After watching X1 and X2 again recently.....

[MoPlaYa]

It is not the writer's...they are huge X fans...it is studio politics. Fox forced them to kill him off...I can almost guarantee that.

I agree...at least someone is on the same page as me...

 

[Speedball]

I have a feeling he would have been in LOTR even if he hadnt done X-Men

um... they started filming LOTR in 1999, before x-men came out.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I can't believe we're comparing Marsden and McKellen.

McKellen is a VERY accomplished actor... maybe not in cinema, but he is an amazing Shakespearian actor.

He's a much bigger actor than Marsden will probably ever be.

McKellen was made well before X-Men...

He is a better actor than Marsden, but popularity wise, about as many people had heard of him as had heard of Marsden. McKellen would have been lucky to ever break away from TV Shakespeare and crappy bit parts in subpar movies if he had never done X-Men.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It is not the writer's...they are huge X fans...it is studio politics. Fox forced them to kill him off...I can almost guarantee that.

I highly doubt Fox's parameters were "Bump off Cyclops, we don't want him in this movie"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

um... they started filming LOTR in 1999, before x-men came out.

Ummmm they started filming in October, the movie X-Men was released in July

 

[chaseter]

Ian McKellen got Gandalf and Magneto (and now he is in the Da Vinci Code, although it got panned) thats pretty much it. Marsden has Cyclops and no one else, but then I never said Marsden was a big star either. I just said a plain fact, Ian McKellen was about as big a star as Marsden until they made X-Men, and sorry that is a fact. If they'd never cast him as Magneto, he'd still be playing TV movies.

Last time I checked Ian Mckellan has been nominated for multiple academy awards...Marsden...0.
McKellan has been in X-Men, LOTR, DaVinci, The Shadow, Gods and Monsters...all huge hits. Marsden has been in X-Men, The Notebook, Sugar and Spice, Zoolander...the quality between those two are not the same. Sir Ian gets paid a lot more per movie and is a higher sought actor than Jimmy. You are in certain denial if you think Marsden and McKellan are on the same acting level.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Ummmm they started filming in October, the movie X-Men was released in July

July of 2000...

 

[MoPlaYa]

I highly doubt Fox's parameters were "Bump off Cyclops, we don't want him in this movie"

Maybe, Maybe not...but i`m sure they wanted thier bigger stars to shine and Jimmy didnt help his character by doing Superman

 

[chaseter]

I highly doubt Fox's parameters were "Bump off Cyclops, we don't want him in this movie"

Penn and Kinberg said they wanted a lot of things and fought for all of them but lost a lot of their battles to the studio. The studio is the ultimate decider of what is in and what is out. They could of very well said kill off Cyclops.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I highly doubt Fox's parameters were "Bump off Cyclops, we don't want him in this movie"

No, but I have a good feeling the parameters included Wolverine having to be the hero, the star, the savior, the leader.

And the only way for him to be the savior, and not Cyclops... death.

But, if Xavier's resurrected at the end, and not Cyclops... then I fully blame Zak and Simon for not resurrecting Scott as well. They know fully well how the fans feel about Scott dying. That, they could change.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Penn and Kinberg said they wanted a lot of things and fought for all of them but lost a lot of their battles to the studio. The studio is the ultimate decider of what is in and what is out. They could of very well said kill off Cyclops.

But I highly doubt they did.

They had parameters; i.e. limited availability, because he had Superman Returns.

Their lack of creativity made them kill off Cyclops to compensate, because they couldn't think of anything more imaginative.

 

[The Guard]

Marsden's availability opened up well in advance for them to make changes...

What does that mean? Elaborate, please. Do you know dates?

In fact, Marsden's availability opened up as soon as the shooting for X-Men 3 got pushed back until August.

So he was available...when, exactly?

They had enough time to find a way to put him into the 3rd act.

They chose not to.

The blame rests squarely on them.

That remains to be seen. It's going to take dates to decide that. And if Marsden truly did have limited availability, and his schedule did not allow for certain course in the story, I don't think "killing him off" happened because of a lack of creativity.

Unless you can prove otherwise. And that would take some dates.

 

[chaseter]

He is a better actor than Marsden, but popularity wise, about as many people had heard of him as had heard of Marsden. McKellen would have been lucky to ever break away from TV Shakespeare and crappy bit parts in subpar movies if he had never done X-Men.

And were would Marsden be...in crappy tv movies and shows as well. I am sorry but this is ridiculous to compare Jimmy and Ian and sit there and say that people know who Ian is just as much as they know who Marsden is.

 

[Speedball]

Ummmm they started filming in October, the movie X-Men was released in July

heres the filming dates from IMDB
LOTR: All three
11 October 1999-22 December 2000
X-men
27 September 1999 - February 2000
they were filmed at the same time.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Last time I checked Ian Mckellan has been nominated for multiple academy awards...Marsden...0.
McKellan has been in X-Men, LOTR, DaVinci, The Shadow, Gods and Monsters...all huge hits. Marsden has been in X-Men, The Notebook, Sugar and Spice, Zoolander...the quality between those two are not the same. Sir Ian gets paid a lot more per movie and is a higher sought actor than Jimmy. You are in certain denial if you think Marsden and McKellan are on the same acting level.

Dude the Shadow only made 40 million domestic...it wasn;t a HUGE HIT. and he was a bit part in that movie. And Gods and Monsters, while it may have been good was only shown in six theatres and was a low budget film. I never said Marsden was as Good an actor, I said he was about as popular.

 

[MoPlaYa]

But I highly doubt they did.

They had parameters; i.e. limited availability, because he had Superman Returns.

Their lack of creativity made them kill off Cyclops to compensate, because they couldn't think of anything more imaginative.

I highly doubt that...If they are X-Men Comic fans then I`m sure they liked Cyclops and they wouldnt have killed him off unless they had to

 

[chaseter]

But I highly doubt they did.

They had parameters; i.e. limited availability, because he had Superman Returns.

Their lack of creativity made them kill off Cyclops to compensate, because they couldn't think of anything more imaginative.

Yea I am sure that they lack creativity...that is why they are high paid writer's. That is just a sad excuse to cradle you in your insecurities. You have no idea what goes on in their process and neither do I. To say it was all the writer's fault is stupid. I am merely saying that Fox could of very well been the ones to do it. I never said they were deffinitely the ones and it is all their fault. Quit placing blame on the writers when you have no idea what circumstances forced them to make those choices.

 

[The Guard]

Agreed. Had there been ANY way to put him into the final battle, I imagine we would have seen Cyclops/Wolverine working together to stop Phoenix.

Either FOX ordered him killed off, written out early (which is unlikely), or Marsden's schedule did not allow for the filming of the final battle, and related scenes, but did allow for filming Phoenix's rise and a few lead-in scenes.

And it's a moot point, because it's done. It's happened.

 

[Speedball]

why not kill off half the cast? this is the last one right?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

And were would Marsden be...in crappy tv movies and shows as well. I am sorry but this is ridiculous to compare Jimmy and Ian and sit there and say that people know who Ian is just as much as they know who Marsden is.

Yeah Marsden would still be in crappy TV movies too if not for X-Men, du'h...but so would Ian, and Jackman wouldn't have a career (or much of one) either, and neither would Shawn Ashmore, or Aaron Stafford (who may still not) or most of that cast for that matter. But the point still stands, those actors were unknowns before X-Men, X-Men made them who they are today.

 

[WorthyStevens]

why not kill off half the cast? this is the last one right?

They could pull a '24'.

 

[chaseter]

Dude the Shadow only made 40 million domestic...it wasn;t a HUGE HIT. and he was a bit part in that movie. And Gods and Monsters, while it may have been good was only shown in six theatres and was a low budget film. I never said Marsden was as Good an actor, I said he was about as popular.

Gods and Monsters is hailed as Ian's greatest movie...he himself has said that it his most favorite. I can personally guarantee you that Sir Ian Mckellan is more popular and known throughout the world more than James Marsden. Hell...how many times has Jimmy hosted SNL...0. Ian has hosted it once or twice. How many times has Ian been seen at the Academy Awards...countless times. James Marsden...0. Ian is more well known and easily a better actor.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yea I am sure that they lack creativity...that is why they are high paid writer's. That is just a sad excuse to cradle you in your insecurities. You have no idea what goes on in their process and neither do I. To say it was all the writer's fault is stupid. I am merely saying that Fox could of very well been the ones to do it. I never said they were deffinitely the ones and it is all their fault. Quit placing blame on the writers when you have no idea what circumstances forced them to make those choices.

Under your logic, there'd never be a bad movie, because every director, script writer, and actor, since their paid professionals, they are obviously brilliant, right?

Wrong.

Bad movies get made. All the time.

I can have my opinion of what happened. I find it hard to believe that the studio would say "We don't want this character in our movie". I could believe them saying "You have to give him a smaller role, the actor has limited availability" and "Wolverine is our star, so make sure he gets plenty of screentime", but I don't see it going very far beyond that.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Gods and Monsters is hailed as Ian's greatest movie...he himself has said that it his most favorite. I can personally guarantee you that Sir Ian Mckellan is more popular and known throughout the world more than James Marsden. Hell...how many times has Jimmy hosted SNL...0. Ian has hosted it once or twice. How many times has Ian been seen at the Academy Awards...countless times. James Marsden...0. Ian is more well known and easily a better actor.

I think Shadow was talking about them being on the same level of celebrity before X-Men came out.

Today, it's a different story.​

 

[Speedball]

They could pull a '24'.

unlike that cast, most people like the characters. except for palmer and edgar, they were cool. still think the daughter should be killed off though.