Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Adrianne Palicki IS Mockingbird

[Dark Raven]

This is what I expected of Mockingbird's fighting:

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Now tell me that doesn't seem more like Mockingbird than Adrianne's version, and also more Mockingbird than Black Canary. Imagine Bobbi doing any of that on AOS and think how awesome it would be.

Caity Lotz even puts her sticks together and forms a long bo which she twirls around just like Bobbi should.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

This is what I expected of Mockingbird's fighting:

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Now tell me that doesn't seem more like Mockingbird than Adrianne's version, and also more Mockingbird than Black Canary. Imagine Bobbi doing any of that on AOS and think how awesome it would be.

Caity Lotz even puts her sticks together and forms a long bo which she twirls around just like Bobbi should.

Salmon Ladder Pull-up exercise ... yummy

Yeah, I think you're saying the same thing as I am just with video evidence t:

 

[Dark Raven]

Also, Canary's costume, apart from being all in black, looks more like Mockingbird's than the SHIELD uniform she wears in the show. It almost looks like an all-black version of this:

Bobbi could've worn a jacket like Canary, and had a white top underneath made of a different material. If she wanted to zip it up at times for stealth, she could've done so, but could also have worn it down often, showing off the white top underneath.

I was more on board with Palicki at first when she was announced, but as the weeks have gone on, she hasn't lived up to her promise, and she just doesn't seem very agile or nimble either, which is a key characteristic of Mockingbird. I think they should've cast someone shorter. It's a shame Arrow had already cast Caity Lotz, even though she's no longer on the show, because she would've actually made a pretty good Mockingbird.

 

[Heretic]

I got quite a bit of flack for suggesting that she should wear white...but for me it comes down to marketing. You can't market toys, Halloween costumes etc of "SHIELD agent" so its best to let Quake and Mockingbird customize their outfits.

 

[Dark Raven]

I got quite a bit of flack for suggesting that she should wear white...but for me it comes down to marketing. You can't market toys, Halloween costumes etc of "SHIELD agent" so its best to let Quake and Mockingbird customize their outfits.

Well, even if for argument's sake, she didn't wear white, but wore all black, Caity's Canary's costume still manages to look more like Mockingbird's than Adrianne's one and doesn't look like a SHIELD outfit at all.

But as I said, Bobbi could've worn a dark jacket over a white top, which she could've zipped up if she wanted to go into stealth mode, but could wear down the rest of the time. Even that little white bit underneath would be enough of a nod to Bobbi's comic look.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I got quite a bit of flack for suggesting that she should wear white...but for me it comes down to marketing. You can't market toys, Halloween costumes etc of "SHIELD agent" so its best to let Quake and Mockingbird customize their outfits.

I agree, but I assume it won't happen until midway through season 3

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

*pats Heretic on the back* It's okay man. I get what you mean.

*sighs* Well, here's hoping we'll see more of Bobbi doing what she does best, besides keeping secrets. You know, it took me a while to catch up on season 2...I wasn't sure if I was going to watch it at all when I saw that preview of Bobbi moving down the white lit hallway, which reminded me of the scene from Iron Man 2 with Black Widow. First thing that came to mind was, "Ookay...whatever...but she ain't no Black Widow." I dunno, maybe I am just not familiar with Mockingbird. Anyway, I thought about it...then I decided to give the show a chance and so I did...when I got to Episode 5, I wasn't sure if I was going to like Bobbi as a character. But that all changed after I watched the episode. I thought she was a good addition to the cast...but looking back on it, I am not so sure. No offense to Palicki...I thought what she was doing with the character was decent so far but honestly, I don't know what to think anymore.

I do love the banter between Bobbi and Hunter - I really do...and mind you, she's good at that but I want to see less of that for now and hopefully, just hopefully, the writers improve on her character a little bit more.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, trying to argue that the SHIELD agent should wear a costume that show cleavage at all kind of kills your argument. Not only does it look stupid, it in now way fits her character or her profession. It's the one problem with the current comic book costume, the artists just cannot help themselves. They just HAVE to throw in a little pointless fanservice.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, trying to argue that the SHIELD agent should wear a costume that show cleavage at all kind of kills your argument. Not only does it look stupid, it in now way fits her character or her profession. It's the one problem with the current comic book costume, the artists just cannot help themselves. They just HAVE to throw in a little pointless fanservice.

The white top she's been wearing casually in the last couple of episodes doesn't show off her cleavage though. It's not that low cut. What's wrong with her having something like that under a jacket that she could zip up, but also zip down and wear open when she's not in stealth mode?

 

[BoredGuy]

well, Palicki does have the cleavage to support it, and it might be a tactical advantage when your male enemies are unable to think straight, lol
but I agree, her having the full-fledged mockingbird outfit would seem strange at the moment. It just makes sense that she'd be wearing a SHIELD outfit, with minor tweaks, than to have a colorful superhero costume.

This is what I expected of Mockingbird's fighting:

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Now tell me that doesn't seem more like Mockingbird than Adrianne's version, and also more Mockingbird than Black Canary. Imagine Bobbi doing any of that on AOS and think how awesome it would be.

Caity Lotz even puts her sticks together and forms a long bo which she twirls around just like Bobbi should.

See, watching that made me feel the exact opposite.
The fighting in Arrow tends to feel very choreographed and lacking in impact to me
Maybe AoS isn't quite as flashy, but the hits just seem to hurt more, there's more weight to it

the bo thing is fun though

 

[Heretic]

Who says it has to be a low cut top?

 

[wcarne]

Hey all, I'm just catching up on this thread. I agree with comments about being a little disappointed so far, especially with the fighting. I would imagine Palicki is probably still doing a bunch of fight training for the show so hopefully it'll get better after the break. I expect it'll smooth out.

Since we're still talking about the white in the costume, I've used my "killer" 'shop skills to attempt it to see what it would look like. Here is a before/after. It's not perfect, but it gives an idea. Personally, I think the white could work, despite what the costume designer said about it looking bad on film.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Very nice. Better than what I could have done...

The only aspect I agree with most of the comments is the fighting...it could be better if Palicki's trainer continues to work with her more for the second half of the season.

 

[wcarne]

Ya. To be honest the problem might even be a crappy stunt double. It's hard to say. In my opinion the hand to hand in shield has always been a little weak. Arrow does a better job with less money. Maybe they just need a new fight coordinator. Who knows.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

Ya. To be honest the problem might even be a crappy stunt double. It's hard to say. In my opinion the hand to hand in shield has always been a little weak. Arrow does a better job with less money. Maybe they just need a new fight coordinator. Who knows.

Arrow used to have ( may still have) some of Circe Soleil cast - it was particularly noticeable in the silk work of Black Canary - like the roll entry where the silk drap unrolls to reveal the Canary or when Canary falls from a building after fighting The Huntress and uses the Silk rope to save herself.


BTW Canary fighting The Huntress was a poor fight, mostly because The Huntress is not at The Canary's level

 

[Indy Flash]

Hey all, I'm just catching up on this thread. I agree with comments about being a little disappointed so far, especially with the fighting. I would imagine Palicki is probably still doing a bunch of fight training for the show so hopefully it'll get better after the break. I expect it'll smooth out.

Since we're still talking about the white in the costume, I've used my "killer" 'shop skills to attempt it to see what it would look like. Here is a before/after. It's not perfect, but it gives an idea. Personally, I think the white could work, despite what the costume designer said about it looking bad on film.

Very nice.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I think you all need to accept that this isn't the comics. Mockingbird isn't going to wear a bright white "please shoot me when I'm trying to hide" outfit for the same reasons Hawkeye isn't decked out in bright purple. They're SHIELD agents, so they wear tactical suits (even Cap had to fall in line for this)

 

[wcarne]

I think you all need to accept that this isn't the comics. Mockingbird isn't going to wear a bright white "please shoot me when I'm trying to hide" outfit for the same reasons Hawkeye isn't decked out in bright purple. They're SHIELD agents, so they wear tactical suits (even Cap had to fall in line for this)

Actually I totally get that and agree with it. At least too a point. Hawkeye is not wearing bright purple cause it's ridiculous, not cause it'd make him a target. That's one costume that even in the comics I always thought was ridiculous. That said: Cap still wears the Stars and Stripes. Thor wears his colours. Cause they work. Sure they're militarized a bit but that's ok. Mockingbirds could get the same treatment. I think right now that mockingbird the shield agent needs the dark colours or she'd be out of place. But when/if she reaches "superhero" status in the show or movies, then all bets are off cause at that point well... She's a superhero so who cares if she's "an easier target".

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I think you all need to accept that this isn't the comics. Mockingbird isn't going to wear a bright white "please shoot me when I'm trying to hide" outfit for the same reasons Hawkeye isn't decked out in bright purple. They're SHIELD agents, so they wear tactical suits (even Cap had to fall in line for this)

Couldn't have said it way better. I agree with you here.

 

[cph9fa]

I made my own photoshop version that was much more subtle (more of a medium gray, rather than white). But in both cases, the lighter color highlights the weird rippled (almost corduroy-like) texture of the fabric. Now, I'm not sure what's going on with the fabric, but its really not terribly flattering in lighter colors, tbh.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Which is probably what they were talking about when they said white didn't show well on camera.

 

[Dark Raven]

Concluding that white doesn't work well based on that fabric they've used is like concluding Spider-Man's costume doesn't work well based on the 70s TV series version.

Of course if they pick a corduroy texture it won't look good.

Canary's costume in Arrow looked more like Mockingbird's. If instead of the black top Sara wore under her black jacket she wore a white top, that would work well for Bobbi. Zip it up when being stealthy, and wear it open when relaxed. How could anyone object to that?

 

[Human Torch]

Not fer nuthin' but,let's not forget,for the most part Bobbie has been wearing tight pale colored Tee shirts on the job.I seriously doubt a white stripe down the front of her jumpsuit is going to somehow render her look,ridiculous.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder if it's hard to find a stunt woman around the same height for Adrianne since she's so tall. Then she's left to have to do all her fighting herself, and since she's rather slow on her feet and in her movements (which is a more common problem among taller people) she doesn't look that great in her scenes.

Maybe Ming Na's stunt double can't really double for Adrianne, which is why May looks better when she fights.

 

[cph9fa]

I wonder if it's hard to find a stunt woman around the same height for Adrianne since she's so tall. Then she's left to have to do all her fighting herself, and since she's rather slow on her feet and in her movements (which is a more common problem among taller people) she doesn't look that great in her scenes.

Maybe Ming Na's stunt double can't really double for Adrianne, which is why May looks better when she fights.

Since you've been complaining about the stunt choreography a bit recently, I couldn't help but think of you when I came across this video the other day. (Granted, it's from season 1, so no Bobbi). Enjoy!

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