Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 4

[ctsketch]

Well, it sure seemed like Tony Stark was the most important character, and the one responsible for both Ultron and Vision (even if Thanos is ultimately pulling strings behind the curtain).

Important does not equal screentime...those screentimes are way off

 

[Hmarrs]

Important does not equal screentime...those screentimes are way off

Honestly I think IW will do for the Avengers what Days of Future Past did for the X-men..They can and will retecon a lot of things the Gems have to power to do so.Watch some main members die in IW too or Thor in Ragnorok
But when its done they will be restored in a new Reality.

 

[drod1985]

I don't think Feige and co. would work as hard as they have to create a cohesive universe with an over-arching story just to retcon it or render it all moot in Infinity War.

 

[DrCosmic]

Good Point but maybe that was why..so it felt like the killing was across the board...no exceptions.

I'm not sure. Killing the black guy is so cliche people are rioting in the streets. Something across the board would have killed a white guy... hey, Pietro!

Im not trying to be funny but doesn't this statement and the next below contradict each other?

Then why should Coulsens Death be any different and besides in repect to these characters they have already had there own movies and have shown regard to Civilain life as In Cap in WW and Thor taking the hit from the Destroyer for the innocent lives Iron man not wanting to be An Arms distributor anymore so they have proven themselves already before the fight began.Unless I'm reading this wrong and I think I might be.

I think you are. They value innocent lives, but just like Tony giving up being an arms dealer didn't make him trust Captain America, Tony wanting to fight Loki wouldn't either. Valuing civilian life doesn't create a team.

Coulson's death was different in part because they knew him personally. "One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic." You may be sad when you hear that 1,000 people died in an earthquake. If you family member dies, heck, if you dog dies, you are devastated.

But what made it most different was that they got to all see that they were all affected by the tragedy, that no one saw him as a statistic. This brought Cap and Tony together, and without that, there'd be no Avengers.

I believe there are other ways.

There absolutely are. There's no other way to accomplish those three goals in three seconds other than killing QS though.

Why not?
If you feel responsible..Then YES.
Why so for Coulsen then?Espeically if that's your line of work over an innocent mother just driving her kid home he was in battle he was an Agent it happens.Its to be expected.

Again, because it was personal. Because he died doing what they should have been doing. Because if they had come together earlier, he'd still be alive. Thus, they could feel directly responsible for Coulson's death.

That's the problem.Is somone going to have to die each movie to make a point.Is that the only way to make the point?>>Believe it or Not Gaurdians of the Galaxy didn't and that's about as hokey and cartoony as it gets..N it never came off as Cartoony to me..and how long before its .."OVERKILL"..literally you know...and we don't have that many especially when you find one that works on screen with so many who don't.Now if someone doesn't die it wont feel right either...Because you raised the stakes so high...So now you have to do it.Just like im glad Loki wasn't in this movie or you lock yourself into doing it again if you don't it will feel wrong.Now if someone doesn't die it feels weak.Thats why I hate re-occurring Villians because then if you don't somthings missing.Or how many times can Spiderman save Mary Jane.
I do see your point on not gaining much though.

Um... Guardians of the Galaxy started out with someone dying. Of Cancer. And then they 'killed' off Groot to show you its real. Also that one jerk in the Nova Corps, who got only slightly less development than Quicksilver in AoU. Also, drunken raccoon pity parties. Also The Other, though he was a bad guy, a bad guy killed him. Guardians of the Galaxy killed off the most named characters of any flick so far, and generally implied the new Groot isn't the same as the old one anyway.

But your point, yes, someone will need to die from now on everytime we're supposed to believe the world is about to fall apart. And that's the way it should be, imho. Someone will die in Civil War. Someone will die in IW 1. Everyone will probably die in IW 2. Probably not Dr. Strange, or Black Panther or Spider-Man or Captain Marvel or Inhumans. Probably not, anyway. Even Thor 3 is pretty safe, Ragnarok and all.

 

[Jordanstine]

So who's dying in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4?

Got to up the stakes after 1 & 2 right?

 

[PunyGod]

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[CaptainWagner]

I really don't see how it came about that you "have to kill off a hero to make the stakes real". There are plenty of great movies that suceeded without killing off a hero, even in the MCU.

 

[Tanin]

So who's dying in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4?

Got to up the stakes after 1 & 2 right?

Captain America and Vision and Spider-Man of course.

 

[John Locke]

So who's dying in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4?

Got to up the stakes after 1 & 2 right?

The Marvel Cinematic Universe. Thanos will warp reality and kill the MCU.

 

[Vartha]

The number 1 in the world tv spot if you haven't seen it yet.
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[Human Torch]

I really don't see how it came about that you "have to kill off a hero to make the stakes real". There are plenty of great movies that suceeded without killing off a hero, even in the MCU.

Yeah. This line of thinking even goes back to the original Star Wars films. I frankly don't get it. I don't need someone to die to feel the tension.

Having said that, I kinda wish Ultron killed Coulson instead of Loki. Ultron never really hit 'em where it hurts,and Loki already had an "in" with Thor, so he didn't really need the added "oomph" so to speak.

 

[DN91]

Everyone of course.

Everybody dies at the end of 3, but come back to life at the start of 4. Then Thanos bites it at the end of 4.

 

[MIKE10]

Can't help myself, but Vision is weird in this film, for me, he somehow doesn't fit between these characters...however some of his scenes are unbelieveably funny...(hammer lift, telling tony ultrons hates him most..etc.)..but he is somehow..I don'T know...they don't explain his powers...they don't even mention his phasing skills..maybe he is too powerful..plus infinity stone in forehead...simply weird character...your opinions?

 

[Vartha]

I don't think he's too powerful, not yet at least.
That mind stone however did throw me a bit. I mean they could have used a solar generator to make him vulnerable as in the comics and Animated films

 

[Vartha]

Yeah. This line of thinking even goes back to the original Star Wars films. I frankly don't get it. I don't need someone to die to feel the tension.

Having said that, I kinda wish Ultron killed Coulson instead of Loki. Ultron never really hit 'em where it hurts,and Loki already had an "in" with Thor, so he didn't really need the added "oomph" so to speak.

...where'd you hear Ultron killed Loki? lol

 

[warcam]

...where'd you hear Ultron killed Loki? lol

It's in one of the deleted scenes t:

 

[Vartha]

It's in one of the deleted scenes t:

How'd he get to Loki tho?

 

[Jordanstine]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson says he wants to return to the MCU:

"I mean, I thoroughly enjoyed working on [this movie], and I would love to be doing more movies with the guys at Marvel. Maybe there will be some case where that might happen."

Joss Whedon though, wants to keep Quicksilver dead:

"It felt very disingenuous for me, especially the second time around, to make what I refer to as ‘a war movie’ and say that there is no price and everybody walks away. In this movie, we’re saying, ‘Prove to me that you guys are heroes.’ And he’s the guy that does it."

LINK: Will Quicksilver Return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

 

[Vartha]

Well, Feige just said QS will remain dead
http://mcuexchange.com/kevin-feige-confirms-contract-renewal-talks-mcu-death-one-shots-and-more/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

... for now

 

[Imperial]

Well, Feige just said QS will remain dead
http://mcuexchange.com/kevin-feige-confirms-contract-renewal-talks-mcu-death-one-shots-and-more/

Meh...doesn't mean much coming from them. They tend to spread false statements when trying to hide spoilers. They said Aaron had a multi contract deal when he really didn't after it became known that everyone but him had multi contract deals, therefore hiding the spoiler that he was the one to bite the dust.

 

[Spiderine]

QS will probably return in a flashback/dream sequence. I think Scarlett Witch will lose control and become unstable. Basically taking Hulks place.

 

[Raiden]

Well, Feige just said QS will remain dead
http://mcuexchange.com/kevin-feige-confirms-contract-renewal-talks-mcu-death-one-shots-and-more/

Doesn't one of the Infinity Stones have the power to resurrect dead people back to life? Anyway, nothing is certain since MCU will continue at least until 2020, and probably longer than that. Things could change in the future.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

I saw it today.

I enjoyed it; I felt that it's equal to the first movie, no better, no worse IMO.

The team action scenes were comic book perfect, the forest battle and the church battle...got applause from me.

I enjoyed Ultron's-I-love-hearing-myself-expound dialogue. It fit for a crazy robot.

I loved Vision. He was awesome.

I think Wanda's powerset was interesting and acceptable. I'm ok with her depiction. I feel she shined more than Pietro, who seemed undeveloped.

I'm so excited to see Wakanda now...I was giddy when Bruce mentioned it.

Favorite moment: When Hulk hops on the quinjet and you hear Ultron say something like "Are you kidding me?" and then goes flying out...LOL

Surprising Moment: Pietro's demise...no I didn't see that coming...wow (I prefer Fox's Quicksilver depiction, yeah I said it)

 

[CaptainWagner]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson says he wants to return to the MCU:

"I mean, I thoroughly enjoyed working on [this movie], and I would love to be doing more movies with the guys at Marvel. Maybe there will be some case where that might happen."

Joss Whedon though, wants to keep Quicksilver dead:

"It felt very disingenuous for me, especially the second time around, to make what I refer to as ‘a war movie’ and say that there is no price and everybody walks away. In this movie, we’re saying, ‘Prove to me that you guys are heroes.’ And he’s the guy that does it."

LINK: Will Quicksilver Return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

Eh, Whedon's out. I doubt he has any say in what the Russos going forward. As for Fiege, he's the same guy who said Cumberhatch wasn't playing Strange, so he's no different from any other corporate smoke-screener in that regards. It really all comes down to what the Russos want to do. And I'm crossing my fingers they take the resurrection path.