91st Annual Academy Awards

See the thing is i don't think there's a Goodfellas, Saving Private Ryan or Brokeback Mountain this year so i think the uproar would be limited to mostly the internet here when compared to Dances with Wolves, Shakespeare in love and Crash. Those earlier 3 were so far ahead of the winners it was nuts. BP was literally my 6th favorite film of 2018, with only 2 of the other BP nominees over it. Bohemian Rhapsody maybe. I can think of at least 30 films i found better than it in 2018.
 
I'm just trying to get over Black Panther beating Fallout for stunts. :funny:

As someone who adores Black Panther, WHAT????!!!. How? The halo jump? The bathroom fight? The paris chases, tom breaking his ankle jumping from rooftop to rooftop. The Darn helicopter? What kind of dumb garbage is that! That's such the obvious winner it's insane.

It's all about campaigning. Fallout had zero.
 
Looks like the front runner for best picture is now between Roma, Black Panther, and Bohemian Rhapsody.
 
What exactly was the stunt that tipped Black Panther over Fallout? Most of the action was GC :funny:
 
Looks like the front runner for best picture is now between Roma, Black Panther, and Bohemian Rhapsody.
I wouldn't count out Green Book (unfortunately), either. The PGA's are the best predictor among the guilds.
 
Black Panther ? It's not a frontrunner, at all. A frontrunner is a movie that has most chance of winning. Black Panther 100% ain't gonna win. Same for Bohemian Rhaspody
I'd say it's clearly between Roma and Green Book at this point.
 
ASIB’s fall is a thing to behold. Like what happened and at what point did it exactly crashed and burn? Who f*cked up? It went from front runner status for Picture, Actor, Actress, Song, Director to most likely going home with only Song. Cooper’s plan to focus his campaigning for director totally backfired. He not only missed on a Director nod but will also surely lose Actor. He had the narrative, the studio, the reviews, and the B.O.

Its awards path should be a case study...
 
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Black Panther ? It's not a frontrunner, at all. A frontrunner is a movie that has most chance of winning. Black Panther 100% ain't gonna win. Same for Bohemian Rhaspody
I'd say it's clearly between Roma and Green Book at this point.

The acting branch is the biggest member group of the Academy. The issue is, the film doesn't have any nominations in any of the big categories - acting, cinematography, screenplay, editing, or directing. It would defy just about every odd there is to win having no other big nominations.
 
The acting branch is the biggest member group of the Academy. The issue is, the film doesn't have any nominations in any of the big categories - acting, cinematography, screenplay, editing, or directing. It would defy just about every odd there is to win having no other big nominations.
And the winner of the top prize at SAG is generally one of the weaker predictors for Best Pic, because all those actors weren't voting for Best Picture - they were voting Best Ensemble. A lot of people who would throw it a vote for one would not vote it for the other.
 
Of course I have no doubt the Oscar will continue its tradition of giving the top prize to an irrelevant soporific movie, and it will be doubly proud for giving to one that’s black & white and in a language most of the voters don’t even understand perfectly with its subtleties and nuances. So, the Oscar goes to Roma.
 
What exactly was the stunt that tipped Black Panther over Fallout? Most of the action was GC :funny:
You forgot the two fights at the water fall. Fans always seem to forget those fights so they can complain about the CGI in the third act. The water fall fights were well choreographed, they reminded me of Creed fight scenes.
 
It's all about campaigning. Fallout had zero.

Which adds just another layer of bullcrap to these award shows. Putting them side by side Fallout obviously beats Black Panther in this category, but because Paramount didn't beg for it they didn't get it. Is that really a win for BP?
 
Best Ensemble winners since 2000:

2000 - Traffic
2001 - Gosford Park
2002 - Chicago (won Best Picture)
2003 - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (won Best Picture)
2004 - Sideways
2005 - Crash (won Best Picture)
2006 - Little Miss Sunshine
2007 - No Country for Old Man (won Best Picture)
2008 - Slumdog Millionaire (won Best Picture)
2009 - Inglourious Basterds
2010 - The King's Speech (won Best Picture)
2011 - The Help
2012 - Argo (won Best Picture)
2013 - American Hustle
2014 - Birdman (won Best Picture)
2015 - Spotlight (won Best Picture)
2016 - Hidden Figures
2017 - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

Since 2000, SAG's Best Ensemble matched the Oscar's Best Picture 9/18. That's 50% of the time.

If anything, Black Panther's win last night puts it in the top five BP nominees. Has a shot at the win, but hardly a guarantee.
 
Which adds just another layer of bullcrap to these award shows. Putting them side by side Fallout obviously beats Black Panther in this category, but because Paramount didn't beg for it they didn't get it. Is that really a win for BP?

It's never really been about the best, at least not in the last 15-20 years or so. There are movies that objectively have superior stunts, CG, editing, etc, other technical areas, that get overlooked overtime. I mean, Inception was overlooked for editing Oscar, yet the only thing that keeps that movie from completely falling apart is the editing.
 
Black Panther winning over Fallout for stunts when most of its "stunts" are CGI is as big of a joke as the idea of Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody being Best Picture frontrunners.

It's obvious pandering nonsense like this that's one of various reasons why people don't take the Oscars seriously anymore. Because half of the awards are so obviously not about who was actually best.
 
The Academy Awards are decided by politics, bias, and narrative. Every once in a while their interests align with my own (i.e. Gary Oldman last year), but for the most part I don't expect to agree with much of what they do. The Dark Knight's snub in particular told me everything I ever needed to know about the Academy Awards.

They're fun to guess, but some people take them way too seriously. For something as fundamentally and systematically broken as awarding movies, there are probably better uses for your energy.
 
Black Panther could win based on the vote splits. It may not get the majority but if enough people don't want to give Netflix a win, nor want to acknowledge Singer in anyway, they will vote for someone else. Doesn't have to be Black Panther, but that split could be enough to give it an edge.
 
Black Panther winning over Fallout for stunts when most of its "stunts" are CGI is as big of a joke as the idea of Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody being Best Picture frontrunners.

It's obvious pandering nonsense like this that's one of various reasons why people don't take the Oscars seriously anymore. Because half of the awards are so obviously not about who was actually best.

Fallout should have won. Obviously there was CGI in some of the more dangerous stunts, but I couldn't tell you where they were. That is a sign of great stuntwork and CGI combined.
 
Out of the five Best Actor nominees, I'd rather it go to Bale or Cooper. Their performances seemed better fleshed out and more lived-in. I fully expect Malek to win, but his performance didn't do much for me. Seemed like a surface-level impression, and I was painfully aware of Malek lip-syncing to someone else's vocals. Took me out of the movie every time Freddie sang.
 
The Academy Awards are decided by politics, bias, and narrative. Every once in a while their interests align with my own (i.e. Gary Oldman last year), but for the most part I don't expect to agree with much of what they do. The Dark Knight's snub in particular told me everything I ever needed to know about the Academy Awards.

They're fun to guess, but some people take them way too seriously. For something as fundamentally and systematically broken as awarding movies, there are probably better uses for your energy.

Hard to believe it's been 10 years. I can still remember being on this forum at 2am in the morning along with god knows how many other fans, all collectively anticipating the nominations. And honestly, we had every right to expect the film to be nominated. It had garnered PGA and DGA and a whole bunch of nominations, a whole batch of nominations for Ledger alone, and every other supposed Oscar film that coveted that final 5th spot failed to win over critics and audiences. Everyone, literally everyone, had TDK in. The only real competition was WALL-E, which honestly wouldn't have been a poor choice to have beaten TDK to that fifth spot.

The mood was a level of excitement that was off the charts, probably bigger than the release of the film itself. Then the nominations came out. A bunch of tech nods, one for Ledger, all was going well until the Screenplay nomination came where TDK was overlooked. I remember being shocked when the names were read out and TDK wasn't there for Adapted Screenplay. But then the real kick to the balls, no Director, no Best Picture. The film did so much right, garnered so much good will, but the Academy just couldn't do it, they couldn't get past the cowl and clown make up.
 
Hard to believe it's been 10 years. I can still remember being on this forum at 2am in the morning along with god knows how many other fans, all collectively anticipating the nominations. And honestly, we had every right to expect the film to be nominated. It had garnered PGA and DGA and a whole bunch of nominations, a whole batch of nominations for Ledger alone, and every other supposed Oscar film that coveted that final 5th spot failed to win over critics and audiences. Everyone, literally everyone, had TDK in. The only real competition was WALL-E, which honestly wouldn't have been a poor choice to have beaten TDK to that fifth spot.

The mood was a level of excitement that was off the charts, probably bigger than the release of the film itself. Then the nominations came out. A bunch of tech nods, one for Ledger, all was going well until the Screenplay nomination came where TDK was overlooked. I remember being shocked when the names were read out and TDK wasn't there for Adapted Screenplay. But then the real kick to the balls, no Director, no Best Picture. The film did so much right, garnered so much good will, but the Academy just couldn't do it, they couldn't get past the cowl and clown make up.
SO TDK not nominated for Best Picture was a huge news back then ?
 
Yes, it's the reason they expanded to 10 nominees instead of 5.
 
I knew it was the reason, I just don't know whether the fanbase and film industry really explose after that snub :funny:

Must be one of the few movies that got into all the Guilds and still miss the Oscar.
 
Which adds just another layer of bullcrap to these award shows. Putting them side by side Fallout obviously beats Black Panther in this category, but because Paramount didn't beg for it they didn't get it. Is that really a win for BP?
Clearly you dont know how competitions work.
 

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