The Dark Knight Rises A Hero Rises: The Batman Thread

[Marx]

daymn, bane is one aggressive mofo.

i love that we see the trailer shot in that spy-video, looks like ten times more awesome in trailer with the amazing cinematography.

...as he should be.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Agreed, in BB he is trained and returns to Gotham with the goal of becoming a symbol of hope, and inspiration. In TDK he inspires a good man like Dent but also a psycho like The Joker, so he questions himself and in the end realizes the sacrifices he must make to achieve his overall goal, leading to the city he has set out to save turning on him.

Looking at the huge battle, Batman inspires the good people of Gotham to stand with him against the evil that is trying to destroy their city, thus his mission from BB is finally complete.

I suppose... if this thread is about celebrating the hero instead of focusing on his characterisation, it's fitting to say: The heroic sacrifice of TDK is apparently undone by the time Bane enters Gotham. I would love to see a glimpse of Bane as a true hero of Gotham City before falling into the same pitfalls that pervaded Batman's career. Sort of like how Batman was the antagonistic successor to Ra's Al Ghul, Bane is the antagonistic successor to Batman. But Bruce knows that he can't follow that cycle anymore, so he has to go beyond that and show us all what it means to be a superhero in the end.

I think among many things, like you've said here, Batman in BB was about showing the people of Gotham that they don't have to rely on the law to attain justice, that they can themselves stand on their own and oppose criminality. That goal was distorted with the arrival of the Joker, who established a greater definition of criminality, thus making it only possible for people (and Batman) to deter the likes of the Joker but not completely eradicate them. Kind of like Bruce's convictions of not killing anyone. It's a sound lesson for all of them, especially since it involved facing the darker aspects that coexists with the brighter elements of good. In the end, Bruce's mission was to make Gotham it's own hero. And Bane is here to disrupt that very notion.

But y'know, all of this is still speculation. Do we really know that Bane will be mobilising the masses against Batman and GPD? Or are we reading too much into his "instrument of liberation" lunacy?

 

[Hunter Rider]

I suppose... if this thread is about celebrating the hero instead of focusing on his characterisation, it's fitting to say: The heroic sacrifice of TDK is apparently undone by the time Bane enters Gotham. I would love to see a glimpse of Bane as a true hero of Gotham City before falling into the same pitfalls that pervaded Batman's career. Sort of like how Batman was the antagonistic successor to Ra's Al Ghul, Bane is the antagonistic successor to Batman. But Bruce knows that he can't follow that cycle anymore, so he has to go beyond that and show us all what it means to be a superhero in the end.

I think among many things, like you've said here, Batman in BB was about showing the people of Gotham that they don't have to rely on the law to attain justice, that they can themselves stand on their own and oppose criminality. That goal was distorted with the arrival of the Joker, who established a greater definition of criminality, thus making it only possible for people (and Batman) to deter the likes of the Joker but not completely eradicate them. Kind of like Bruce's convictions of not killing anyone. It's a sound lesson for all of them, especially since it involved facing the darker aspects that coexists with the brighter elements of good. In the end, Bruce's mission was to make Gotham it's own hero. And Bane is here to disrupt that very notion.

But y'know, all of this is still speculation. Do we really know that Bane will be mobilising the masses against Batman and GPD? Or are we reading too much into his "instrument of liberation" lunacy?

I think the images we have seen are enough to make a strong case that it's very likely Bane will run roughshod over Gotham, and his idea of liberation is freeing the criminals and arming the poor to take down the rich people and the authority, leaving Gotham to him.

His words in the trailer state he wants Gotham in ashes, it seems like a militant coup and a more extreme way to achieve Ra's goal of rebooting Gotham. I don't see Bane ever being seen as a hero by anyone but the criminals and a few misguided Gothamites who feel they deserve more than they have.

 

[RustyCage]

Not to be rude, but there's already a Bruce Wayne/Batman thread on page 2.

I agree with the original post though, it's kind of chilling that so many fans seem to be thirsty for Batman's blood. I imagine them as the chanting voices in the trailer.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Not to be rude, but there's already a Bruce Wayne/Batman thread on page 2.

I agree with the original post though, it's kind of chilling that so many fans seem to be thirsty for Batman's blood. I imagine them as the chanting voices in the trailer.

It's not so much that we want to see Batman bloody and broken, it more that we want to see Batman pushed to his limits and yet find away to prevail in the end. For the first time in a live action film we are actually going to see Batman physically pushed to his limits and beyond.

In the previous films, Batman Begins it was more of a physiological battle with The Scarecrow, with Ra's Al Ghul it was a battle of morality and principle. In The Dark Knight, Batman's battle with the Joker was more about the order and chaos, While Bruce battled with being Batman and the price it cost as he must live a life of solitude to be gotham's protector .

 

[TinkerTailor]

It's not so much that we want to see Batman bloody and broken, it more that we want to see Batman pushed to his limits and yet find away to prevail in the end. For the first time in a live action film we are actually going to see Batman physically pushed to his limits and beyond.

In the previous films, Batman Begins it was more of a physiological battle with The Scarecrow, with Ra's Al Ghul it was a battle of morality and principle. In The Dark Knight, Batman's battle with the Joker was more about the order and chaos, While Bruce battled with being Batman and the price it cost as he must live a life of solitude to be gotham's protector .

Yep. I've never feared for Batman in a fight in any of the previous films. I've worried about Bruce's mental state, I've worried about the well being of various characters depending on the situation, but I've never questioned Bruce's ability to succeed if he stuck to the task.

I like to think that Bane will be a brick wall of sorts to Bruce that makes us doubt his ability to overcome. It'll make his eventual success all the more fulfilling.

 

[TDKR2012]

This is irrelevant, but I was wondering about Bruce Wayne with a cane... IMO, could it be that this is from his injuries from the "fall" he took in The Dark Knight where he falls of the building where Harvey Dent did... Afterall, he WAS limping to the Batpod... It could be a spinal/back injury of some sorts or leg injury... this could also explain another reason why he had to put down the cowl for all this time

I think this is plausible, as it shows he's still wounded from the events of The Dark Knight,

OR, it could be after he jumps out of the hospital window after visiting Gordon.

 

[uniqueweasel]

This is irrelevant, but I was wondering about Bruce Wayne with a cane... IMO, could it be that this is from his injuries from the "fall" he took in The Dark Knight where he falls of the building where Harvey Dent did... Afterall, he WAS limping to the Batpod... It could be a spinal/back injury of some sorts or leg injury... this could also explain another reason why he had to put down the cowl for all this time

I think this is plausible, as it shows he's still wounded from the events of The Dark Knight,

OR, it could be after he jumps out of the hospital window after visiting Gordon.

This is exactly what I thought, but the only problem I have is how this eight year gap is going to work, will we get a little bit of story on what happened after the escape on the batpod, or will it just do the jump to eight years into the future?

 

[DaveMoral]

I'm in no way convinced, in the absence of any evidence at all, that Bruce has put away the cowl for 8 years.

 

[TDKR2012]

This is exactly what I thought, but the only problem I have is how this eight year gap is going to work, will we get a little bit of story on what happened after the escape on the batpod, or will it just do the jump to eight years into the future?

i know what you mean... something inside makes me thing that the chase sequence with all those cop cars and Batman on the Batpod (at night in LA i think) is the scene immediately after The Dark Knight where he is being chased.... maybe the movie will jump in many different time periods like Begins...

 

[CrypticOne]

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Yeah, I don't think Bruce can sink any lower emotionally. The guy lost the girl of his dreams and the Joker broke Harvey.

Now he has no one around him except for Alfred. And I guess Gordon to an extent.

 

[Quasimod0]

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Yeah, I don't think Bruce can sink any lower emotionally. The guy lost the girl of his dreams and the Joker broke Harvey.

Now he has no one around him except for Alfred. And I guess Gordon to an extent.

At least his parents havent died...oh wait.

 

[CrypticOne]

At least his parents havent died...oh wait.

His parents did die....oh wait.

 

[GregComicFan]

His parents did die....oh wait.

Bruce Wayne's parents died?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I was thinking the same thing about the cane. It could easily have been his injuries from the end of TDK, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

I cannot be the only one who's getting an intense Batman Beyond vibe by seeing him with a cane and leaning against it. I simply cannot!

As for Bane -- he would be a sort of distorted hero to the masses, just as a militant dictator is at times of war, or a political demagogue. Consider him the anti-Harvey in the sense that he is inspiring the people of Gotham to revolt instead of simply fight corruption and injustice. That's the way I'm thinking of this - Bane was always in this strange aura between good and evil in the comics, so I don't see why they cannot retain that to some extent.

Another thought comes to mind regarding the class-warfare angle: what if Bane and Catwoman are catalysing two different and mutually exclusive kinds of threat to Gotham? And with that, what if the class-warfare is strictly something Selina Kyle cooks up (her "army" being the people, instead of the mob, criminals, or freaks). It would certainly be an expanded depiction of Catwoman's classical "lone Robin Hood" approach, kind of like how Crane had all of Arkham at his disposal and the Joker had his own band of clowns. Thoughts?

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[Gianakin_]

He's so damn badass...

 

[zmystico]

This is why I want Bane to practically destroy Batman in their first encounter, I want NOTHING Batman does to work, I want him completely outmatched and outsmarted...I want Bane to own him!

The more savage and brutal the beating, the more savory and sweet the ending will be when Batman "rises", that's why I don't think Nolan will kill off/expose Batman to Gotham...in the end, ALL of Gotham will embrace Batman as their hero.

 

[jasontodd]

those pictures look amazing. I especially love the shot of batman vs the bane's men.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I think in the end Batman will become the symbol of hope to the people of Gotham more so than Harvey Dent ever did. He'll take his rightful place as not only the protector but also the inspiration .

 

[Nave 'Torment']

In the end he becomes Harvey Dent without Two-Face. He retires the Batman persona. He completes his mission to liberate a city of the criminality that took his parents' lives. His vow is complete.

I mean, why not right? You don't have to do everything that Miller, Loeb and Dini did.

I love those pictures, I hope they keep that more darker shade of black on the suit. It seems less 'green' than from TDK, and that makes it (almost) perfect.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I'll hazard a guess that the sci-fi gun is used to neutralize the tumblers. ...

or y'know, the roaring 99% :P (I kid, I kid).

 

[hafizbat]

Y'know, in those pics of Batman he actually looks pretty fresh/young, as compared to the shot of him breathing in the teaser or the way he was bent over when engaging Bane in the trailer. Could it be that these pics are after he "Rises"? The one with six men unconscious really gives me that "final act" vibe, where the hero goes on the attack against the villain who has established himself/taken over.

 

[gugumugats]

Y'know, in those pics of Batman he actually looks pretty fresh/young, as compared to the shot of him breathing in the teaser or the way he was bent over when engaging Bane in the trailer. Could it be that these pics are after he "Rises"? The one with six men unconscious really gives me that "final act" vibe, where the hero goes on the attack against the villain who has established himself/taken over.

This fresh/young look you mention got me thinking about Lazarus Pits. I hope they don't go in this direction for the film ...

 

[hafizbat]

This fresh/young look you mention got me thinking about Lazarus Pits. I hope they don't go in this direction for the film ...

Hehe I didn't mean that fresh. I highly doubt Lazarus pits will be used in TDKR, and if they are I can bet that Ra's will be back too. I was talking in a more figurative sense, like he has found his purpose again, etc.

That has me thinking...anybody think that Ra's could actually return? They did say they are going "full circle" right? We also did not know about Two-Face while TDK was in production...