The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

[The Joker]

The dialogue for the prologue is expository. It's not "good" dialogue in the least. The agent's dialogue is absurd. People simply don't talk like that. Not in the real world. Hence my Bond film statement.

Nor is TDKR having the same prologue weaknesses as TDK appropriate. They should have learned from the weaknesses in the previous film's prologue and bit parts (over the top acting and clunky dialogue) and corrected them. They apparently didn't.



Restraint. Especially from an established actor like this. He's a decent actor, and has done much better, but he's AWFUL here. Yelling his lines even after the plane doors are closed? It's just absurd. There are ways to play "arrogant *****e" without reducing it to an utter cliche and playing it over the top, awkwardly, and loudly. This performance doesn't even belong in this relatively serious scene. He's OVERacting to the point of distraction, which is just as bad as not acting enough.

Acting is about balance, not about randomly stressing words so it seems like you're being emotional. It's about finding a realistic and appropriate level of emotion. He failed to do so given the context of the scene.

Now, maybe as an actor, he's trying to make a splash as a character actor, but I guarantee you he made the wrong impression for any serious filmmaker. Had he used some restraint in his performance, the scene almost works. He could still be a little over the top, a little "arrogant *****e". Just not as MUCH.

He's pretending to be a big man? Well, yeah. He IS a big man. While everyone has flaws, with the CIA, you don't get to that level and be completely useless. He's in charge on some level of the CIA. I get that. He's posturing. Does that mean that every aspect of the man has to scream "arrogant amateur"?

Bane is apparently a mercenary, which makes this guy the "good guy". I can't be happy that a CIA agent dies just because he's annoying.

Here's the thing. Whether he's supposed to be a superarrogant *****e or not...

There's no REASON for him to be. Bane is the VILLAIN. Bane doing what he does it supposed to be imrpessive by itself, not just because he's doing it to a *****e.

It'd be one thing is this guy was irritating comic relief, and around for a decent portion of the film, and developed as such. He's not. There's no reason for him to be like this, and no payoff for this type of character this early in the film. So why is this type of character in the film?

If Nolan ends up using this to make us "hate" the CIA for some stupid and incredibly tired "The CIA was in on it all along" plot twist, then I really have issues with this sequence. Because if you can't make us dislike something without it being loud and annoying, you shouldn't be using that element.

Bottom line is that it ends up being lazy, awkward filmmaking, and doesn't belong here. Honestly, its watching performances like this that makes me think Nolan does't quite have the sensibilities for directing actors that some people think he does.

As much as I'd like to be happy that the CIA guy was a *****e and paid for it...I can't be. The guy was going to pay anyway. Now it just seems like Bane managed to take out a bunch of pushovers. Wow. Hell of a mercenary. Now compare that to COUNTLESS scenes of CAPABLE characters being overcome by villains. Which is more satisfying?

You haven't lost your touch, Guard

 

[Boom]

Directing extras and actors in bit roles hasn't really been Nolan's strong suit in his recent cinematic endeavors.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of these characters are written as cliche-riddled garbage.

 

[Nevincer]

Directing extras and actors in bit roles hasn't really been Nolan's strong suit in his recent cinematic endeavors.

True statement.

 

[Boom]

"Eh. It's a small role. Do whatever you want. We're really only focusing on [insert main actor]."

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Harvey Dent press conference was perhaps the worst.

 

[craigdbfan]

Things are worse than EVER!

 

[Boom]

The Harvey Dent press conference was perhaps the worst.

Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

"Eh. It's a small role. Do whatever you want. We're really only focusing on [insert main actor]."

Didn't Nolan state something awhile back indicating that he does interfere with the extras' and minors' acting because he believes it adds a layer of grounded realism?

That would explain why his extras and minor characters always suck.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.

Things are worse than EVER!

Ugh.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Didn't Nolan state something awhile back indicating that he does interfere with the extras' and minors' acting because he believes it adds a layer of grounded realism?

That would explain why his extras and minor characters always suck.

He should probably change that. It just adds a layer of overacting.

 

[Boom]

Didn't Nolan state something awhile back indicating that he does interfere with the extras' and minors' acting because he believes it adds a layer of grounded realism?

That would explain why his extras and minor characters always suck.

And now it's only a matter of time before someone jumps into this conversation with a long-winded tirade about how we aren't real fans and all we ever do is ***** and moan.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

He should probably change that. It just adds a layer of overacting.

Agreed. I comprehend what he's going for but there's a reason why a minor character gets minor lines, most of the time anywho.

And now it's only a matter of time before someone jumps into this conversation with a long-winded tirade about how we aren't real fans and all we ever do is ***** and moan.

It's not like we don't appreciate Nolan's work. I'm a Nolanite but I can't see past his flaws as the film-maker he is today. Every director has flaws, and Nolan is still relatively young in his career. For Chris, there is a ton of room for improvement.

 

[Brain Damage]

I think I must be the only one who doesn't get bothered by small bits like the above mentioned press conference.
Sure, some of them are a little bit goofy, but other than Bale's voice with the Joker at the very end of TDK and some of Holme's scenes, nothing ever takes me out of the experience, performance wise.
Maybe I just have low standards or maybe everyone here just nitpicks the **** out of everything way too much.

 

[Boom]

I think I must be the only one who doesn't get bothered by small bits like the above mentioned press conference.
Sure, some of them are a little bit goofy, but other than Bale's voice with the Joker at the very end of TDK and some of Holme's scenes, nothing ever takes me out of the experience, performance wise.
Maybe I just have low standards or maybe everyone here just nitpicks the **** out of everything way too much.

Well, when you've watched the film so many times over so many years, I think nitpicking is inevitable.

I concede that I over-analyze trivial things at times, but I don't apologize for it. That's just what I do. In the case of the press conference scene, I hated the over-actors the first time I saw the film, and the years have done nothing to improve it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bale's Batvoice was 'so-so' in TDK. In my opinion, Nolan over-edited the voice.

At the cost of Bale's voice though, I hoped they went back to the BB voice.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, the voice complaints are now going to be reserved for Bane

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah, the voice complaints are now going to be reserved for Bane

 

[KRIM]

Didn't Nolan state something awhile back indicating that he does interfere with the extras' and minors' acting because he believes it adds a layer of grounded realism?

That would explain why his extras and minor characters always suck.

Correction; they suck in his Batman movies. I see little to no indication of the same sort of overreaction or goofy inserts in any of his other films. That is what's most irksome about their existence. They were written and directed to be that way. Ironically, it's a vivid callback to the comic book page where you'd expect that type of thing. Unfortunately on film, and with the tone this series has gone for, it really stands out.

 

[Boom]

In the case of the TDKR prologue,

The guy was hamming it up and over-acting to the max. You can justify it however you want, but the end result was an incredibly obnoxious and over-the-top performance that I have zero desire to see. The guy pretty much kills any tension the scene was trying to create. In a scene that should have been both soaked in suspense and dread, I was just waiting impatiently for Bane to shut that ****er up. To me, that's a problem.

You can go on and on about how the character was supposed to be an arrogant *****ebag, but for me the actor was a distraction and took away from the scene. And the hamfisted dialogue really didn't help.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Correction; they suck in his Batman movies. I see little to no indication of the same sort of overreaction or goofy inserts in any of his other films. That is what's most irksome about their existence. They were written and directed to be that way. Ironically, it's a vivid callback to the comic book page where you'd expect that type of thing. Unfortunately on film, and with the tone this series has gone for, it really stands out.

That is an exceptional observation. When I really think about it, Nolan's Batfilms are the only films that harness that type of godawful acting/overacting in his filmography. It is quite feasible, I'll say that.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

In the case of the TDKR prologue,

The guy was hamming it up and over-acting to the max. You can justify it however you want, but the end result was an incredibly obnoxious and over-the-top performance that I have zero desire to see. The guy pretty much kills any tension the scene was trying to create. In a scene that should have been both soaked in suspense and dread, I was just waiting impatiently for Bane to shut that ****er up. To me, that's a problem.

You can go on and on about how the character was supposed to be an arrogant *****ebag, but for me the actor was a distraction and took away from the scene. And the hamfisted dialogue really didn't help.

At least Bane snapped his trachea with his fist in the end...

And it's a shame. I like Aiden as an actor too.

 

[Brain Damage]

In the case of the TDKR prologue,

The guy was hamming it up and over-acting to the max. You can justify it however you want, but the end result was an incredibly obnoxious and over-the-top performance that I have zero desire to see. The guy pretty much kills any tension the scene was trying to create. In a scene that should have been both soaked in suspense and dread, I was just waiting impatiently for Bane to shut that ****er up. To me, that's a problem.

You can go on and on about how the character was supposed to be an arrogant *****ebag, but for me the actor was a distraction and took away from the scene. And the hamfisted dialogue really didn't help.

Personally, I thought he was a lot less annoying and less than the bank manager in TDK and his "WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?!?!11?!1?!"

But then again, CIA *****e had a bigger role, so I can understand the criticism, even if it doesn't bother me.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't really put much thought into the CIA guy one way or another in truth, but I also never had the issues some have with the SWAT van guy or the bank robber with Joker line.

 

[Boom]

I didn't really put much thought into the CIA guy one way or another in truth, but I also never had the issues some have with the SWAT van guy or the bank robber with Joker line.

It's all that pot you smoke, Hunter .

 

[Bluesummers]

I didn't really mind any specific deliveries in TDK. :? They're all characters to me.

The only moment I facepalm and get embarassed is when Rachel is screeching over the walkie to Harvey. Oh God. Every. Time.

"HaaaAaArveey, thank GooOOOod you're aAalIiIIve..."

AGH!