Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 3x07 - "Chaos Theory" - Discussion Thread

[Endeavor]

Okay, I'm going to have to watch again but where did that Book with the Terrigin mist Andrew have come from and why did he have it?

Coulson sent it to him. He felt it might help him prepare to build psychological profiles on the inhumans. I guess they got it after jiaying was defeated and they went back to Afterlife for it (or maybe she brought it with her to the carrier?). You can hear Coulson talking to him on the phone during the scene.

 

[just one thing]

bar lincon knowing macs phone number decent enough episode. nice scene with fitz and jemma and fitz just watching the computer, that actor doing fitz is a good one, barely any lines this episode and he doesn't need them he can do more with less. He also doesn't need the jason boarne types scenes as in the 1st episode this season.

andrews story progressed quickly, blokes a nut. Given that his actions make sense. seen other people here say he was a pointless character. i enjoyed him, seemed decent and the hurt in may at the end understandable.

They where all very sloppy around rosyln, talking about afterlife and genealogies. Last year there was a good scene with ward when he was explaining the difference between shield and hydra regarding the different positions on enhanced. that when shield where moralising hydra would have already taken the shot. That happened in this episode when the atcu let of a few rounds into lash as coulson was trying to reason with lash/andrew. Maybe a Hydra methodology, maybe not.


Ward looked like a school child with that malick. interesting to see how that works out.

 

[Vartha]

Coulson sent it to him. He felt it might help him prepare to build psychological profiles on the inhumans. I guess they got it after jiaying was defeated and they went back to Afterlife for it (or maybe she brought it with her to the carrier?). You can hear Coulson talking to him on the phone during the scene.

Okay, I'll have to watch and listen real close

 

[Vartha]

SIX more posts and you can get a 50 x 50 Avatar!

bar lincon knowing macs phone number decent enough episode. nice scene with fitz and jemma and fitz just watching the computer, that actor doing fitz is a good one, barely any lines this episode and he doesn't need them he can do more with less. He also doesn't need the jason boarne types scenes as in the 1st episode this season.

andrews story progressed quickly, blokes a nut. Given that his actions make sense. seen other people here say he was a pointless character. i enjoyed him, seemed decent and the hurt in may at the end understandable.

They where all very sloppy around rosyln, talking about afterlife and genealogies. Last year there was a good scene with ward when he was explaining the difference between shield and hydra regarding the different positions on enhanced. that when shield where moralising hydra would have already taken the shot. That happened in this episode when the atcu let of a few rounds into lash as coulson was trying to reason with lash/andrew. Maybe a Hydra methodology, maybe not.


Ward looked like a school child with that malick. interesting to see how that works out.

 

[just one thing]

SIX more posts and you can get a 50 x 50 Avatar!

how did malick and wrd know strucker had survived?

 

[kvz5]

Kinda bummed about the twist with Rosalind at the end. I hope there's more to it.

 

[Vartha]

how did malick and wrd know strucker had survived?

Not a clue lol

 

[<(o_o)>]

how did malick and wrd know strucker had survived?

I suppose to the outside world Malick is still seen as being good & has connections within Shied that can get him privied information.

 

[Eddie]

There's probably either someone on the inside or the ACTU knew via their intel sharing agreement (and Gideon is clearly pulling the strings over at the ACTU).

 

[DN91]

It's possible that Malick is a close adviser to POTUS and was the one who convinced him to form the ATCU, as well as picking the perfect "patsy" in Rosalind to pull the strings and whatnot.

 

[MercurialMuroid]

The earlier discussion about Jiaying's bookgot me thinking. When Garner said that Lash had a dark side, it most likely came from something he read in the book. It didn't just contain records of everyone's genealogies and powers, but Jiaying also would kept personality profiles of all the Afterlife candidates.

Now she was supposed to be selecting only the best candidates, those who wouldn't go crazy or abuse there powers. But we also know she had gone evil, so she could have been choosing people with a "dark side", like Lincoln. People that she could turn against S.H.I.E.L.D. when the time was right.

Garner could have realized what she was planning from the book, and that could be the threat that Garner/Lash was out to destroy.

Anyway, I think there's plenty more story to fill in, and hope they don't just leave it.

 

[Heretic]

The earlier discussion about Jiaying's bookgot me thinking. When Garner said that Lash had a dark side, it most likely came from something he read in the book. It didn't just contain records of everyone's genealogies and powers, but Jiaying also would kept personality profiles of all the Afterlife candidates.

Now she was supposed to be selecting only the best candidates, those who wouldn't go crazy or abuse there powers. But we also know she had gone evil, so she could have been choosing people with a "dark side", like Lincoln. People that she could turn against S.H.I.E.L.D. when the time was right.

Garner could have realized what she was planning from the book, and that could be the threat that Garner/Lash was out to destroy.

Anyway, I think there's plenty more story to fill in, and hope they don't just leave it.

It's clear that you meant Lincoln. I agree with your theory...and hope that Lincoln is killed ASAP, just in case.

 

[Loki882]

The problem is that:

-Andrew/Lash is clearly mentally unbalanced, so he's not exactly the most trustworthy person right now.

-He apparently was killing off MOST of the people in that ledger/Lincoln's friends. And I simply don't believe that ALL of them were "dark" or dangerous. And he was going to kill Joey, who seems to be neither of those things either.

No, I feel like it's probably just Lash's base instincts/bloodlust taking over, and the Andrew side desperately trying to rationalize it somehow.

 

[MercurialMuroid]

It's clear that you meant Lincoln. I agree with your theory...and hope that Lincoln is killed ASAP, just in case.

Yes, Lincoln. Thank you.

 

[Yowza]

How was Lash able to find Dwight Frye in episode 4 when Dwight changed from the fish oil so presumably wouldn't have been in Jaiying's book?


This is the best explanation I can come up with so wondering if I'm missing something:
A) All I can link at the moment is that Andrew became an inhuman (coincidence he's the most powerful, changes temporarily, and is a hunter of sorts it seems) from opening Jaiying's book then contacted the social security administration somehow finding someone who'd just turned from the fish oil. This person (coincidentally has a sensor inhuman power to go along with working for the social security administration who Andrew incidentally contacts while trying to find data on people) somehow connected with Andrew's agenda without getting hurt while Andrew is in "instinct" Lash mode unless of course he connects with Garner instead. Dwight proceeds to send e-mails out to the names Andrew is looking for attaching a virus to get their location.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As for what's Andrew's mental state and what is his reason I think I'd like to add to that as at least I can figure this out better than the question I have above:
I think the answers both MercurialMuroid and Loki882 supplied work best. Andrew's talk with Melinda seems to give some indication to his route of reasoning but I think something included in the book about certain individuals with a dark side would be the extra nudge needed... (although this last part of course isn't something Andrew said exactly in his explanation to Melinda but I like this suggestion given above) Also, Andrew's urges seem to takeover and he goes into instinct mode like he says; however, I think the other suggestion above is right in that his mind has become unbalanced as well even in human form and he's trying to rationalize while in that mode more so until he reaches a certain mental state and changes.

His inhuman power seems to sense other inhumans but I don't understand how it's just bloodlust when it is purposeful (he doesn't go after humans). I think it's a blend of his way of thinking with the powers he's been given and the way it's made him off kilter and go into instinct mode that drives him.

 

[tbg]

An errant thought I had that's not episode specific but what if Andrew and Raina are related? Their post-mist appearances are somewhat similar. She saw the future, and he 'sees the evil in the hearts of inhumans'. Probably an incredible stretch but they are the only two black inhumans we've seen so far and they both transformed into inhumans with sonic the hedgehog heads.

 

[just one thing]

An errant thought I had that's not episode specific but what if Andrew and Raina are related? Their post-mist appearances are somewhat similar. She saw the future, and he 'sees the evil in the hearts of inhumans'. Probably an incredible stretch but they are the only two black inhumans we've seen so far and they both transformed into inhumans with sonic the hedgehog heads.

are they not all related, the inhumans?

 

[just one thing]

There's probably either someone on the inside or the ACTU knew via their intel sharing agreement (and Gideon is clearly pulling the strings over at the ACTU).

think it has to be someone on the inside. shield and actu are co -operating on inhuman matters and as we seen this episode coulson seems to have held back a bit of stuff including afterlife, so very selective. skye made a point a few episodes back of telling roslyn that issue which the audience knew was hunting ward was non of her business.

unless they let normal health authorities take strucker but he is still a security concideration so doubt it.

another season another spy in shield.

 

[Eddie]

are they not all related, the inhumans?

It's mostly the royal family that's into that stuff.

(There's been more, er, genetic diversity with these modern Inhumans)

 

[Yowza]

I looked some more, I'll just chalk it up to a plot hole then in Lash finding Dwight Frye whose not in Jaiying's book it would seem. There seems to be no explanation.

 

[Eddie]

Dwight presumably would have had his family line in the book as well. When I say they're not as inbred as the royal family it's because the modern Inhuman stuff brought way more latent Inhuman characters in. Back when the Inhumans were mostly a small side thing at Marvel we got Medusa shacking up with her "distant" cousin Black Bolt. Now THOSE Inhumans... yeah, not a whole lot of options, I suppose.

 

[Lilbaz]

are they not all related, the inhumans?

As much as all white people are related or all blue eyed people.

 

[terry78]

As much as all white people are related or all blue eyed people.

Ginger people are all related though, we can agree with that wholeheartedly.

 

[Endeavor]

Ginger people are all related though, we can agree with that wholeheartedly.

To Miss Clairol?

 

[Lilbaz]

Ginger people are all related though, we can agree with that wholeheartedly.

All people are related. The point i was getting at is that inhumans share a common gene (same as blue eyes or ginger hair). How distantly they are related i guess goes back to how long ago the kree experimented on humans. Also if these first inhumans never interbred then some might not be related at all.