Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD 3x21 "Absolution"/3x22 "Ascension" (Season Finale) Discussion Thread

[Demon Bowler]

I reckon the new director will be Dominic Fortune.
They not only have an actor in place but it would be a good way of continuing ideas from the defunct Most Wanted show.

 

[Chemistro]

If Yoyo still works for SHIELD, they could send her to capture Daisy. For example, when they spot Daisy, they can just tell YoYo to get close and ice her or knock her out. Daisy won't stand a chance.
But they haven't done that, so maybe Yoyo doesn't work for SHIELD anymore. That, or they didn't think of that alternative.

 

[Random490]

I kind of like all the fake outs about the 'big death.'

Oh no! Coulson is alone in a room with Hive! Boom, hologram.

Oh no, Mack's been shot a bunch of times! Snap, YoYo stepped in the way and took the shots.

Oh no, YoYo's bleeding out! Psych, blowtorch medicine for the win.

Oh no, Simmons is cornered by a 'primitive' and it's looking right at her! But she's next to a furnace and it messes up their heat-sensitive vision.

Oh no, Giyara (sp?) has the drop on Fitz! Whoa, go Fitz!

Oh no, Lincoln ate a hot plasma ball to the gut and is looking shaky! Nah, he be aight, for now...

Nice ending in the shuttle.

Gonna miss the dude who plays Ward/Hive. It was fun to see someone with more range than 'looks annoyed all the time' May or 'looks determined to not be wrong again all the time and / or smug about being right all the time' Coulson on the show.

I knew they cross was gonna get past around a lot, the played it out nicely.

If Yoyo still works for SHIELD, they could send her to capture Daisy. For example, when they spot Daisy, they can just tell YoYo to get close and ice her or knock her out. Daisy won't stand a chance.
But they haven't done that, so maybe Yoyo doesn't work for SHIELD anymore. That, or they didn't think of that alternative.

Only if Daisy let's her get close enough. The flash forward shows she can stay a step ahead of shield.

 

[Chemistro]

Only if Daisy let's her get close enough. The flash forward shows she can stay a step ahead of shield.

I meant in the flash forward. They expected Daisy to be there.
If Yoyo had been with Coulson in the van, she could have caught up with her.
Alternatively, Yoyo could have been with Coulson and Mack. When Coulson saw the family, he could have sent Yoyo to get close to them, cloaked if necessary. Once they saw Daisy, Coulson would give Yoyo the order to strike.

ETA: After further consideration, sending a cloaked agent with an icer would probably have been effective even without Yoyo (even if Yoyo would make it easier), so the fact that they didn't send Yoyo probably doesn't tell us anything about whether she's still working for SHIELD.

 

[SwiftFox]

If the new Director isn't Maria Hill, I will eat my hat.

 

[Random490]

If the new Director isn't Maria Hill, I will eat my hat.

Well she'd probably would have to resign for her job with Stark Industries. Also that's more depended on if Cobie Smolders want's to sign on for a full season. I'd like to see that too, but I doubt it's her.

 

[CoyoteLN]

If Yoyo still works for SHIELD, they could send her to capture Daisy. For example, when they spot Daisy, they can just tell YoYo to get close and ice her or knock her out. Daisy won't stand a chance.
But they haven't done that, so maybe Yoyo doesn't work for SHIELD anymore. That, or they didn't think of that alternative.

No Quake too powerful now. She on another level. Lash had toughen her up also

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

No Quake too powerful now. She on another level. Lash had toughen her up also

Powers and Abilities

Due to ‘genetic damage’ caused by her father’s experiments, Daisy's inhuman gene was triggered without having to go through Terriginesis. She has the ability generate earthquakes . Her training under Nick Fury enabled her to target her seismic vibrations with precise accuracy causing her target to vibrate and explode from the inside out. She is immune to any harmful affects of the vibrations.

She has also gained (or was given) a psychic shield, which prevents or aids her in not being harmed by psychic assaults made by those with such abilities.

She has such a fine control over her powers that she can explode a persons heart from the inside, even from a distance. She can range from such delicate uses of her power as this, to bringing down whole building structures in seconds. She can also use her powers to induce vibrations in a persons brain to render them unconscious.

Further training (under Fury) has made her a superb hand-to-hand combatant, a highly skilled athlete and marksman and a qualified undercover agent. She is also a leading espionage agent, adept at undercover assignments.

She also possesses "Level 10" SHIELD security clearance. She is the only known agent aside from Fury and the Black Widow with such clearance.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/quake/4005-43174/


I wonder if Lash removing the Hive parasites also resulted in Daisy/Quake having a sort of psychic shield.
We know that Hive could not re-infect her

 

[EarthShaker]

Hive said that creature damaged you

Powers and Abilities

Due to ‘genetic damage’ caused by her father’s experiments, Daisy's inhuman gene was triggered without having to go through Terriginesis. She has the ability generate earthquakes . Her training under Nick Fury enabled her to target her seismic vibrations with precise accuracy causing her target to vibrate and explode from the inside out. She is immune to any harmful affects of the vibrations.

She has also gained (or was given) a psychic shield, which prevents or aids her in not being harmed by psychic assaults made by those with such abilities.

She has such a fine control over her powers that she can explode a persons heart from the inside, even from a distance. She can range from such delicate uses of her power as this, to bringing down whole building structures in seconds. She can also use her powers to induce vibrations in a persons brain to render them unconscious.

Further training (under Fury) has made her a superb hand-to-hand combatant, a highly skilled athlete and marksman and a qualified undercover agent. She is also a leading espionage agent, adept at undercover assignments.

She also possesses "Level 10" SHIELD security clearance. She is the only known agent aside from Fury and the Black Widow with such clearance.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/quake/4005-43174/


I wonder if Lash removing the Hive parasites also resulted in Daisy/Quake having a sort of psychic shield.
We know that Hive could not re-infect her

 

[Chemistro]

No Quake too powerful now. She on another level. Lash had toughen her up also

Lash made her immune to Hive, but she doesn't have superspeed, and there is no evidence that she's immune to icers. Moreover, Coulson, Mack and the others drew their guns when they approach her. I take it that those were icers. So, why not send Yoyo with an icer?

Still, if those were not icers and Mack and Coulson were actually using bullets, then why not send Yoyo with bullets?

Regardless, as I said later, they could have sent some cloaked agents anyway but they didn't, so probably the fact that they didn't send Yoyo doesn't give us any significant evidence that she's no longer with SHIELD.

 

[Havok83]

Lincoln? That was a copout IMO. He was the newest member and had the least ties, making him an easy choice. Coulsen and Skye are untouchable which left May, Gemma or Fitz. I thought it would be Fitz or Gemma bc they finally found happiness so I thought that was a smokescreen for them losing it all soon

 

[David_99]

Lincoln? That was a copout IMO. He was the newest member and had the least ties, making him an easy choice.

At least now we know why they forced the Daisy/Lincoln relationship and why they gave him that out-of-the-blue, addiction background. They obviously planned the finale, then wrote backwards.

 

[Endeavor]

Lincoln? That was a copout IMO. He was the newest member and had the least ties, making him an easy choice. Coulsen and Skye are untouchable which left May, Gemma or Fitz. I thought it would be Fitz or Gemma bc they finally found happiness so I thought that was a smokescreen for them losing it all soon

No, Melter and Slingshot were the newest members and had the least ties.
Lincoln was around for a season and a half (out of 3 seasons) and had ties to Daisy and the other Inhumans, of which he had more knowledge than the rest of the cast. Plus, his medical background had made him useful to Jemma and Fitz in their science-y stuff.

 

[Havok83]

No, Melter and Slingshot were the newest members and had the least ties.
Lincoln was around for a season and a half (out of 3 seasons) and had ties to Daisy and the other Inhumans, of which he had more knowledge than the rest of the cast. Plus, his medical background had made him useful to Jemma and Fitz in their science-y stuff.

Those were recurring characters just added; they dont count as the death of a major character was never going to be them. Skye was Lincoln's only strong tie on the show as he never really got close to any of the other SHIELD members. None of them will be affected by his death. Some random Inhumans we rarely or never see are irrelevant. The only lasting impact of his death is what it does to Skye

At least now we know why they forced the Daisy/Lincoln relationship and why they gave him that out-of-the-blue, addiction background. They obviously planned the finale, then wrote backwards.

yeah I suppose. The best thing to come out of this is that pairing is over as it was forced and didnt feel right

 

[BoredGuy]

Lincoln was supposed to be a fairly major character
He was just either poorly written or poorly acted, I can't decide which

So I wouldn't say it was a cop out, we just should've cared much more than we did, had the character been good

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

Lincoln was supposed to be a fairly major character
He was just either poorly written or poorly acted, I can't decide which

So I wouldn't say it was a cop out, we just should've cared much more than we did, had the character been good

Lincoln had no chemistry with Daisy - hence we never believed the relationship or the importance of Lincoln.

Personally, I didn't like how they used his electric powers
Also, much as I don't like the character (currently) Hellfire's powers look better on tv than Lincoln's

 

[Thor The Mighty]

I'm disappointed Daisy didn't die alongside Hive. I figured it would be Lincoln, I knew it wouldn't be one of the main SHIELD agents.

I'm probably in the minority, but I hate that they've turned this into the Daisy show. She's never been a character I liked and Coulson fawning over her like she's Captain American is super annoying.

^ This. I really hope the next season is not focused on hunting a emo Daisy around the globe. A lot of the people she works with have lost people too so her leaving shield because of that is a turn off.

 

[Vartha]

If the new Director isn't Maria Hill, I will eat my hat.

Yeah I would have to agree she is.

 

[DN91]

^ This. I really hope the next season is not focused on hunting a emo Daisy around the globe. A lot of the people she works with have lost people too so her leaving shield because of that is a turn off.

I imagine that little story gets resolved as early as the third episode and as late as the midseason finale.

 

[YourNameHere]

It was a good finale, but some things seemed wierd. For exampe I expected any non-inhuman powered agent to get into action - Deathlok, maybe Creel, I even thought whether it is possible the un-tahiti cal and ask for his help.

The ending with Daisy on the run was funny, but it seemed like it didnt belong to the finale, from the emotionally intense scenes it was suddenly too big change of pace.

As for who the director is - Coulson sad clearly to Gonzales that he can have the cube until Fury comes and takes it back...

 

[Uskok]

Would it be weird if Nick Fury is now the director of S.H.I.E.L.D. but he never physically appears in Season 4, if he remains a "mentioned only" character?

 

[YourNameHere]

Would it be weird if Nick Fury is now the director of S.H.I.E.L.D. but he never physically appears in Season 4, if he remains a "mentioned only" character?

You mean something like missis Columbo?

It would be a little weird, but it surely is possible.

 

[Havok83]

Would it be weird if Nick Fury is now the director of S.H.I.E.L.D. but he never physically appears in Season 4, if he remains a "mentioned only" character?

they would never do that bc of the movies

 

[Corwin]

As for who the director is - Coulson sad clearly to Gonzales that he can have the cube until Fury comes and takes it back...

I imagine they must have gotten it back after Gonzales had that thing happen to him.
That happened around ep 19(?) in season 2, right before the finale. You saw that I hope?

 

[DN91]

they would never do that bc of the movies

As far as the movies go, SHIELD doesn't exist, so having Nick be an off-screen director (with someone acting as his proxy) probably won't be too disruptive.