Days of Future Past Actors from original trilogy on First Class sequel with Days of Future Past - Part 1

[spideyboy_1111]

@lordofthenerds: Go ahead and make your list, although I expect that most of its content will be comprised of minor quibbles.

thing is... if there were just a few "minor quibbles" you'd be right... but there's actually MANY "minor quibbles" , and those actually DO add up.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Xavier and Magneto have never been truly at loggerheads with each other to the point that they could never be reconciled, and the ending of First Class is consistent with that.

The Cerebro thing is clearly a retcon, as is the age at which Charles first met Erik.

Retcon.... apparently now = "we can now use the word as an excuse to ignore continuity and make our own"

sorry... retcon or not, it's a continuity error.. and a pointless one at that. Those are the very reasons why this franchise is week as a whole

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ignore the opening scene of Last Stand.Let's be honest the reason for that
Is at time Bryan Singer probally only wanted First Class to be seen as prequel to his films but Fox later made it clear they wanted Last Stand In cannon.

Xavier said magneto helped him build cerebro.he never said they Invented Cerebro.Easy way around It.Offscreen during first Class magneto helped Xavier rebuild cerebro protype In mansion.

Yes magneto's helmet Is an error.a possable way around it Is The Shaw helmet eventully was overpowered by Xavier and Magneto bulit a more powerful version and Xavier was surprised by this.

Moira Is a major plothole and Is sign first Class was originally suspose to be prequel to X-Men and X2 only.

The dialogue about past when It comes to hwen Xavier and Magneto first met and Cyclops,storm,and jean as some of my first students Is getting trying to debate.man franchises and TV shows make liberties with what Is said In dialogue.

Beast on TV In X2 was easter eggExpecting them to stay true to maybe 30 seconds of screentime Is silly.

As has been mentioned In this thread nobody Identied them In first Class cerebro sequenze as storm and Cyclops.It's getting to be pointless debate.

meh.. once you start telling people to "ignore this and that" ... you're giving the film excuses to still make sense in your head. You're forcing it to work for you rather than the film telling you how it is.

The films are full of errors... and that's how it is. people shouldn't be making ridiculous excuses for them.

 

[GuestStar2004]

sounds like brian isn't ignoring any of the Xmen films with days of future past

 

[spideyboy_1111]

no x-men film is being ignored

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174689-bryan-singer-talks-x-men-days-of-future-past

 

[marvelrobbins]

meh.. once you start telling people to "ignore this and that" ... you're giving the film excuses to still make sense in your head. You're forcing it to work for you rather than the film telling you how it is.

The films are full of errors... and that's how it is. people shouldn't be making ridiculous excuses for them.

So you must obviously complained when In Incredible Hulk Tony Stark met up with General ross where at end of Iron Man 2 SHield didn't want Stark as part
of Avengers or that The begining of avengers totally conflicts with post crredit
scene of Thor.And I could mention J.J. Abrams Isn't perfect with contunity with
his projects.On Alias the writers never bothered to pay attention to things
they established.

 

[Snikt]

THANK YOU BRYAN SINGER!!!

I'm happy the man is saying he's not ignoring any of the other X-Men films. We can finally put that to rest.

Just because some people don't like a film, it doesn't mean it should be ignored. Unless that franchise is being completely Rebooted (Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk).

 

[marvelrobbins]

sounds like brian isn't ignoring any of the Xmen films with days of future past

People also need to be prepared for not every single error and Liberty to be explained away somehow.They still have to tell the days of future past story
which spans two timeperoids and you have 2 casts to balance.

Some people are going to use them taking origins Into account to make negative comments.Just wait what some of haters will say on front page.

 

[DigificWriter]

marvelrobbins, the TIH thing isn't a continuity error because it takes place, chronologically, after the events of I'M2 and is consistent with his being a 'consultant'.

I don't personally see the issue 're: Avengers and Thor, but whatever.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The avengers clearly shows Loki taking control of selvig for first time when he arrives on earth.Yet In Thor post credit scene Selvig Is already under Loki's control.And Joss Whedon
directed the post credit scene of Thor so he has no excuse.

You can make a case they kinda reconn the context of final scene of Increidble Hulk.

And J.J. Abrams work often doesn't make total sense as far as Contunity goes.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So you must obviously complained when In Incredible Hulk Tony Stark met up with General ross where at end of Iron Man 2 SHield didn't want Stark as part
of Avengers or that The begining of avengers totally conflicts with post crredit
scene of Thor.And I could mention J.J. Abrams Isn't perfect with contunity with
his projects.On Alias the writers never bothered to pay attention to things
they established.

how did the post cred scene of thor conflict with avengers?? Loki was watching what was going on through the eyes of selvig, (it's showing he had eyes and ears of the opperation) ??????????????? and when we see avengers.. loki arrives as selvig is already working on the cube... there's no error there.

yes there's a bit of a confusion with the hulk scene.. but, we know tony was aware of banner in avengers, and It's possibly believable that while tony wasn't part of the initiative yet... shield might of had him run errands for it

it's far less of a stretch then the x-men flubs

 

[JP]

no x-men film is being ignored

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174689-bryan-singer-talks-x-men-days-of-future-past

This was a great read. The highlight for me is him acknowledging there is "some clean up" to be done.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The Hulk scene can work but It's clear they somewhat reconned the context of scene.

Sorry but Thor post credit clearly has Selgis under loki's control.And Joss whedon has no excuse for that since he directed It.

If you want to see some real clear errors try watching J.J. Abrams' Alias.And Longtime Star Trek fans can give you errors used In star Trek 2009 especilly since the so called rules were given everything same before Neo's arraval In 23rd century and the characters are same It's just parts of history have been altered.

 

[DigificWriter]

First Class and The Wolverine both appear to ignore Origins: Wolverine, so we'll see what happens with DoFP.

 

[JP]

First Class and The Wolverine both appear to ignore Origins: Wolverine, so we'll see what happens with DoFP.

The Wolverine is a stand alone/self contained film. It doesn't ignore anything.

 

[marvelrobbins]

well bryan Singer has clearly said origins Is part of film cannon.

If they are going to try to address errors that tells me It's unlikely they are going to pull
a Abrams Trek and erase all non first Class films.

as for how he's going to do it who knows.Just doing Days of future past In timeframes and balancing the 2 casts.But now also trying to reconciling errors.He has such a big job ahead of him that you wouldn't want to be In his shoes.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The Wolverine is a stand alone/self contained film. It doesn't ignore anything.

James Mangold recently said there Isn't any direct references to any past film
so nothing to conterdict.It's more a stand alone Wolverine story at some point
after the events of Last Stand.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Wolverine is a stand alone/self contained film. It doesn't ignore anything.

We will see; we know that we'll see the bone claws in The Wolverine, but photos of said claws seem to indicate that their inclusion is used in a different context than in Origins: Wolverine.

 

[GuestStar2004]

James Mangold recently said there Isn't any direct references to any past film
so nothing to conterdict.It's more a stand alone Wolverine story at some point
after the events of Last Stand.

the jean cameo may connect it to x3

 

[marvelrobbins]

The bone claws are used at film's prolugue which shows Wolverine as POW In Japan during world war II. Just because the opening of origins always showed him with sabretooth during wars doesn't mean at some point he serve without him.

Anyone else starting to think maybe the tie In to DOFP In The wolverine could be ending
with shows wolverine returning to America and finding destroyed mansion showing the sentinles are begining their attacks on mutants.

 

[marvelrobbins]

the jean cameo may connect it to x3

That's true.i was only pointing what he said.who knows what the context
of Famke Janssen's cameo will be.

 

[BMM]

Every film included? Clean up? Multiple timelines? Yep. Really curious to see where we land, when all is said and done.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The avengers clearly shows Loki taking control of selvig for first time when he arrives on earth.Yet In Thor post credit scene Selvig Is already under Loki's control.And Joss Whedon
directed the post credit scene of Thor so he has no excuse.

You can make a case they kinda reconn the context of final scene of Increidble Hulk.

And J.J. Abrams work often doesn't make total sense as far as Contunity goes.

he's influencing. not under control. we also don't know how far loki's bounds were magically from space to earth. he was obviously spying on them before hand

 

[spideyboy_1111]

This was a great read. The highlight for me is him acknowledging there is "some clean up" to be done.

most def. and i hope there via good writting and not retcons. there's plenty of creative ways to fix things (the cure not working alone, brings back mystique and rogue) and phoenix has infinite outs.. and there's a couple creative ones for scott (most simple being jean traded spots with him, placing him inside her water cocoon)

 

[JP]

most def. and i hope there via good writting and not retcons. there's plenty of creative ways to fix things (the cure not working alone, brings back mystique and rogue) and phoenix has infinite outs.. and there's a couple creative ones for scott (most simple being jean traded spots with him, placing him inside her water cocoon)

Possibly. Part of me feels that they're going to save Scott/Jean for the post-timeline changed future.