Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 3

[HammerDown]

Btw someone said Ultron last form was not made of vibranium. And that Vision was also made of it.

I totally desagree.

Imo Vision is made of something else other than vibranium. The metal can't phase through stuff like Vision does. And his density thing wouldn't really be understandble if he was made of vibranium.

Ultron just takes the metal to build his device because is the strongest thing there is not to build the body he wanted for himself.

After loosing the body that originates Vision he then takes the strongest thing he has on hand to make himself as strong as possible and that is the vibranium his minions are using to build that device thus becaming "beefed up".

What else could have withstand a infinity stone beam, 2 IM repulsors and Thor's lightning at the same time without being completly obliterated!?

Well at least that's my take on it.

 

[DN91]

Yeah, the suit has a lot more hints of red. He's also had a haircut

Noticeable are the thin red-white-red stripes running on either side of the chest, like the stripes on Cap's STRIKE Stealth uniform. (Though the ones on the Falcon suit are thinner)

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I don't really get why Falcon joins the team at the end, other than because it's cool. He even says he doesn't want to be an Avenger, and nothing that happens in AoU indicates he would be chosen...

 

[Wylie Times]

Btw someone said Ultron last form was not made of vibranium. And that Vision was also made of it.

I totally desagree.

Imo Vision is made of something else other than vibranium. The metal can't phase through stuff like Vision does. And his density thing wouldn't really be understandble if he was made of vibranium.

Ultron just takes the metal to build his device because is the strongest thing there is not to build the body he wanted for himself.

After loosing the body that originates Vision he then takes the strongest thing he has on hand to make himself as strong as possible and that is the vibranium his minions are using to build that device thus becaming "beefed up".

What else could have withstand a infinity stone beam, 2 IM repulsors and Thor's lightning at the same time without being completly obliterated!?

Well at least that's my take on it.

No, Visions body was definitely made of Vibranium. Dr Cho remarked that the vibranium was binding the tissue cells. Dr. Cho and Ultron both mentioned how versatile Vibranium actually was and how it was wasteful for humans to have simply used it to make a Frisbee.

So Ultron is made of made of a Vibranium that's been melted and molded into a shape, while Vision is made of a composite of vibranium and flesh.

 

[John Locke]

Cap wanted Falcon from the beginning. The New Team was low on members so there was no reason for Falcon to say no to Cap. Who knows the team's first mission could be finding Bucky.

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't really get why Falcon joins the team at the end, other than because it's cool. He even says he doesn't want to be an Avenger, and nothing that happens in AoU indicates he would be chosen...

Falcon also said he was happy to be out of the military but made it clear he'd show up if Captain America ever needed his help.

In the comics If Steve Rogers is putting a team together the first person he'd call is Falcon.

 

[Mjölnir]

No, Visions body was definitely made of Vibranium. Dr Cho remarked that the vibranium was binding the tissue cells. Dr. Cho and Ultron both mentioned how versatile Vibranium actually was and how it was wasteful for humans to have simply used it to make a Frisbee.

So Ultron is made of made of a Vibranium that's been melted and molded into a shape, while Vision is made of a composite of vibranium and flesh.

I don't think Ultron is ever made of vibranium. Some of it goes into Vision, to bind the cells as you said, and then Iron Man (I think) say that he realized where the last of the vibranium went, which is in the machine that lifts the city.

If his body had been of vibranium I don't think they could have broken it. As powerful of of an attack it is with Thor, Vision and IM combining their attacks vibranium is indestructible as far as we know. To break it I think you need Thanos with the gems.

 

[sueb1863]

Somebody's probably asked this already, but are there any Bucky sightings in this movie, even in flashback mode? I'm guessing he gets mentioned at least once...

 

[Broseph44]

He's mentioned but not seen

 

[Iceman]

Yeah he gets mentioned when Cap talks to Falcon at the party scene.

 

[HammerDown]

No, Visions body was definitely made of Vibranium. Dr Cho remarked that the vibranium was binding the tissue cells. Dr. Cho and Ultron both mentioned how versatile Vibranium actually was and how it was wasteful for humans to have simply used it to make a Frisbee.

So Ultron is made of made of a Vibranium that's been melted and molded into a shape, while Vision is made of a composite of vibranium and flesh.

Ok. Thanks man.

I completly miss that part! :/

 

[TeeKay]

No, Visions body was definitely made of Vibranium. Dr Cho remarked that the vibranium was binding the tissue cells. Dr. Cho and Ultron both mentioned how versatile Vibranium actually was and how it was wasteful for humans to have simply used it to make a Frisbee.

So Ultron is made of made of a Vibranium that's been melted and molded into a shape, while Vision is made of a composite of vibranium and flesh.

Gotta love some of Ultrons dialogue though.

 

[HammerDown]

I don't think Ultron is ever made of vibranium. Some of it goes into Vision, to bind the cells as you said, and then Iron Man (I think) say that he realized where the last of the vibranium went, which is in the machine that lifts the city.

If his body had been of vibranium I don't think they could have broken it. As powerful of of an attack it is with Thor, Vision and IM combining their attacks vibranium is indestructible as far as we know. To break it I think you need Thanos with the gems.

Actually Iron Mans "Friday" says specifically that if Thor is able to hit the device made of vibranium "it will crack".

So if Thor is able to crack vibranium with a powerful enough hit from his hammer then the "indestructible" goes out of the window.
And just a side note the hit against Cap's shield in the first Avengers is no way near as powerful as the one he destroys the machine with.

So if you combine a consistent ray of lightning + the repulsors + the infinity stone beam it's plausible it won't hold up so well as we see Ultron after the triple hit.

 

[BigThor]

I will say that you can clearly tell a LOT of stuff with Thor was cut out of this movie.

You mean story wise or action wise?

I think he means the fact that Mjolnir is now picked up by someone else (twice). Action-wise Thor is getting a lot of the best bits.

How would you compare it to his action in Thor, Avengers 1, and TDW?

What are the differences/improvements?

 

[DN91]

Cap wanted Falcon from the beginning. The New Team was low on members so there was no reason for Falcon to say no to Cap. Who knows the team's first mission could be finding Bucky.

Plus, Falcon is more than willing to go wherever Cap goes. Remember the end of Winter Soldier when Sam was more than happy to stick with Cap, even when Steve said that he didn't have to come?

 

[Iceman]

How would you compare it to his action in Thor, Avengers 1, and TDW?

What are the differences/improvements?

He's involved plenty in both the Hydra fight and the final battle, just involved far more than in the first Avengers. He's used in some cool team moves and just comes off as the most powerful main team member who is also reliable (unlike Hulk who needs to be monitored, kept under control and then brought out of his Hulk state by Widow).

I loved his action in the first Thor and it obviously isn't as focused on him as that but just blows his first Avengers performance away. I wouldn't necessarily call him the standout star and dont want to give you the wrong impression. It's more that he's a core team member involved all the way through and because he can fly, has super strength and durability and his lightning he is used absolutely everywhere. The shot from Iron Man, Vision and Thor all blasting Ultron at the same time is amazing. Plus he gets a good amount of the best lines and reactions in the film.

 

[BigThor]

When most people think of the first Thor they think of the Frost Giant fight. They forget about the disappointing Destroyer fight and the "average" Loki fight.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah that's what I was talking about. I rewatch that part all the time.

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

I thought it was a shame about Strucker. His capture was funny, but a bit of an anti-climax. Then they killed him later. For all he really did in the movie I sort felt like why didn't they just use him in the end of the first season of SHIELD or the first half of season 2?

Victim of Whedonism along with the MCU's first speedster lol

 

[GarysMyOldman]

saw AOU maybe 10 times in the last 24 hours.....incredible, but yes there is a lot they took out.

Best line in the movie: "This is true, he hates you the most." from Vision...still laughing about that timing/delivery.

The final death of Ultron was beautiful, never thought I could feel that kind of emotion from a damaged CGI robot.


I didn't see this density changing that Vision supposedly does, was it cut you think?

 

[GarysMyOldman]

I didn't get the new Friday interface for Iron Man... probably wrong but did that have something to do with the Nexus chick?

 

[GarysMyOldman]

I was really happy a lot of the spoilers were BS that came out months ago. Some were just good guesses but only 10% true, some were just nonsense.

As for the "New Avengers" it's hard to say whats going to happen with them, we'll see them at the start of Civil War but as far as Stark, Hulk, Hawkeye and Romanov, they're obviously not going anywhere anytime soon. Seems like everyone is sinking into their roles that have been portrayed in the comics. Not one complaint from this movie besides really not seeing the whole thing bc of scene cuts but we'll have that all soon enough.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So would I be right to assume

War Machine replacing Iron Man.
Vision replacing Thor
Scarlet Witch replacing Hulk
Falcon replacing Hawkeye


In the New Team?

Hawkeye is no longer an Avenger at the end of the film?

Also, isn't the new team more powerful then the old team? Doesn't look like a downgrade to me.

 

[Iceman]

No, just as a normal person at first.

Oh yeah that could happen.

Danvers' empowering should ideally happen in her solo film, but a minor role as a normal Air Force soldier would be an ideal introduction.

Yep.

At a guess:

War Machine
Hawkeye (be a nice side story to see him and Widow on opposite sides)
SHIELD
Vision
Iron Legion


Frankly, Tony can mass produce an iron legion that would dominate, which would be great because as Cap's story he's always facing odds that he has no right to win against but somehow does.

Cap Widow SW & Falcon would probably lose to that unless SW seriously accelerated her development.

Thor I'm assuming I'm not sure who else.

I don't think he'll be around at all during it, busy with Ragnarok. I'm surprised Vision looks to be involved as I thought the idea of getting Hulk and Thor out of the way was so we could have a proper fight between the guys who were left with noone completely dominating.

 

[haephestus]

I didn't see this density changing that Vision supposedly does, was it cut you think?

I'm not 100% it is the same thing, but there were maybe two scenes where Vision made his hands/arms intangible, placed them inside an Ultron drone and then made them tangible again to rip the Ultron drone apart. Or something like that.

They were quick scenes, but I think it was their way to demonstrate that Vision could become intangible.