Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD - 3x04 - "Devils You Know" - Discussion Thread

[Dr. Evil]

I heard a suggestion that someone thinks that the character Powers Boothe is going to play will turn into Lash.

I some how doubt that.

 

[<(o_o)>]

I'm not convinced Lash is Andrew. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew were Inhuman but I don't think the two are one in the same.

I'm still banking that Lash is one of Rosalind's people and either she doesn't know it or she's hiding it.

Neither am I convinced that Andrew is Lash. From the shadowy figure we got when Lash regresses to human form, Lash could be anyone from a kid to a teenager or an older man before he transforms. I don't expect Lash will look like actor Matthew Willing in human form when we do see what he looks like in human form.

How does Lash get to all of these different places? Can Lash teleport or drive a car where he wants to go then transform do his killing & then transform back to human when the coast is clear?

 

[abandonedcause]

Rosilyn (Or however you spell it), she is Lash....

 

[Silvermoon]

Rosilyn (Or however you spell it), she is Lash....

Unless she can be in two places at once, she can't be. In the series premiere she (and her goon Banks) were on the subway with Coulson and Hunter at the same time that Lash was at the hospital fighting with Lincoln, Mack and Skye

 

[Chemistro]

Unless she can be in two places at once, she can't be. In the series premiere she (and her goon Banks) were on the subway with Coulson and Hunter at the same time that Lash was at the hospital fighting with Lincoln, Mack and Skye

Right, so a way around that would be that she also has a power akin (to some extent, it doesn't need to be the same, but relevantly similar) to Alisha's, so she can be in at least two places at once, transformed in one of them, not transformed in the other one.

But that wouldn't be enough, because she didn't cause any reactions on Frye. A way around that is that she has a stealth mode that blocks his power. Another one is that only the source (not the copies, when she is in more than one place at once) would generate that reaction from Frye.

I'm inclined to say that's all extremely improbable.

 

[Rick3101]

Hi, first time user on this forum but i've been reading you guys for a long time. Cool to see all the theories.

IMO, Andrew is not Lash, I think it's Roz's right hand guy.
However, Andrew is definitly an inhuman.

3 clues got me thinking about that.

1) The scared face of the kid and the fact that we saw a body without being identified as Andrew's

2) May saying that he disapeared from the face of the earth ... I think it might hint that he left May to protect her from what was happening to him.

3) That line he said to Jemma about feeling uncomfortable in your own skin ... He had a look like he knew what it feels like ...

Might be wrong, just a theory

Sorry if I'm ever repeating something that has already been said. Did not have the time to read every thing on this thread.

 

[Silvermoon]

Hi, first time user on this forum but i've been reading you guys for a long time. Cool to see all the theories.

IMO, Andrew is not Lash, I think it's Roz's second hand guy.

I initially leaned towards Banks (Ros' right hand guy) as well, but as some others pointed out here - the problem is that in the first episode Banks was present with Ros, Coulson and Hunter in the subway at the same time that Lash was in the hospital attacking Lincoln, Skye and Mack.

Anywho, again, welcome to the board

 

[Rick3101]

I initially leaned towards Banks (Ros' right hand guy) as well, but as some others pointed out here - the problem is that in the first episode Banks was present with Ros, Coulson and Hunter in the subway at the same time that Lash was in the hospital attacking Lincoln, Skye and Mack.

Anywho, again, welcome to the board

Thanks.

Then again, could be Andrew ... but not shure why he would kill other inhumans, while Roz seems to have a serious grudge or hatred on inhumans ...

 

[Vartha]

Welcome Aboard Rick! Yeah for some reason I'm leaning toward Andrew being Lash, myself.

 

[Loki882]

It being Rosalind, or her right hand guy, would feel WAY too predictable/easy. People would be expecting that, especially since they keep playing up the "mysteriousness" of her group.

 

[Nokio]

Maybe it's Tripp??

 

[Chemistro]

Of course, Tripp is the most likely candidate. t:

 

[Lilbaz]

Andrew seems the obvious choice. There was no reason to blow up the store and may seeing his dead body would drill home the effect of his death. My guess is they will find a couple of bodies in there that can't be identified. Also brings the hydra and inhuman storyline back together.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think the biggest thing with Andrew being Lash is this: If he isn't, they still need to explain it.

 

[Pokkle]

Hi, first time user on this forum but i've been reading you guys for a long time. Cool to see all the theories.

IMO, Andrew is not Lash, I think it's Roz's right hand guy.
However, Andrew is definitly an inhuman.

3 clues got me thinking about that.

1) The scared face of the kid and the fact that we saw a body without being identified as Andrew's

2) May saying that he disapeared from the face of the earth ... I think it might hint that he left May to protect her from what was happening to him.

3) That line he said to Jemma about feeling uncomfortable in your own skin ... He had a look like he knew what it feels like ...

Might be wrong, just a theory

Sorry if I'm ever repeating something that has already been said. Did not have the time to read every thing on this thread.

Banks was with Rosa/Coulson/Hunter when Lash was in the hospital.
He can't be Lash.

 

[FCOL]

Had to finally create an account to say this.

Lash is May's Dad. &#55357;&#56833;

I mean they wouldn't bring in such a famous actor for one little part right... right...(wasn't that part of the clairvoyant argument a few years ago?). Little old guy helping his daughter out... no one would notice him.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

It seems likely that Werner's men are dead, so I think Andrew is some sort of Inhuman. If he was dead, the guys would have come out with Werner and they would have ran away instantly. Instead it was Werner who came out looking like he saw something that he wasn't suposed to see and basically scared out his mind.

Someone on IMDB says that HYDRA captured Garner, but if that was the case, why did Werner have that scared s-less look on his face when he ran out of the convenience store?

why does it seem likely - the scene was deliberately ambiguous. If anything it more heavily implies Andrew is dead

 

[Demileto]

why does it seem likely - the scene was deliberately ambiguous. If anything it more heavily implies Andrew is dead

Precisely, they clearly wanted to lead us into taking that scene as "Ward and Alexander killed Andrew", the fact that many took it as "Andrew is Lash" may end up being great detective skills on their part.

 

[villain2]

I like the current theory that Andrew is actually Lash. If you go back and look through the episode you could make a case of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOuXsru0tTo

 

[voyzovrezon]

Could Daisy's father Cal by Lash? That's a possibility. But I still think it's one of Rosaline's---but not one we've already seen.

 

[Chemistro]

Could Daisy's father Cal by Lash? That's a possibility.

I think not, because:

1. They erased his memories.
2. Lash is probably an old inhuman, not someone who recently changed. Otherwise, he probably would not even know what an inhuman is, and would be terrified about what's happening to him. So, chances are Lash has been Lash for years at least. But if he had been Lash, Cal would have used his powers to kill people and help Jiaying kill and recover, instead of having to rely on his formula to be enhanced.
He regretted what he perceived as his weakness, and made himself stronger through chemistry in order to be good enough in Jiaying's eyes.

 

[ChrisTinnef]

Wow, there could be three characters on this show who aren't who they appear to be....Jemma, Andrew, and Banks.

^ Exactly this.

Now, for Andrew to be Lash, there would be a big need to give him real good reasons for his actions. They could certainly pull that off somehow, but I think it's unlikely. On the other hand, Banks would be a little too obvious. But if Lash isn't the Big Bad of this season (like Whitehall being killed off mid-season), I could see them going with Banks. The argument with the train in episode 1 indicates against it, but do we know for sure that these scenes happen at the same time?

There was definitely something going on in that store, but that doesn't mean that Andrew is Lash or even still alive. He could have smashed Werner's buddies in, but still been killed at the end of the fight. Werner was most probably primarly reacting to his companions being killed, and he ducked for cover because of the explosion. Andrew being a different inhuman would be an interesting possibility as well.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Normally when a bad guy kills someone, he runs away, regardless of whether or not there's an explosion. That is a common TV trope.

Also if other deaths on Agents of SHIELD is any indication, they usually show the person dead. They did not in this case. Tripp, Victoria Hand, Agent 33, Daniel Whitehall, Jaiying, Robert Gonzales, John Garrett and Eric Koenig we all saw dead.

 

[Pokkle]

Could Daisy's father Cal by Lash? That's a possibility. But I still think it's one of Rosaline's---but not one we've already seen.

Cal can't be Lash, he isn't inhuman and Lash is.

Rosalind and Banks can't be Lash because they were on the train with Hunter/Coulson when Lash attacked Lincoln in the hospital.

 

[the dmg]

Good episode.

Andrew being Lash and being dead seem too obvious, although my first thought when they didn't show his death along with Von Strucker's frantic run by himself before the explosion initially had me thinking he was Lash. It makes sense that he is definitely an Inhuman though because of the conversation he had with Mae. It should be interesting to see exactly where this goes.

I was thinking Banks because there seems to be more to him than just main henchmen, but I don't remember him being on the train with Coulson, Hunter, and Roslin. I could be wrong though.

Also, Hunter did what he had to do and Mae is probably pissed at him for making that call, but she probably would have done the same thing in his position if the roles were reversed. Ward's reaction to Mae being there was priceless and a highlight.