85th Annual Academy Awards (2013)

[747]

Damn, there are so many amazing film experiencess I would have been without if not for subtitles, thank god for them. Reading subtitles is something you get used to, it's not something I am aware of doing when watching a film.

To claim that subtitles is a cheap gimmick and that foreign films shouldn't be allowed to be oscar nominated is incredibly ignorant. Even if you don't personally like subtitles.

Without that cheap gimmick, I probably wouldn't even be here today as a film fan. The world is bigger than America, believe it or not.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Looking at the noms again, I am rather surprised to see Robert Richardson's work on Django Unchained being recognized. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good looking film, but did he really deserve it over Mihai Malaimare jr. for the Master?

 

[marvelman2006]

It's pretty funny that the one who says movies with subtitles shouldn't be nominated for Best Picture is telling other people to grow up.

Not to mention calling movies with subtitles "a cheap gimmick".

I said movies here that are far better in terms of wider acceptance. Ill be brutally honest with you Parker Wayne, I would see skyfall, Django, silver linings and zero dark thirty a 100 million times over before I ever sat down to watch Amour or beasts of the southern wild. in 10 years who do you think people will remember more out of this best picture group as of right now?

 

[danoyse]

How about everyone quit sniping at each other, before the infractions start going out?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The Oscars have nothing to do with what's widely accepted with the GA. It's what they think is the best movies of the year.

I'm struggling to think what you're even saying anymore because you're all over the place. Are you against foreign language movies or are you against them being nominated? Because you keep flipflopping between you're trying to argue for. Either way, are you trying to prove that people don't watch them so they shouldn't get nominated? Are you saying that they shouldn't get nominated because they're not good?

Either, it's the opinion of the academy, not a popularity contest. The academy's history dictates that.

 

[747]

I'm also here as a film fan today for movies like Star Wars and Jaws, the difference is that without subtitles I wouldn't have understood a single whole sentence from them.

And I'm glad I grew up in a country that favored subtitles over dubbing in live action movies.

Of course your experiment would go in your favor. Cause the biggest reason that many people in the USA don't like subtitles is because they don't expose themselves often enough to it or have been while growing up (only natural since english spoken movies are such a big power in the western world). I mean it can't be that people in the rest of the world has a better ability inborn to read subtitles.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Agreed. And it's not what Marvelman wants, it's what the academy wants. They are willing to read, and they like Amour. They felt it was good enough to get nominated. Marvelman hates the movie for no reason other than it's a foreign language movie. I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with him saying that other people shouldn't watch it and it shouldn't be nominated for BP because it has subtitles.

 

[747]

And yeah, you are flipflopping, sometimes it seems you are just dissing, for you, foreign movies in general. Which seems even more ignorant. Again, even if you don't personally like them.

Americans have an inborn ability to make better movies than the rest of the world too? Is that why it is widely regarded that directors like Bergman, Kurosawa and Hitchcock are some of the best and most influental moviemakers ever? Why can't a foreign movie per say be just as great as an american one?

And I'm saying this as one who loves Hollywood and american movies.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And yeah, you are flipflopping, sometimes it seems you are just dissing, for you, foreign movies in general. Which seems even more ignorant. Again, even if you don't personally like them.

Americans have an inborn ability to make better movies than the rest of the world too? Is that why it is widely regarded that directors like Bergman, Kurosawa and Hitchcock are some of the best and most influental moviemakers ever? Why can't a foreign movie be just as great as an american one?

Agreed. And then he says The King's Speech and The Artist shouldn't get nominated because they're foreign, which goes against pretty much everything he's been saying about why he doesn't like foreign movies. Neither of them do not speak another language, so is his problem against subtitles, or movies that aren't made in general.

It seems that MM is just bitter that one of his favorite movies didn't get nominated and a foreign movie did.

It's a movie forum version of "They took our jobs!".

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

yeah a bunch of 60 plus year old voters telling the world there personal opinion in a hollywood circle jerk. Im saying it looks bad that they have to pull a film out of there hat that noone saw over other well deserving films that recieved just as much critical praise. Not to mention on a side note in this debate that were arguing over something out of our control here. Im saying how broke there system is and how out of touch the academy in general is and this goes back to even glaring moments where they fuzzed up giving BP to SIL over saving private ryan, or giving jeff bridges an award because he was over due. You know as well as I do it doenst matter what I like or believe in as the same with you because most of these awards are bought anyway. If the oscars wanted to bring back some credibility then bring in younger members or do it a certain way where the GA could vote from a specific pool of movies and that determine the winner.

Amour has received as much critical praise. And if you think younger members won't vote in foreign movies, you're wrong there. In fact, they'd be more inclined to do so. It has nothing to do with how much money a movie makes or popularity at the B.O.

Also, they do have an awards where people can vote. It's called the People's Choice Awards.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Also, they do have an awards where people can vote. It's called the People's Choice Awards.

Yeah, and they are a joke because the voters are morons.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I know, right?

Didn't the Hunger Games win Best Picture? And they gave Nicki Minaj an award?

This is what happens when only teenage girls vote.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The point I was trying to make mentioning that is that even if you have people vote, you're not going to get the results you're looking for in an awards show. The people's choice awards is open for anyone to vote, and hardly anyone other than teens do vote.

 

[Figs]

It's a movie forum version of "They took our jobs!".

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I know, right?

Didn't the Hunger Games win Best Picture? And they gave Nicki Minaj an award?

This is what happens when only teenage girls vote.

Hunger Games was at least good. Previous winners include the Star Wars prequels, two Pirates of the Caribbean sequels, and two Twilight movies.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well, it's progress.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I never said that, i said i was mad they won over other films. If your gonna qoute me get it right.

You said it in response to talking another poster talking about a stigma that the academy likes movies that are overseas. I think I got it pretty right. EVen though I agree about The King's Speech, you made it sound as though you didn't like them because they aren't American.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It is only in recent years that the Academy is even giving a chance to foreign films. There were plenty of films from the likes of Kurosawa and Leone that won diddly squat back in the day despite being some of the best movies ever made.

 

[marvelman2006]

You said it in response to talking another poster talking about a stigma that the academy likes movies that are overseas. I think I got it pretty right. EVen though I agree about The King's Speech, you made it sound as though you didn't like them because they aren't American.

Again I didnt say that I said I was mad about them winning, get it right, your combining sentences now chief.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It is only in recent years that the Academy is even giving a chance to foreign films. There were plenty of films from the likes of Kurosawa and Leone that won diddly squat back in the day despite being some of the best movies ever made.

Yep. And foreign films are going to continue to get more acknowledgement from The Academy. It's not about being popular, about their perception of what a great movie is.

AFI has their top 10 list. Some big movies and only English speaking movies. Maybe you'll like that better, MM.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

LET'S KICK SOME ICE!

So who do you think's going to win best cinemtography?

 

[jacobed]

Skyfall

 

[BatLobster]

I think Deakins is due. This is what, his tenth nomination? And his work in Skyfall is awesome. He should have this in the bank.

 

[Kane52630]

Life of Pi, easily.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Life of Pi, easily.

Not gonna make it. t: