Abuse of Power Thread (Cops, Governments, Etc.) - Part 1

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No, it's against the constitution to arrest me for expressing myself.

A cops pride isn't above the US constitution, is it?

Not true. being nude is a form of expression, but I bet you wouldn't get very far for walking butt ass nude down Time Square before cops arrest you. If you go into a school and start using strong profanity, they can have you removed. If you scream or yell at your children in hostile manners, you can and will be arrested for verbal abuse. If you use your expression to try and instigate riots or to threatene anyone or anything, you will be arrested and very well be charged for making such threats. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression does not give a person the right to do things that are detrimental to society as a whole.
 
What's it like to be so damn paranoid? Of course, there is potential for any type of organization to become corrupt but that's the whole point of checks and balances. You really think the police are going to willingly hand over footage that implicates them? Just look at the case of the man who just murdered by a cop, that fought tooth and nail to keep that foootage from getting out
 
What's it like to be so damn paranoid? Of course, there is potential for any type of organization to become corrupt but that's the whole point of checks and balances. You really think the police are going to willingly hand over footage that implicates them? Just look at the case of the man who just murdered by a cop, that fought tooth and nail to keep that foootage from getting out

Me paranoid? I'm not the one trying to start some war on the damn police like you are. And it's not paranoia, when I'm just trying to look at things from both points of view and at all angles. People can become very corrupt. I deal with the aftermath of this crap every single day!
 
Me paranoid? I'm not the one trying to start some war on the damn police like you are. And it's not paranoia, when I'm just trying to look at things from both points of view and at all angles. People can become very corrupt. I deal with the aftermath of this crap every single day!

Haha wow, I'm trying to start a war with a police by exposing the corrupt ones who abuse their power? Get the f*** out of here. You constantly try to defend the police when the majority of the articles I post clearly show they are in the wrong. Yes people can become corrupt, that is the whole point of this thread. The only way to fight corruption is to shine light on it and expose it so others know if they try to do something similar then they will be caught as well. You can't hide under a rock and pray it goes away or just pretend everything is peachy keen like FAUX news tells you it is. You would think somebody that was bullied to a point that they threw another human under a bus would want injustices in the world irradicated
 
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Yeah demanding police reform and accountability isn't a "war on the police".
 
Why do so many not want to hold cops responsible?
 
Not true. being nude is a form of expression, but I bet you wouldn't get very far for walking butt ass nude down Time Square before cops arrest you. If you go into a school and start using strong profanity, they can have you removed. If you scream or yell at your children in hostile manners, you can and will be arrested for verbal abuse. If you use your expression to try and instigate riots or to threatene anyone or anything, you will be arrested and very well be charged for making such threats. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression does not give a person the right to do things that are detrimental to society as a whole.

I wasn't talking about nudity.

I was talking about verbally insulting the police during a stop.

You have a 1st Amendment right to verbally insult the police, the president, the pope or a king.

There was a time when insulting cartain people was an arrestable offense and the founding fathers decided rules like that countered democracy and freedom.

Police aren't supposed to find reasons to arrest people who insulted them. When they do they're putting their pride above people's constitutional rights.
 
Why do so many not want to hold cops responsible?

I feel like its a few reasons, one of them being if they do that they'll have to admit and accept that there is actual racial tension within some officers. A lot of people are still in denial, which is why most of the finger pointing is aimed at the victims of police brutality.

And a lot of people (especially on here) really feel as though most of the victims had it coming, which I don't think is fair at all.
 
I understand exactly what Warhorse is saying. He's not saying cops shouldn't be held responsible, he's just looking at it from both sides. Come on, some of you guys are acting like we are pro cops. We are not. We can just see both sides of the argument. I actually see you guys side more so but I'm not going to be blind and say that some people kind of make matters worse when they don't have to.
 
I hear you Docker. Speaking for myself, I definitely look at both sides in THESE situations specifically, mainly because I can't speak on what other cops do or don't do. But in these specific situations that we bring up here, the majority of the time the cops are completely in the wrong.
 
I understand exactly what Warhorse is saying. He's not saying cops shouldn't be held responsible, he's just looking at it from both sides. Come on, some of you guys are acting like we are pro cops. We are not. We can just see both sides of the argument. I actually see you guys side more so but I'm not going to be blind and say that some people kind of make matters worse when they don't have to.

Yes some people make things worse by having an attitude but "worse" should mean a higher ticket fine, not an arrest or physical injury.

Once the punishement reaches those levels there is a clear abuse of authority by the police officer.
 
I hear you Docker. Speaking for myself, I definitely look at both sides in THESE situations specifically, mainly because I can't speak on what other cops do or don't do. But in these specific situations that we bring up here, the majority of the time the cops are completely in the wrong.

I agree, especially when those cops in Cleveland got off for killing that kid when they clearly murdered him in cold blood. That's crazy!

I will say this and I hope this doesn't come off wrong but I don't get some of the civil rights "leaders" like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. There was a mass shooting in NYC where a lot of people got shot(like 14 I think)and some people died but you don't hear about it anywhere. Same as Detroit and Baltimore. Those places seem to slowly become the new Iraq with all the bullets flying everywhere. But yet there is no marching or saying black lives matter there. But in that same area(Baltimore)one guy dies who has a shady background in the hands of cops and people want to burn the city down. Come on! :whatever:
 
I agree, especially when those cops in Cleveland got off for killing that kid when they clearly murdered him in cold blood. That's crazy!

I will say this and I hope this doesn't come off wrong but I don't get some of the civil rights "leaders" like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. There was a mass shooting in NYC where a lot of people got shot(like 14 I think)and some people died but you don't hear about it anywhere. Same as Detroit and Baltimore. Those places seem to slowly become the new Iraq with all the bullets flying everywhere. But yet there is no marching or saying black lives matter there. But in that same area(Baltimore)one guy dies who has a shady background in the hands of cops and people want to burn the city down. Come on! :whatever:

Usually when someone kills another person they're hunted down and arrested.

Which is why people get especially angry when police murder someone. There's no accountability.

Typically when a killer cop is arrested, there are no riots.
 
You must be talking about the shooting of 13 people in East New York this weekend. No one died though, I don't think (not trying to take up for anything, though). And honetly, that's just a rough neighborhood. I used to live by there and yeah, stuff gets wild but that's everywhere. The leaders speak on the violence in our communities as well, but in my personal opinion its much easier to attack police brutality against blacks (or just police brutality period) than a buncha dudes shooting each other over a disagreement or warring neighborhoods. Understand that those people in those hoods aren't shooting each other because they have some sort of deep rooted hate or animosity towards people of another race. They're just people being violent, just like people everywhere.

Of course, I don't agree with it.
 
You must be talking about the shooting of 13 people in East New York this weekend. No one died though, I don't think (not trying to take up for anything, though). And honetly, that's just a rough neighborhood. I used to live by there and yeah, stuff gets wild but that's everywhere. The leaders speak on the violence in our communities as well, but in my personal opinion its much easier to attack police brutality against blacks (or just police brutality period) than a buncha dudes shooting each other over a disagreement or warring neighborhoods. Understand that those people in those hoods aren't shooting each other because they have some sort of deep rooted hate or animosity towards people of another race. They're just people being violent, just like people everywhere.

Of course, I don't agree with it.
That's my point though and it honestly makes people look like hypocrites. I can't remember but last year, Detroit or Chicago had like a record number of shootings in one weekend but no one said a word about it. In Ferguson where Brown is on multiple videos doing some questionable things and yet met an end that people can't be shocked about.....now people want to riot. In Baltimore(I'm there again)people rioted after the Gray murder. Now I saw on the news that murders have skyrocketed now that the police have stepped back. Now people are crying for the police. If I'm a cop, you have to be kind of leery now. Yes I chose that field of work but all these anti cop protests going around when there are people who clearly strand that gray area doing questionable things.........It's difficult man. Very difficult.
 
Nah, you can't really compare the two. Doesn't matter what Mike Brown did, none of it justified him getting killed by someone that is meant to serve and protect. And with it being revealed that some of the cops involved in all these unarmed killings falsified info (like us skeptics suspected multiple times) it makes the Mike Brown case look even fishier. But moving from that, violence in communities--there can be things done to help, but that isn't something that can just happen overnight. Getting racist cops/officers that abuse their authority all the way out of here is proving slightly easier, though (thanks to body cams, unfortunately)

And again, the people and families of victims in violent communities definitely speak up on it, but places like Chicago have been been wild for YEARS. Same thing with police brutality against blacks, which is also something that has been brought up and protested against for years as well. People just aren't listening because they don't REALLY care about what goes on in "the hood".
 
Nah, you can't really compare the two. Doesn't matter what Mike Brown did, none of it justified him getting killed by someone that is meant to serve and protect. And with it being revealed that some of the cops involved in all these unarmed killings falsified info (like us skeptics suspected multiple times) it makes the Mike Brown case look even fishier. But moving from that, violence in communities--there can be things done to help, but that isn't something that can just happen overnight. Getting racist cops/officers that abuse their authority all the way out of here is proving slightly easier, though (thanks to body cams, unfortunately)

And again, the people and families of victims in violent communities definitely speak up on it, but places like Chicago have been been wild for YEARS. Same thing with police brutality against blacks, which is also something that has been brought up and protested against for years as well. People just aren't listening because they don't REALLY care about what goes on in "the hood".
If they spoke as loud about black on black crime as they do about police brutality, I guarantee you their voices will be heard.
 
If they spoke as loud about black on black crime as they do about police brutality, I guarantee you their voices will be heard.

They do, but the thing is they're not always calling it "black on black crime". And like I've stated before, the term "black on black crime" invites the narrative that blacks are killing each other because of their skin color or something. This isn't a matter of them attacking each other because of what the other person looks like. This is proximity violence. You dump a bunch of oppressed people in a crappy community and force them to raise families there because they can't afford to live somewhere else--I'd expect violence in some way, shape or form as well. Again, not justifying it, you just gotta look at things from both sides like you stated before. Most people don't try to take the time to understand where these people are coming from or why they are where they are or why they're form where they're from. It makes a big difference. They just shout out "why don't they do something?" Why don't the people that are so called concerned with "black on black crime" or community violence actually go to these places do something then instead of asking "why won't they get it together?" (Not saying you said this, Docker. This is just something I hear asked over and over again)

How come no one calls it "white on white violence" or "hispanic on hispanic violence"?
 
Let's be real: black people killing each other has darn near become an epidemic. There's no other way to put it. It is black on black crime. As much as I want to say it's just kids being kids, it's not.
 
If they spoke as loud about black on black crime as they do about police brutality, I guarantee you their voices will be heard.

People go to prison for black on black crime.

Cops get away with police brutality, even murder. Also people hold them to a much higher standard than the average criminal given that cops are given a great deal of power and authority over people's lives.
 
These black people are not killing each other because they are black. These cops, on the other hand, are killing suspects because they're black. THAT'S an "epidemic."

So are we calling this "black on black crime" because of the numbers alone? Because those numbers may be higher than other races? Because its whats in the news? I'm confused, cause last I checked (and I'm going to check the official FBI website for the stats to make sure) crimes committed by whites against other whites is actually higher than blacks attacking blacks in the US.
 
These black people are not killing each other because they are black. These cops, on the other hand, are killing suspects because they're black. THAT'S an "epidemic."

Exactly! People kill me with the "but blacks kill blacks" nonsense. So cops should be able to kill black people willy nilly because black criminals kill other black people..? :wall:

ALL "races" mostly commit crime amongst themselves. We don't call it "white on white" crime, though.
 
Police Body Cams Should Turn on Automatically, Says Richard Stallman

Richard Stallman is famous for creating the GNU operating system, and founding the free software movement, which changed how we develop software. Now he’s published an essay in Technology Review about how police body cams should switch on automatically any time an officer pulls out a weapon.

Stallman’s proposals are somewhat similar to what we’ve seen previously from groups like the ACLU, which crafted a model bill for regulating policy body cams. In that model bill, the ACLU suggests that police should turn body cams on whenever they respond to a call or interact with a member of the public — except when it would be dangerous for the officer to turn the camera on. Here’s the exact language:

Both the video and audio recording functions of the body camera shall be activated whenever a law enforcement officer is responding to a call for service or at the initiation of any other law enforcement or investigative encounter between a law enforcement officer and a member of the public, except that when an immediate threat to the officer’s life or safety makes activating the camera impossible or dangerous, the officer shall activate the camera at the first reasonable opportunity to do so. The body camera shall not be deactivated until the encounter has fully concluded and the law enforcement officer leaves the scene.​

The problem with this rule, however, is that it relies on the police to determine when to switch on their cams — and it leads to blackout periods during violent confrontations. That’s why Stallman suggests a technological fix.

He proposes that body cams should automatically go on during certain “significant events” within a distance of “perhaps 50 meters.” That would mean, essentially, that police couldn’t argue that they were in too much danger to activate their cams, because they would automatically activate at these moments. Stallman suggests these significant events should include any time the officer wields a weapon. Here is his proposal:

1. Whenever the agent removes a gun from its holster.

2. Whenever the agent takes a weapon in hand to use it. Weapons would include guns, tasers, sticks, and others.

3. Whenever the agent pushes a button to declare an event. Agents should be trained and required to do this when they see a violent attack or an injury, and then to aim their cameras at least briefly toward whatever they saw.

4. Whenever the system’s microphone detects a gunshot.​

Stallman goes on to argue that footage should be uploaded promptly, and retained until “citizens can verify that they are not being watched without grounds.” He also suggests that footage should not be released to the public or officers unless “a judge rules that they cover part of an act of violence.” He does not explain what kinds of tech would be involved in building this automated event detection system, but one has to assume it would involve a set of algorithms that would be constantly evaluating sensor data coming from microphones and the officers’ movements.

It’s interesting to get this perspective from someone who has worked for so long to create transparency and freedom in software development. Essentially, he’s asking that we use software to verify that there’s transparency in law enforcement, too.

http://gizmodo.com/police-body-cams-should-turn-on-automatically-says-ric-1721818911

Seems like a good idea to me
 
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