Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 5

[Moridin]

And Clint does indeed say to his wife before the finale "One last job, then I'm done".

I'm sure he'll break that promise, of course.

Pretty sure he was talking about one last modification to the house, not quitting Avenging.

 

[Hmarrs]

I don't think so since it's so easy to shoot a scene in two different ways, and there's so few scenes left in the movie so it wouldn't have taken much time.

And they did shoot the scene..all they had to was have Quicksilver show up in the last shot as a New Avenger and left everything the same...N the whole meaning would have been changed as in he was just injured and not dead.Taking out the scene where he shows up too changes everything and even still it was never confirmed.

... you mean Hawkeye laying next to his body, wanda screaming, ripping out ultrons heart.... and Clint naming his child after Pietro (after a time hop) wasn't acknowledging his death????????????

did we watch a different movie?

what did you want the rest of the avengers do.. cry and mourn over it when they were in the middle of still saving the city and for a guy they barely knew?

No but Scarlet Which can....Didn't she know him?
I see no real investment in his Death outside of a Shock Factor.
Everyone is saying its has to do with how it affects Scarlet Witch but she seems ok to me...
Take out the time Hop and add him showing up at the end next to the other new Avengers and your done...Actually again just having him show up with the New Avengers even leaving the time hop scene still works...Hawkeye can name his son over someone who saved him...What Im saying is all they had to do was take out the scene where he pops up at the end and your done.(I believed it was filmed that way)Optional.Becuase if you leave everything the way it is and add that scene of him showing up with the Avengers it all still works.

What in the hell. What are you even saying hahaha. Makes no sense, please read what spideyboy said.

Did and still know what Im saying Im sorry if you guys don't understand what I'm saying and if I'm not expressing it well enough then I'm Sorry.

 

[The_Human]

Pretty sure he was talking about one last modification to the house, not quitting Avenging.

Actually he was talking about mopping the floor one last time.

No, I'm just kidding.

But I did hear Clint say something about returning and putting down the flooring some time to his wife.


Anyway this is unrelated.

 

[Hmarrs]

Can someone go here and help me answer this question please...I'm sincerely asking...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=498963&highlight=

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Add those scenes together and it makes up like 15 secs...barely a footnote worth mentioning. Doubt his death will even be mentioned in upcoming movies, totally wasted a good character without impact on story development.

why does the amount of time matter? i'd take 15 impactful seconds over 5 min that don't drive home a point and just elongate the movie...

we barely got to know QS.. the audience doesn't need to see a grandiose funeral for him when the only one close to him was Wanda in the film... majority of the avengers didn't even have dialogue with the guy.. and he wasn't even given the "avengers pep talk" wanda was...

it would have actually hurt the film. I'd rather they keep those 15 seconds.. and if they wanted to add 5 min.. add it else where to something more worthwhile.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And they did shoot the scene..all they had to was have Quicksilver show up in the last shot as a New Avenger and left everything the same...N the whole meaning would have been changed as in he was just injured and not dead.Taking out the scene where he shows up too changes everything and even still it was never confirmed.


No but Scarlet Which can....Didn't she know him?
I see no real investment in his Death outside of a Shock Factor.
Everyone is saying its has to do with how it affects Scarlet Witch but she seems ok to me...
Take out the time Hop and add him showing up at the end next to the other new Avengers and your done...Actually again just having him show up with the New Avengers even leaving the time hop scene still works...Hawkeye can name his son over someone who saved him...What Im saying is all they had to do was take out the scene where he pops up at the end and your done.(I believed it was filmed that way)Optional.Becuase if you leave everything the way it is and add that scene of him showing up with the Avengers it all still works.

Did and still know what Im saying Im sorry if you guys don't understand what I'm saying and if I'm not expressing it well enough then I'm Sorry.

... um Wanda got quite angry and delivered the finishing blow to ultron prime... rewatch the scene.. (ive seen the movie twice) there's plenty of emotion.. especially when she basically tells ultron he ripped her heart out. She's just channeling it with rage.

and no offense... but have you ever lost a love one?? you're not crying uncontrollably a week later... sometimes not even a day later... time heals wounds.. sure you have your moments when you think, and get teary eyed.. but you're not an uncontrollable mess.. not only that.. but i think it was pretty clear the end took place at least a few months later.. they build the building.... and the baby was born

 

[Imperial]

we barely got to know QS.. the audience doesn't need to see a grandiose funeral for him when the only one close to him was Wanda in the film... majority of the avengers didn't even have dialogue with the guy.. and he wasn't even given the "avengers pep talk" wanda was... .

That's the whole point, his character was never developed to make his death impactful. Therefore it was wasted on the wrong character.

it would have actually hurt the film. I'd rather they keep those 15 seconds.. and if they wanted to add 5 min.. add it else where to something more worthwhile.

Yea, like more Hulktasha and Clint's farm boy life

 

[Broseph44]

Add those scenes together and it makes up like 15 secs...barely a footnote worth mentioning. Doubt his death will even be mentioned in upcoming movies, totally wasted a good character without impact on story development.

That's the whole point, his character was never developed to make his death impactful. Therefore it was wasted on the wrong character.



Yea, like more Hulktasha and Clint's farm boy life

His death wasn't wasted at all, and it had impact.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's the whole point, his character was never developed to make his death impactful. Therefore it was wasted on the wrong character.



Yea, like more Hulktasha and Clint's farm boy life

1) it was pretty damn impactful.. i know the people i went with were mostly non-comic fans and a few DC fans and they literally told me "marvel does such a great job, quicksilver hardly had any screen time and that moment with wanda screaming was so impactful.. it was beautifully done, very emotional" So ... yeah... to each there own on that.

2) like an hour was cut from this film... i doubt much "hulktasha" was cut... and for what it was.. it was handled well

 

[Hmarrs]

... um Wanda got quite angry and delivered the finishing blow to ultron prime... rewatch the scene.. (ive seen the movie twice) there's plenty of emotion.. especially when she basically tells ultron he ripped her heart out. She's just channeling it with rage.

I understand what I'm saying is tht.That scene could have still worked by him being deathly injured.
What I'm saying is it seemed to be filmed to go either way.

and no offense... but have you ever lost a love one?? you're not crying uncontrollably a week later... sometimes not even a day later... time heals wounds.. sure you have your moments when you think, and get teary eyed.. but you're not an uncontrollable mess.. not only that.. but i think it was pretty clear the end took place at least a few months later.. they build the building.... and the baby was born

No offense taken but of course I have lost loved ones...That has nothing to do with what I'm saying what I'm saying is that if felt skimmed over.
Maybe the word I'm looking for is Neutral?
They said it themselves and yes it was always Whedons intention for him two die however they planned for an alternative ending and to me you can tell.

If they only took out the scene of him popping up at the end.
Then if you add tht said scene nothing in the movies has to be changed as it is but it tells a different story just by adding the scene.So what Im saying is that it seems to be filmed that way.Death leave the scene out.Survied the gunshots add the scene in.

He doesn't show up in the end we assumed he died.If he popped up in the end we know he survived.You cant still leave the Scarlet Witch scene and the Hawkeye renaming his Baby.A...Because Scarlet Which felt he was close to mortally wounded and didn't think he would survive.B...Hawkeye be he was appreciative that he saved his life.
Whether or not that would be in the best interest of the Movie is not the question here that would be a matter of opinion.

See what I mean?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I understand what you mean. I just don't think there's a conspiracy behind it... I don't think they necessarily filmed it that way... they knew this would be months later... and some of that cast is digitally added in via green screen anyway.. (like War Machine) I don't see why someone would be mourning months later visibly in a shot that lasted 5 seconds at best. it wouldn't be logical anyway

 

[CaptainWagner]

I understand what you mean. I just don't think there's a conspiracy behind it... I don't think they necessarily filmed it that way... they knew this would be months later... and some of that cast is digitally added in via green screen anyway.. (like War Machine) I don't see why someone would be mourning months later visibly in a shot that lasted 5 seconds at best. it wouldn't be logical anyway

Maybe so, but they never say how long it's been. It doesn't change that we never see anyone actually mourning Pietro. Wanda gets mad and Hawkeye looks all depressed during the battle, but after that he's never mentioned. Even just some sort of monument to him as a "fallen Avenger" would have closed his arc sufficiently. But as is, it just left most everyone waiting for him to come back.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Cap wasn't able to lift it because they were playing a game.

If **** was serious he would have lifted it. Case in point: Vision doing it because they had to stop Ultron.

So I think Cap is as worthy as Vision, it wasn't just the right moment, which is why he will do it in IW.

Another theory is that Vision, as an Android, doesn't have human flaws

One way of interpreting that is that Vision is an innocent; he was literally born minutes ago, and could lift the hammer the same way a virgin girl can ride a unicorn.

 

[Hmarrs]

I understand what you mean. I just don't think there's a conspiracy behind it... I don't think they necessarily filmed it that way... they knew this would be months later... and some of that cast is digitally added in via green screen anyway.. (like War Machine) I don't see why someone would be mourning months later visibly in a shot that lasted 5 seconds at best. it wouldn't be logical anyway

ok granted I see your point but what Im saying is I feel thts why they chose not to make her grievous and go that route to make it ambiguous so the scene could work either way Dead or Alive.
See what I'm saying...If she is grieving then that scene can only work Dead but I think they filmed it ambiguous in case Disney said no as Whedon said himself why they filmed 2 scenes.

That Scene could have worked either way and I feel it was filmed that way on purpose...Ambiguous.

Outside from not showing him at the end was the only real indication we had that he was dead.

Many of us read about it here first but for those who went to see it who didnt know about his death I bet alot of them were waiting to see what happened to him and when he didn't show up in the last scene then they knew he was dead however would have readily accepted had he shown up in the last scene Alive.

Do you see what I mean?

And even still alot of people were still wondering as they left the Theater on this post even because nothing was said about it in definite so Technically that door is still open.

Ok let me ask you this if the movie would have played out the exact same way but he showed up in the end how would you have interpreted that and would it have ruined how they told the story?Not the why or if you agreed but out of sync?

Wouldn't you have just said to yourself.."Oh snap he survived"...even with the Scarlet Witch scream and the Hawkeye naming his kid?

Just like at the end of Avengers 1 if Coulsen would have awoken from Intensive care and we found out that Fury just told them he died to inspire them we would have accepted it...Had there been such a scene but here we now there was one..?Heck Fury did it in Winter Soldier.Whedon said himself the Alternative scene was just Quicksilver coming in with the rest of the New Avengers with a new Costume.You leave that scene out it changes everything you put it in it changes everything.


Whedon"Disney said No he cant Die so put that last shot in."
Whedon"Disney said Yes he can Die take the scene out."

That scene is really the only difference.

See what I'm saying?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe so, but they never say how long it's been. It doesn't change that we never see anyone actually mourning Pietro. Wanda gets mad and Hawkeye looks all depressed during the battle, but after that he's never mentioned. Even just some sort of monument to him as a "fallen Avenger" would have closed his arc sufficiently. But as is, it just left most everyone waiting for him to come back.

anger IS mourning.. and please... anyone with common sense can see a decent amount of time has passed..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ok granted I see your point but what Im saying is I feel thts why they chose not to make her grievous and go that route to make it ambiguous so the scene could work either way Dead or Alive.
See what I'm saying...If she is grieving then that scene can only work Dead but I think they filmed it ambiguous in case Disney said no as Whedon said himself why they filmed 2 scenes.

That Scene could have worked either way and I feel it was filmed that way on purpose...Ambiguous.

Outside from not showing him at the end was the only real indication we had that he was dead.

Many of us read about it here first but for those who went to see it who didnt know about his death I bet alot of them were waiting to see what happened to him and when he didn't show up in the last scene then they knew he was dead however would have readily accepted had he shown up in the last scene Alive.

Do you see what I mean?

And even still alot of people were still wondering as they left the Theater on this post even because nothing was said about it in definite so Technically that door is still open.

Ok let me ask you this if the movie would have played out the exact same way but he showed up in the end how would you have interpreted that and would it have ruined how they told the story?Not the why or if you agreed but out of sync?

Wouldn't you have just said to yourself.."Oh snap he survived"...even with the Scarlet Witch scream and the Hawkeye naming his kid?

Just like at the end of Avengers 1 if Coulsen would have awoken from Intensive care and we found out that Fury just told them he died to inspire them we would have accepted it...Had there been such a scene but here we now there was one..?Heck Fury did it in Winter Soldier.Whedon said himself the Alternative scene was just Quicksilver coming in with the rest of the New Avengers with a new Costume.You leave that scene out it changes everything you put it in it changes everything.


Whedon"Disney said No he cant Die so put that last shot in."
Whedon"Disney said Yes he can Die take the scene out."

That scene is really the only difference.

See what I'm saying?

i just think you're reading way too into it

 

[Just_Human]

 

[flickchick85]

^ He means Vision, I assume? And Clint does indeed say to his wife before the finale "One last job, then I'm done".

I'm sure he'll break that promise, of course.

As Moridin said, he was talking about finishing the current house project (re-flooring one of the rooms), but you're right, he was going to break that promise. During the battle he was already talking to Nat about a new idea involving tearing down the dining room and turning it into a workspace for Laura. I thought that was a nice little character touch, how he's never really done, lol.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I've been thinking about Quicksilver's death in the movie and I think it would've worked better if it came from him trying to fight Ultron one on one, forcing Ultron to kill him with his bare hands. As opposed to the "shove someone out of the way to take a bullet" cliche which is kind of a weak and not that dramatic way for a superhero to die, to be honest.

 

[DOBSON10]

I hope that the way Hulk left Black Window hanging kills that relationship. Just have a couple quick lines about him choosing exile over her and let that be the end of it.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

One way of interpreting that is that Vision is an innocent; he was literally born minutes ago, and could lift the hammer the same way a virgin girl can ride a unicorn.

Agreed on all accounts.

 

[Blade X]

And they did shoot the scene..all they had to was have Quicksilver show up in the last shot as a New Avenger and left everything the same...N the whole meaning would have been changed as in he was just injured and not dead.Taking out the scene where he shows up too changes everything and even still it was never confirmed.


No but Scarlet Which can....Didn't she know him?
I see no real investment in his Death outside of a Shock Factor.
Everyone is saying its has to do with how it affects Scarlet Witch but she seems ok to me...
Take out the time Hop and add him showing up at the end next to the other new Avengers and your done...Actually again just having him show up with the New Avengers even leaving the time hop scene still works...Hawkeye can name his son over someone who saved him...What Im saying is all they had to do was take out the scene where he pops up at the end and your done.(I believed it was filmed that way)Optional.Becuase if you leave everything the way it is and add that scene of him showing up with the Avengers it all still works.

Did and still know what Im saying Im sorry if you guys don't understand what I'm saying and if I'm not expressing it well enough then I'm Sorry.

Quoted because I agree with every single thing that you said.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

rofl!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I hope that the way Hulk left Black Window hanging kills that relationship. Just have a couple quick lines about him choosing exile over her and let that be the end of it.

me too, i think it's actually realistic.. where as movie franchises tend to spark a romance.. and be so stuck with having to continue it till they end up together.. and real life just isn't like that