with research. Feel the burn!!

The costume: I thought it looked like something an action figure would wear when basing it off of the stills. Seeing it in action and movement, I think it works great. A modern take on the classic GA/Robin Hood look.




If I had to nitpick anything, it'd be the gloves and the sunglasses. See above comments about the gloves. I think he should've worn a domino mask. He's Green Arrow, not Blade. And I don't think it would've looked anymore ridiculous. How could the mask stick to his face? Spirit gum. Batman & Robin sucks, but I like how they designed Nightwing's mask. Maybe a dark green mask could've worked. With lenses that have nightvision. Those starlight lenses that are the rage with millionnaire vigilantes. Too campy? Umm, hello, trick arrows?

In his early days, Ollie didn't have a beard. So he used a fake one when he went out as Green Arrow. Wish that was incorporated here. Would've made it even better.

Clark's thinking issues and Lana blackmailing people aside, this was a very good episode, especially because of Hartley's work as Green Arrow. I'm guessing this arc will carry first part of the season, which is great but kinda sad and awkward at the same time.

****1/4 stars for this one.

 

[KalKai]

Hey Kai

do you have the Gif of Lois Frontpage headline of The Green Arrow [near the end of the episode ]

also The two Lois & Green Arrow scenes [the one at the beginining of the episode & The one of the roof where Lois kicks his ass]

 

[Prognosticator]

Have any of you read Identity Crisis ? I really loved it and thought Green Arrow was really the central character in it and his depiction was really well written in my opinion.

Yeah, a GREAT mini that got me back into the DCU in a big way and also pulled me into buying to GA each month.