A new solution for Iraq?

[sinewave]

the biggest contributing factor for the civil war in iarq is because none of the tribes feel like they're getting proper representation. none of the tribes want the others to rule over them, so the only option is to divide them up and let them rule themselves while splitting up the oil revenue equally.

I thought that Biden supported dividing Iraq into three independent countries. Which is a bad idea.

i don't think he proposed dividing them up into separate countries, just separate territories that govern themselves while still falling under the country of iraq.

this just proves that the whole time republicans were *****ing that democrats didn't have a plan for iraq were wrong. they have plenty of good ideas that could work much better than what the republicans have tried.

 

[hippie_hunter]

i don't think he proposed dividing them up into separate countries, just separate territories that govern themselves while still falling under the country of iraq.

You know, I looked it up and what I said is pretty much what Joe Biden has said.

this just proves that the whole time republicans were *****ing that democrats didn't have a plan for iraq were wrong. they have plenty of good ideas that could work much better than what the republicans have tried.

I think that as a whole, neither the Republicans and Democrats don't have a functioning plan and have no idea how to solve the crisis. Joe Biden is one of the exceptions.

 

[sinewave]

You know, I looked it up and what I said is pretty much what Joe Biden has said.

i'm not questioning your accuracy on this, but do you have a link to that info? just curious.

I think that as a whole, neither the Republicans and Democrats don't have a functioning plan and have no idea how to solve the crisis. Joe Biden is one of the exceptions.

but, you can't deny that the democrats, both with biden's plan and murtha's redeployment plan, presented viable options for iraq and that all the noise republicans were making about dems not having a plan was total spin, right? basically, they mislead americans into voting for them because they lied about the dems.

 

[Victarion]

I'd split the place up, but I voted for your plan.

 

[hippie_hunter]

i'm not questioning your accuracy on this, but do you have a link to that info? just curious.

I looked it up on Wikipedia

The Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq
Biden and Les Gelb of the Council on Foreign Relations have proposed a plan for Iraq following the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Rather than continuing the present approach or withdrawing, the plan calls for "a third way that can achieve the two objectives most Americans share: to bring our troops home without leaving chaos behind. The idea is to maintain a unified Iraq by federalizing it and giving Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis breathing room in their own regions."[16] The key points include:

• Keep Iraq together by giving its major groups breathing room in their own regions. A central government would be left in charge of common interests like defending the borders and distributing oil revenues.
• Secure the support of the Sunnis -- who have no oil -- by guaranteeing them a proportionate share of oil revenue.
• Increase, not end, reconstruction assistance but insist that the oil-rich Arab Gulf states fund it and tie it to the creation of a massive jobs program and to the protection of minority rights.
• Hold an international conference to enlist the support of Iraq's neighbors and create a Contact Group to enforce regional commitments.
• Begin the phased redeployment of U.S. forces this year and withdraw most of them by the end of 2007, with a small follow-on force to keep the neighbors honest and to strike any concentration of terrorists.

but, you can't deny that the democrats, both with biden's plan and murtha's redeployment plan, presented viable options for iraq and that all the noise republicans were making about dems not having a plan was total spin, right? basically, they mislead americans into voting for them because they lied about the dems.

I don't think we can really say it as Democrats and Republicans because there are Democrats and Republicans that do get it and do have viable options for Iraq. Overall, the most Democrats did not truely have a plan and the same for the Republicans. It's individual politicians such as Joe Biden that offer the viable options.

To say as a whole is completely unfair, but with George Bush's "Stay the Course" and many Democrat's call to "Pull Out" just shows that most (not all) don't get it.

 

[sinewave]

I looked it up on Wikipedia

i don't see anything in there that mentions setting them up as their own countries. this part actually goes against that assertion:

Keep Iraq together by giving its major groups breathing room in their own regions. A central government would be left in charge of common interests like defending the borders and distributing oil revenues.

I don't think we can really say it as Democrats and Republicans because there are Democrats and Republicans that do get it and do have viable options for Iraq. Overall, the most Democrats did not truely have a plan and the same for the Republicans. It's individual politicians such as Joe Biden that offer the viable options.

To say as a whole is completely unfair, but with George Bush's "Stay the Course" and many Democrat's call to "Pull Out" just shows that most (not all) don't get it.

you're right about most of the democrats not agreeing on specific plan, other than a withdrawal. however, the point i'm making is that the whole time all we've heard from repubilcans is that the dems don't have a plan, but that's just not true. they have plenty of plans, but could never come together and agree on the one with the best shot.

 

[hippie_hunter]

i don't see anything in there that mentions setting them up as their own countries. this part actually goes against that assertion:

I mean what I said about what they should do about Iraq, not splitting up Iraq into separate countries. My bad.

you're right about most of the democrats not agreeing on specific plan, other than a withdrawal. however, the point i'm making is that the whole time all we've heard from repubilcans is that the dems don't have a plan, but that's just not true. they have plenty of plans, but could never come together and agree on the one with the best shot.

Agreed. It was a lot of BS that the Republicans said that the Democrats have no plan. Because some do. And it's rather hypocritical since most Republicans don't have a plan of their own other than the failed "Stay the Course."

The options on this poll suck. Staying the course has failed. Pulling out will not work. And Spider-Bite's plan is criminally negligent to the nation of Iraq and is even worse than pulling out, at least the troops would not be in harms way if we just let chaos happen.

 

[sinewave]

I mean what I said about what they should do about Iraq, not splitting up Iraq into separate countries. My bad.

no problem. it's a good plan, in my opinion.

Agreed. It was a lot of BS that the Republicans said that the Democrats have no plan. Because some do. And it's rather hypocritical since most Republicans don't have a plan of their own other than the failed "Stay the Course."

The options on this poll suck. Staying the course has failed. Pulling out will not work. And Spider-Bite's plan is criminally negligent to the nation of Iraq and is even worse than pulling out, at least the troops would not be in harms way if we just let chaos happen.

spider-bite's option is basically what john murtha was preaching a year or two ago, aside from the "shooting on sight" part. if we acknowledge that iraq is embroiled in a civil war between the shia and sunnis then i'm not so sure it's our responsibility to intervene in that, militarily at least. moving troops to the boarders and leaving iraqi citzens to fight for their own democracy isn't a terrible idea either. it would free up our resources to target al qaeda cells and stop incoming terrorists, while pulling our troops out of the center of the ****storm. the downside would be the possibility of even higher levels of chaos in and around baghdad and other major cities. however, if our military can focus more on shutting down al qaeda then maybe some of the violence that is spurring the chaos could be minimized and we could attempt to approach the civil war from a more diplomatic standpoint by negotiating a cease fire between the sunni and shia and eventually get them to sit down and start working on setting up individual tribal governments under the umbrella of an iraqi nation. the administration should send bill richardson over there and let him work his magic. the dude's a genius when it comes to diplomacy.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't think we can really say it as Democrats and Republicans because there are Democrats and Republicans that do get it and do have viable options for Iraq. Overall, the most Democrats did not truely have a plan and the same for the Republicans. It's individual politicians such as Joe Biden that offer the viable options.

To say as a whole is completely unfair, but with George Bush's "Stay the Course" and many Democrat's call to "Pull Out" just shows that most (not all) don't get it.

I'd have to agree with that. I think 99% of the politicians in both parties are just saying whatever they have to say about Iraq, in order to increase their chances of getting elected.

 

[Kahoot]

So let me get this right you want to blockade the country so that the US can steel the oil...

 

[Victarion]

So let me get this right you want to blockade the country so that the US can steel the oil...

Aaaaargh! Piracy at its finest.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'd like that to shiver me timbers

 

[Kritish]

At this point I could give a **** about what happens to Iraq. I’m just tired of seeing our troops get killed as we attempt and fail to help a group of people that don’t want our help. Even if they did I could still give a damn. Let’s appoint a new dictator that will act as our lap dog and make sure that we have oil.