Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 4x16 - "What If" - Discussion Thread

[Silvermoon]

Synopsis:

Hail the New World Order! Daisy and Simmons uncover secrets and lies in a world gone mad. With Hydra in control, they are our only hope to save everyone, on “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” TUESDAY, APRIL 4 (10:00-11:00 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network.

“Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Chloe Bennet as Daisy Johnson, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons, Henry Simmons as Agent Alphonso “Mack” MacKenzie and John Hannah as Holden Radcliffe.

Guest starring are Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Mallory Jansen as Aida, Manish Dayal as Vijay Nadeer, Brandon Morales as Agent Pinsky, Taj Speights as Burnell, Chad Wood as Agent Slate, Jade Harlow as Julia Price, Jim Hanna as guy, Heather Olt as woman, Jason Medwin as Hydra guard, Richard Pierre-Louis as Hydra agent, Andrew McGinnis as Hydra agent #1 and Skyler James as Chris Adler.

“What If…” was written by DJ Doyle and directed by Oz Scott.

EW.com Interview with Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. bosses on those shocking LMD twists

Promo:

https://youtu.be/A_Nd50nKz7o

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

We're still on Ghost Rider in the UK. Shame they're not continuing GR for the entire season.

 

[Random490]

It is a cool twist, but I hope they don't spend too many episodes (though I get the feeling they're going to) I just think, for me at least, the premise will run dry very quickly.

 

[Asharad]

We're still on Ghost Rider in the UK. Shame they're not continuing GR for the entire season.

I agree. GR is far better than LMD and What if.

 

[DN91]

It is a cool twist, but I hope they don't spend too many episodes (though I get the feeling they're going to) I just think, for me at least, the premise will run dry very quickly.

Probably two or three episodes in Hydra-Land before the true final endgame.

 

[Panacea]

I expect the rest of the season to be inside the framework.

 

[Random490]

I expect the rest of the season to be inside the framework.

That's what I'm afraid of

Probably two or three episodes in Hydra-Land before the true final endgame.

Even that feels like too much to me.

Also I'm a bit annoyed when they quickly said "If you die there you die out here" I feel like I've heard that idea so many times it's a played out cliche. Why couldn't they say if the die in their they'll be kicked out and thus can't continue the mission, that's enough tension.

Still it'll be interesting I just hope it doesn't drag.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

I agree. GR is far better than LMD and What if.

I don't get the budget argument. Once they have the CGI for Ghost Rider's flaming skull, then they can just keep using it over multiple episodes. They don't always need to show Ghost Rider fighting. Sometimes it's better to leave it up to the imagination.

 

[DN91]

That's what I'm afraid of

Even that feels like too much to me.

Also I'm a bit annoyed when they quickly said "If you die there you die out here" I feel like I've heard that idea so many times it's a played out cliche. Why couldn't they say if the die in their they'll be kicked out and thus can't continue the mission, that's enough tension.

Still it'll be interesting I just hope it doesn't drag.

They'll have to eventually get out to stop Aida and retrieve the Darkhold, so I doubt the entire rest of season will be spent in Hydra-World.

 

[just one thing]

there is still the inhuman at the bottom of the ocean.

with no announcement on season 5 would that be left hanging?

Spoiler

the russian needs some one to fight with all that strength.

might be room for off framework stuff.

 

[HFK]

It is a cool twist, but I hope they don't spend too many episodes (though I get the feeling they're going to) I just think, for me at least, the premise will run dry very quickly.

One thing I've learned with this show is they don't unnecessarily drag out stories.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Something has been bothering me a little, it was how they are hyping this. As it being a "call back to fans of season one." Forgive me, but who was a fan of this show prior to the Hyrda reveal? If I were AoS, I wouldn't try to go back to anything like S1. This show was a mess in its first season. Most of the people I know personally stopped watching before Hydra even happened.

 

[DN91]

Something has been bothering me a little, it was how they are hyping this. As it being a "call back to fans of season one." Forgive me, but who was a fan of this show prior to the Hyrda reveal? If I were AoS, I wouldn't try to go back to anything like S1. This show was a mess in its first season. Most of the people I know personally stopped watching before Hydra even happened.

I think the exact quote was that it would be a "reward for long time viewers since the first season", and part of that includes an inversion of the Dirty Half-Dozen team dynamic where it's Hydra instead of SHIELD.

 

[Vartha]

April 4th? egads what a wait

 

[just one thing]

I think the exact quote was that it would be a "reward for long time viewers since the first season", and part of that includes an inversion of the Dirty Half-Dozen team dynamic where it's Hydra instead of SHIELD.

in that world ward turns out be a secret undercover shield agent.

 

[Vartha]

Well the next show is called WHAT -IF makes me wonder just how much they can actually CHANGE, like maybe a return of Trip like I said before.
They can actually say what we HAVE seen since Trip's death was all fake lol

 

[scarlet-witch]

I think the exact quote was that it would be a "reward for long time viewers since the first season", and part of that includes an inversion of the Dirty Half-Dozen team dynamic where it's Hydra instead of SHIELD.

I don't feel rewarded with being handed Ward again.

 

[Uskok]

Stills from the episode:

Frame-Ward

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/agentsofshield/gallery4/gallery16/hires/3.jpg

Frake
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/agentsofshield/gallery4/gallery16/hires/2.jpg

and Fritz t:

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/agentsofshield/gallery4/gallery16/hires/1.jpg

 

[Silvermoon]

Synopsis (also added it to the first post):

Hail the New World Order! Daisy and Simmons uncover secrets and lies in a world gone mad. With Hydra in control, they are our only hope to save everyone, on “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” TUESDAY, APRIL 4 (10:00-11:00 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network.

“Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Chloe Bennet as Daisy Johnson, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons, Henry Simmons as Agent Alphonso “Mack” MacKenzie and John Hannah as Holden Radcliffe.

Guest starring are Brett Dalton as Grant Ward, Mallory Jansen as Aida, Manish Dayal as Vijay Nadeer, Brandon Morales as Agent Pinsky, Taj Speights as Burnell, Chad Wood as Agent Slate, Jade Harlow as Julia Price, Jim Hanna as guy, Heather Olt as woman, Jason Medwin as Hydra guard, Richard Pierre-Louis as Hydra agent, Andrew McGinnis as Hydra agent #1 and Skyler James as Chris Adler.

“What If…” was written by DJ Doyle and directed by Oz Scott.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Оz Scott is a good choice for a director. Loved his second directed episode of Gotham.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Still dreading this. lol

 

[tbg]

"What If" they actually release a preview before the episode airs next week. C'mon ABC, you're overdue to put one out.

 

[Uskok]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-srEdRdbzg

 

[OnTheAir]

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[HFK]

Finally the wait is almost over.