Actors from original trilogy on First Class sequel with Days of Future Past - Part 2

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  1. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Well-Known Member

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    I hadn't considered the whole 'mutant and proud' angle, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Mystique abandoning Nightcrawler would be a contradiction.
     
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  2. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    ...Im brain storming ideas on how it could work. Im not assuming that that is what happens. Its much more open minded than simply "noitwontworkandnothingwillconvincemeothwrwise!!!!" like you seem to think
     
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  3. psylockolussus

    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    Hatred? I didn't know she hated Professor X. Just because they were in different sides, it doesn't mean its personal. She did poison Xavier in X1, but she was merely following Magneto's order.

    Assuming Azazel would rape Mystique is too much.
     
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  4. Great Mind(s)

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    "Mutant and proud" Mystique could still abandon baby Nightcrawler. I mean, she doesn't have to act 1 dimensional all the time. Maybe she knows both that raising a child in a hostile terrorist organization is a bad thing and that it's not going to be easy for a mutant baby like him to grow up in a normal society...so she abandons him with a circus or something.
     
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  5. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    Well because XFC gave us a pretty deep xavier / mystique connection (which honestly wasn't needed) they kinda have to explain why neither one of them talk to the other in the OT .... The lack of talking to a man that essentially was your sibling imo means there's quite alot of animosity there
     
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  6. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    At least it'd explain alot ... Its probably the most drastic way... But its just one example of many
     
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  7. Hawkingbird

    Hawkingbird I want to be Kate Bishop

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    Yeah, a bit too dark.
     
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  8. DigificWriter

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    Given Mystique's characterization in the films, I can very easily envision a scenario where Kurt is born 'normal' and Erik convinced Mystique to kill the child by abandoning him to die through exposure to the elements, only for the Wagners to find and raise him, with his mutant powers and abnormal appearance only later manifesting themselves.
     
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  9. EnDz0n3

    EnDz0n3 Marvel Legend

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    Considering Azazel is not a very good character to begin with and a horrendous character (read: joke character, written by a joke of a writer Chuck Austen) in the comics, I doubt fans of the "source material" are clamouring to see that character have a bigger part in this franchise as it stands.
     
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  10. lordofthenerds

    lordofthenerds Not a Goddamn Side-Kick

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    That would make both characters incredibly stupid and rash. The prior films made it clear mutations usually manifest themselves at puberty. Magneto and Mystique should know this.
     
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  11. BMM

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    Not really. spideyboy is right. Giving up a child is circumstantial. Anybody with any life experience knows that a multitude of emotions often can and do arise when a woman gives birth to a child, especially her first, and those easily outweigh the "mutant and proud" slogan that was parroted throughout First Class. Just because Mystique is mutant and proud, and leaves with Erik on that beach, doesn't mean she wants to raise a child in that environment. Maybe she gives him up, knowing that is what is best for him. That's certainly keeping in line with some of the Raven we see in First Class. Conversely, maybe Mystique wants nothing to do with her son. 11 years later, maybe she takes a more hardened approach and gives him up because she doesn't want him holding her back, which would be in line with the Mystique we see in the original trilogy. There are a number of ways they can handle it, if they choose to address it at all.
     
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  12. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    Except in FC young xavier and mystique already had there abilities and were both prepubecent.... And appeared to possibly of had those abilities for at least a little while
     
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  13. DigificWriter

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    Regarding why Mystique and Xavier don't talk to each other during the events of the OXT, I can very easily see her 'us vs. them' mentality only deepening, and Xavier's noble insistence on trying to 'build bridges' leading her to view him as an enemy and consequently bury any affection she held for him. I can also conceivably see Xavier learning of that and being deeply hurt by it, but not 'forcing the issue', as it were.

    lordofthenerds, Mystique has very deep-set anger issues when it comes to humans. First Class and the OXT make this clear, and I think it is therefore very much in character for both her and Magneto to behave in the manner I talked about above.
     
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  14. lordofthenerds

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    They would still know better.

    Unless you're saying that XFC made a continuity error (which is completely understandable), and now all mutants are born with their powers at birth.
     
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  15. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    Exactly. Also, there is the possibility that mystique goes to the extreme of distancing herself from humans by voiding herself of human emotions like "love and compassion" singer also purposely gave mystique and NC a scene in X2 very well knowing she's his mother. What if that line of "we shouldn't have to" is the one act of motherhood mystique gives to NC while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that she knows he's her son.
     
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  16. lordofthenerds

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    I agree, but that wasn't the point. How would they know the child wasn't a mutant if most of them don't show any signs of mutation until puberty?
     
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  17. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    In the comics its both though. Xaiver even states on film "most powers manifest at puberty" key word... "most" . Charles, Raven, and Kurt in the comics were always told to have been born with there abilities. The movie series obviously gave movie xavier and mystique that same trait
     
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  18. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Well-Known Member

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    Another angle to consider is that, because of his own sexual orientation and life experiences, Singer has very much infused the films he's been involved in thus far with an emphasis on the parallels between mutantkind and the LBGT community, particularly the negative prejudices that many LBGT individuals face, and has even sort of reversed those prejudices to some degree with regards to Magneto and Mystique.
     
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  19. lordofthenerds

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    But Magneto is a very intelligent and well-informed mutant. The fact that most mutants develop their powers well after birth would be enough for him to realize that the baby Mystique just conceived could likely be a mutant.
     
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  20. spideyboy_1111

    spideyboy_1111 Young Avenger

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    Im not basing my ideas of Kurt being born looking human though...
     
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  21. lordofthenerds

    lordofthenerds Not a Goddamn Side-Kick

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    I wasn't arguing with your ideas. I was arguing with the idea that Mystique and Magneto leave her baby to die because they believe she conceived a human.
     
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  22. spideyboy_1111

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    That's the plot hole in that reasoning... Which is why imo NC shouldn't be born human.
     
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  23. Mrs Vimes

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    I never really got an impression that Mystique hated Xavier in the original trilogy. More that she just didn't really have any feelings towards him. After all that whole relationship did not even ever exist when they were making the trilogy, and Mystique was not exactly chatty or confessional on most subjects.
     
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  24. blueserenity

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    It is absolutely appalling and DISGUSTING that people keep bringing this up as a possibility. Rape is NOT A PLOT DEVICE, people. Movies that involve it address the weight and horror of it. They're not using it because they need one of their characters to get pregnant. For the love of god stop suggesting it.
     
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  25. Great Mind(s)

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    Well he's the devil isn't he? Kind of symbolism there.
     
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