Abuse of Power Thread (Cops, Governments, Etc.) - Part 1

[warhorse78]

And how do you look at what happened to Freddie Gray and conclude he's somehow responsible for his severed spine and inevitable death?

Cops are allowed to murder anyone who doesn't have a spotless record???

Yeah, okay buddy. If we have issues for being critical of police abuse what do you call your condition?

Isn't most of the corruption that takes place in cities and countries start with politicians and law enforement?

 

[Hotwire]

And how do you look at what happened to Freddie Gray and conclude he's somehow responsible for his severed spine and inevitable death?

Cops are allowed to murder anyone who doesn't have a spotless record???

Yeah, okay buddy. If we have issues for being critical of police abuse what do you call your condition?

That's not at all what he said. He simply said that people who are belligerent with cops aren't helping their situation. I think he agrees that the cops went too far. He's just saying the people being arrested were not as innocent as some would make them out to be. That doesn't mean they deserved to die or that the cops where completely in the right.

Also, for the record, failure to signal a lane change is an arrestable offence in Texas. The cop had every right to pull her over and write the warning. And, while he went too far, her attitude didn't help.

I was pulled over over for 50 in a 25. This is also arrestable! I could have been taken to jail and had my car impounded! However, I handled it carefully. There was no safe place to pull over so, I slowed down, turned on my four-ways, and waved to the cop. As soon as I found a safe place, I pulled over. The first thing the cop said was, "Thank you for waiting until it was safe." He left me go with a warning.

I really don't understand why some people choose to make police interactions more difficult than they need to be. That's both the place to fight the cops. If you feel you are wrongly accused, take it to court and fight it there. You are not going to change the cop's mind on the side of the highway.

 

[Kar]

People are saying Sandra was aggressive and her attitude didn't help the situation, but I honestly don't see the same thing happening to a white woman hollering out "I'm getting my lawyer" or refusing to put out a cigarette in her car.

Guys, let's stop talking about what the dead victims could have done. They've passed, so these should have could haves are stupid. Especially when there are black people/suspects that STILL get hurt by cops even while complying.

Anyway, has it come out yet about the trashbag that she allegedly used to hang herself with? I believe they were testing it for other fingerprints besides her own.

 

[The Guard]

Also Bland doesn't refuse to leave her vehicle.

She gets out and is handcuffed for no reason.

Simply not true. She is arrested and handcuffed because she becomes beligerent with the officer.

The cop walks her out of the dash cam shot as she continues to ask why she's being arrested.

She is not exactly asking politely. She is, in fact, being rude and calling the officer names while this transpires.

Then there is a struggle heard but not seen.

Which proves little. Read the transcript. You can hear almost exactly what's going on. He is almost surprised that she won't simply stop fighting against him and asks her several times to desist.

Seems like this cop was up to no good. Bland was right to question her arrest.

But she wasn't right to question it in the manner she did.

Up to no good in what respect?

He had every right to pull her over, and it cannot be proven that he did not have every right to take her down when she became beligerent.

Refusing to put out a cigarette in timely fashion is not an arrestable offense.

She wasn't arrested for refusing to put out a cigarette. Refusing to comply with police orders can be an arrestable offense depending on the circumstances.

Then walking her out of dashcam view before something physical transpires just looks even more sketchy.

Read the transcript. He makes several requests for her to stop struggling, etc.

 

[The Guard]

Anyone hiding something illegal is most likely to very compliant and friendly with the police. Think about it.

People who feel they're being harassed unjustly are likely to have an attitude.

Not true across the board.

A lot of people hiding stuff are nervous and downright beligerent. Officers are taught to look for this behavior.

Plenty of stupid people commit crimes.

 

[The Guard]

Oh please.

This whole high alert thing is bull.

Cops don't like their authority challenged. If you do question them or don't submit to their every whim they want to punish you for it.

It happens all the time. A person simply ask too many questions or asserts their rights and the cop looks for a reason to arrest them and throw them in a jail cell.

Umm...no. It is very much a red flag when someone becomes beligerent with a police officer. It's a possible sign of anger issues, mental illness, and potentially violence.

Yes, it happens all the time, but that doesn't change the fact that in this situation, there is no proof of this being the reason he sought to arrest her.

No, cops don't like their authority challenged. Do you know why that is? Because it often makes the situation more difficult to handle calmly and safely.

 

[The Guard]

That's not at all what he said. He simply said that people who are belligerent with cops aren't helping their situation. I think he agrees that the cops went too far. He's just saying the people being arrested were not as innocent as some would make them out to be. That doesn't mean they deserved to die or that the cops where completely in the right.

Also, for the record, failure to signal a lane change is an arrestable offence in Texas. The cop had every right to pull her over and write the warning. And, while he went too far, her attitude didn't help.

I was pulled over over for 50 in a 25. This is also arrestable! I could have been taken to jail and had my car impounded! However, I handled it carefully. There was no safe place to pull over so, I slowed down, turned on my four-ways, and waved to the cop. As soon as I found a safe place, I pulled over. The first thing the cop said was, "Thank you for waiting until it was safe." He left me go with a warning.

I really don't understand why some people choose to make police interactions more difficult than they need to be. That's both the place to fight the cops. If you feel you are wrongly accused, take it to court and fight it there. You are not going to change the cop's mind on the side of the highway.

This.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's not at all what he said. He simply said that people who are belligerent with cops aren't helping their situation. I think he agrees that the cops went too far. He's just saying the people being arrested were not as innocent as some would make them out to be. That doesn't mean they deserved to die or that the cops where completely in the right.

Also, for the record, failure to signal a lane change is an arrestable offence in Texas. The cop had every right to pull her over and write the warning. And, while he went too far, her attitude didn't help.

I was pulled over over for 50 in a 25. This is also arrestable! I could have been taken to jail and had my car impounded! However, I handled it carefully. There was no safe place to pull over so, I slowed down, turned on my four-ways, and waved to the cop. As soon as I found a safe place, I pulled over. The first thing the cop said was, "Thank you for waiting until it was safe." He left me go with a warning.

I really don't understand why some people choose to make police interactions more difficult than they need to be. That's both the place to fight the cops. If you feel you are wrongly accused, take it to court and fight it there. You are not going to change the cop's mind on the side of the highway.

You know if you want to argue.that people who are visibly annoyed or snippy with cops should get a higher fine or even another ticket altogether I'll understand completely...But arresting someone, roughing them up and inflicting life threating injuries just because they were annoyed or asserted their rights is a clear abuse of authority that shouldn't be justified in any way.

Sandra Bland deserved a big fat ticket not an arrest record or a stay in a jail cell. Freddie Gray deserved hospital care and normal processing.

People should expect to pay the highest possible ticket fine for being moody or self-righteous, not jail time, physical injury, or death.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Umm...no. It is very much a red flag when someone becomes beligerent with a police officer. It's a possible sign of anger issues, mental illness, and potentially violence.

Yes, it happens all the time, but that doesn't change the fact that in this situation, there is no proof of this being the reason he sought to arrest her.

No, cops don't like their authority challenged. Do you know why that is? Because it often makes the situation more difficult to handle calmly and safely.

I'm pretty sure most logical people wouldn't conclude that Sandra Bland was a crazed cop killer because she asked why she was pulled over or insisted that she didn't have to put out her cigarette.

Cops should expect people to be visibly annoyed during stops and any cop who takes it personal and uses their power to find some BS reason to arrest or physically manhandle the driver quite frankly shouldn't be an officer of the law.

And ditto for any cop who can't tell the difference between an annoyed woman on her way to her first day of work and a crazed cop killer.

Though I'm certain this cop was just doing some attitude adjustment by sending a wrecking ball through Sandra Bland's career.

The punishment (jail time) clearly didn't fit the crime (being snippy).

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The Guard seems to forget that although it may be stupid to get pissy with a cop and catch an attitude it's everyone's right as an American citizen to do so and we shouldn't have to fear being killed or beaten because of it. You don't like the fact that some folks don't like cops and want to give you attitude then don't become a cop. This line of thinking about how she somehow deserved being arrested for catching an attitude is stupidity at it's finest

 

[Docker2.0]

The Guard seems to forget that although it may be stupid to get pissy with a cop and catch an attitude it's everyone's right as an American citizen to do so and we shouldn't have to fear being killed or beaten because of it. You don't like the fact that some folks don't like cops and want to give you attitude then don't become a cop. This line of thinking about how she somehow deserved being arrested for catching an attitude is stupidity at it's finest

Not sure what kind of work you do but EVERYONE has bad days. Does it make it right? No but it happens. It's dead wrong but all it takes is a smile to turn a frown upside down. Attitudes doesn't help. She did not deserve to die but she didn't exactly help her situation.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Not sure what kind of work you do but EVERYONE has bad days. Does it make it right? No but it happens. It's dead wrong but all it takes is a smile to turn a frown upside down. Attitudes doesn't help. She did not deserve to die but she didn't exactly help her situation.

Well you are right about her not deserving to die but that's not even what I'm talking about. She did nothing warranting being arrested or to be asked outside of her vehicle. The officers own department already came out and said he was wrong for arresting her. It's her God-given right as an American to be a dick if she wants. That does not justify the actions of the officer for asking her to get out of her vehicle much less arresting her. Had he not done so she wouldn't have struggled which was the only thing she was charged with. I, nor any other American am required to be nice to the police. That's my right. I can flip them off, I can tell them to eat s*** and die if I want. The supreme court just upheld that I am allowed to do those things without fear of being retaliated against.

That being said, doing any of those things is incredibly stupid and more than likely will get the cop to try and do anything they can to find some kind of dirt on you. I understand that it's my right to do those things but I also understand that if I do those things I may be wrongly arrested and falsely charged with something even though I can prove it's not true. That doesn't mean much if I lose my job or can't pay my rent because of it. But it's still my and any other Americans right to do so.

And to answer your question I do telemarketing so I am completely used to people trying to chew me out for doing my job. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

School Cop Accused of Having Sex With Underage Student in Cemeteries

On Saturday, a former high school resource officer who allegedly had sexual relations with teen students was arrested in New York, WRGB reports.

According to Albany County prosecutors, Officer Joshua Spratt, 34, had sexual contact with at least two students, aged 16 and 17 years old, while assigned to Watervliet High School, including multiple instances of oral sex in nearby cemeteries. From WNYT:

The district attorney’s office says Spratt had sexual relations with the 16-year-old at four locations between Feb. 14 and April 10 of this year. One was at a cemetery in Watervliet, one at a cemetery in Menands, one in the area of Third Avenue in Watervliet, and one in a parking lot in the area of 25th Street and 10th Avenue in Watervliet.​

Spratt now faces four counts of third-degree criminal sex act, two counts of official misconduct and one count of endangering the welfare of a child.

The officer, who has been placed on administrative leave, pled not guilty to the charges and was released on $50,000 bail today.

If convicted, Spratt could face up to 16 years in prison, the Times Union reports.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/cre...y-abusing-16-year-old-girl-at-two-cemeteries/

This guy is sick, I hope they treat him real good in prison

 

[RockSP]

Sigh...

. The system is...to quote Das Efx..."ass backwards like kraft cheese & macaroni".

 

[Teelie]

Cops protect their own. That's the problem with good cops. They won't come forward when they witness a fellow officer doing something illegal or wrong. And if they do they are forever tainted for doing so.

 

[The Guard]

The Guard seems to forget that although it may be stupid to get pissy with a cop and catch an attitude it's everyone's right as an American citizen to do so and we shouldn't have to fear being killed or beaten because of it. You don't like the fact that some folks don't like cops and want to give you attitude then don't become a cop. This line of thinking about how she somehow deserved being arrested for catching an attitude is stupidity at it's finest

I think you need to read my posts a little more carefully.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Either these people deserved to be arrested or killed by the police or they didn't.

You can't say "well they didn't deserve to be arrested or killed but they brought it on themselves".

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I know what I read

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cops protect their own. That's the problem with good cops. They won't come forward when they witness a fellow officer doing something illegal or wrong. And if they do they are forever tainted for doing so.

And thus, they are not good cops. That makes them the exact opposite of good cops. That makes them just as corrupt.

 

[The Guard]

Either these people deserved to be arrested or killed by the police or they didn't.

You can't say "well they didn't deserve to be arrested or killed but they brought it on themselves".

Nor did I.

 

[RockSP]

And thus, they are not good cops. That makes them the exact opposite of good cops. That makes them just as corrupt.

[Jules Winnfield voice]Exactamundo[/Jules Winnfield voice]

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Simply not true. She is arrested and handcuffed because she becomes beligerent with the officer.



She is not exactly asking politely. She is, in fact, being rude and calling the officer names while this transpires.


He had every right to pull her over, and it cannot be proven that he did not have every right to take her down when she became beligerent.



She wasn't arrested for refusing to put out a cigarette. Refusing to comply with police orders can be an arrestable offense depending on the circumstances.

The bolded parts are everything that is completely wrong. Number one you can not be arrested for being rude with an officer. Any American can say whatever the hell we want in any way that we want (assuming it's not a threat) to an officer and that is protected under free speech which was recently held up by the SCOTUS. Number 2 he had no right to pull her over and his department has already come out and said he should not have pulled her over and he had no right to arrest her. Number 3 you can not be arrested for refusing to comply with an officer. You can be arrested for refusing to comply with a lawful order such as being asked to leave a crime scene or being told to leave private property. Asking to put out a cig or to get out of the vehicle is not a lawful order. You really have no clue as to what the hell you're talking about

 

[Kar]

Officer Indicted in shooting death of Sam Dubose: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cincinna...ed-murder-fatally-shooting-black-man-the-head

For anyone that says Sandra Bland should have complied...guess what? Sam Dubose complied. Now what? This why we say those arguments are horse****.

But this is great and terrible. Terrible that Dubose had to die but great that we finally have a good example of body cams being effective. Articles are saying the video of the officer shooting Dubose in the head is so terrible that while they were preparing to release it to the public they schools are also being evacuated in fear of riots in Cincinnati. I was watching it on MSNBC until they pulled the video midway. Probably for the best.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm all for transparency but something that graphic needs to only be shared with those we need to see it for justice to be done

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Talk that other cops tried to help him get his story straight. This is why no one ever believes the cops. Even when they do something this clear cut, we still have people trying to lie for them. Manipulation of evidence? No way. If there was no footage, what are the chances this case would be in court?