Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD - Episode 2.20 - "Scars"

[The Chris]

In the comics, didn't Mac write a book exposing SHIELDs secrets? That could be a subplot of sorts that turns the public against the heroes, so that the show could claim a tie-in with Civil War.

Aren't Shield's secrets on the internet already because of Black Widow?

 

[Heretic]

Aren't Shield's secrets on the internet already because of Black Widow?

Not the recent super powered/alien stuff, which is what Mac quit over.

 

[Infinight888]

I really loved this episode. AoS has mastered the plot twist in way few other shows have. I mean, I just KNEW that somehow, Gonzalez was going to do something stupid and screw up their peace negotiations, and it would all be his fault... And I have never been so happy to be wrong, because what we got instead was so much more epic. It really brings to mind the Ward twist in back in Turn, Turn, Turn.

Actually, this whole episode felt a lot like that one. There was never any doubt that the two factions would end up going to war, but the way the show seemed to play those expectations of how it would happen... Is Raina going to manipulate them into fighting? Is Gonzalez going to screw up the meeting? Oh ****, Ward's here now!?

Needless to say, even though there was almost zero action in this episode, I was constantly on the edge of my seat.

 

[DN91]

If there's one thing this show is really good at, it's playing on expectations then turning said expectations upside down.

 

[Seb]

-Ok now I'm convinced. Jiayang=Inhuman Magneto. Pretty much everything fits. And no, premeditatedly murdering a guy (yes, she totally planned to do that) who was in no way acting threatening, is not a good move. Now you've REALLY made SHIELD fear you, you've basically confirmed the worst fears that some of them had.

"Wild Card Ward" is back, Hell yes.

I'm not going to claim she didn't plan to murder him, but the way the scene was framed made it seem (this is obviously subjective) like she was not 100% set on it until he said that SHIELD would be Indexing her people. At that, she brushed aside the peace offering and whipped out the crystal.

As for murdering him at all, I can't say it was right, but I will say that it was rational given what she'd seen. To her, war was inevitable, so she decided to make sure her people had the advantage. Also, I can't say that she was wrong, given that newSHIELD did want to bomb the place the second they found it.

But yeah, totally Inhumans Magneto, which would make Skye Inhumans Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver, I guess? Either way, it'll be interesting to see how everything shakes out next week.

 

[WhiteWalker]

Good theories, a tracker or a microphone - or both - would be very much in line with Gonzales's previous behavior.
Still, one would expect Gonzales to have a microphone on him to record the interview anyway, and maybe even a small camera - unless they were concerned that Lincoln could detect any electronic devices, but then again, he could always turn them on only when he's alone with Jiaying.

Raina also may have an opportunity to tell Skye the truth. She may not believe her, but enough doubt may be planted to warrant further investigation.

 

[Loki882]

I'm not going to claim she didn't plan to murder him, but the way the scene was framed made it seem (this is obviously subjective) like she was not 100% set on it until he said that SHIELD would be Indexing her people. At that, she brushed aside the peace offering and whipped out the crystal.

As for murdering him at all, I can't say it was right, but I will say that it was rational given what she'd seen. To her, war was inevitable, so she decided to make sure her people had the advantage. Also, I can't say that she was wrong, given that newSHIELD did want to bomb the place the second they found it.

But yeah, totally Inhumans Magneto, which would make Skye Inhumans Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver, I guess? Either way, it'll be interesting to see how everything shakes out next week.

Here's the problem, she's LYING to her people. If it had been a case of the Inhumans all agreeing to attack SHIELD once Gonzalez was dead, then I could have understood it. But Jiayang flat-out admits that she doesn't believe that the other Inhumans would support her in going to war with SHIELD. So instead, she cold-bloodedly execute Adama, then manipulates it to look like self-defense in order to trick her people into attacking SHIELD. So she's basically sending her people into a war where lots of them would probably die/be wounded, based on a lie.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'll just say that if i came face to face with the man who had ordered the death of my daughter (only a few weeks previousley), was threatening my people, worked for the organisation who had wiped out my village and abducted my daughter and who's splinter faction turned out to be the same organisation that had cut me to pieces and "killed" me. I'd have killed him to.

 

[Seb]

Here's the problem, she's LYING to her people. If it had been a case of the Inhumans all agreeing to attack SHIELD once Gonzalez was dead, then I could have understood it. But Jiayang flat-out admits that she doesn't believe that the other Inhumans would support her in going to war with SHIELD. So instead, she cold-bloodedly execute Adama, then manipulates it to look like self-defense in order to trick her people into attacking SHIELD. So she's basically sending her people into a war where lots of them would probably die/be wounded, based on a lie.

Oh, she's totally in the wrong, I'm just saying I can see why she did it, and given the limited info she had, and the life experience of so called protective organisations, I probably would have made the same dickish move.

 

[reddog271]

Oh, she's totally in the wrong, I'm just saying I can see why she did it, and given the limited info she had, and the life experience of so called protective organisations, I probably would have made the same dickish move.

you are under the assumption that this was a spur of the moment act. I think it was completely planned. they even showed her getting the crystal from the lady earlier in the show. She knew exactly what she was going to do.

 

[WhiteWalker]

I'll just say that if i came face to face with the man who had ordered the death of my daughter (only a few weeks previousley), was threatening my people, worked for the organisation who had wiped out my village and abducted my daughter and who's splinter faction turned out to be the same organisation that had cut me to pieces and "killed" me. I'd have killed him to.

You shouldn't add a bunch of untruths to a list of truths. It's not necessary. He may have ordered the attack on Skye, and he may be a threat to the inhumans. However, SHIELD is not in the business of wiping out villages and as for abduction, that's conjecture on your part. I've seen no evidence that she was abducted. As for her village, I do believe it was Cal that killed everyone in the village as part of his twisted retribution.

 

[Seb]

you are under the assumption that this was a spur of the moment act. I think it was completely planned. they even showed her getting the crystal from the lady earlier in the show. She knew exactly what she was going to do.

Actually, I'm fully on board with it being planned. I'm not 100% on whether she was always going to go through with it, or if it was just a contingency plan, but either way, like I said, I can see why someone with her knowledge and life experience would be convinced that this was what was best for her people. (And also, knowing what I know, I disagree with her.)

 

[Heretic]

So, because she had a weapon handy, in case she decided it was necessary to use, she is the villain?

For the record, Gonzalez also had a weapon handy, in case he decided it was necessary to use.

The difference is that her stance was "leave us alone and we will be as invisible as we have been to the human population for the last thousand years" and his stance was "submit your people to the type of testing and cataloging that has led to prior genocides by the very organization that has done nothing but attempt to kill you."

 

[Lilbaz]

She was always going through with it. Thats why she gave cal the vial then handed him over.

 

[Pokkle]

So, because she had a weapon handy, in case she decided it was necessary to use, she is the villain?

For the record, Gonzalez also had a weapon handy, in case he decided it was necessary to use.

The difference is that her stance was "leave us alone and we will be as invisible as we have been to the human population for the last thousand years" and his stance was "submit your people to the type of testing and cataloging that has led to prior genocides by the very organization that has done nothing but attempt to kill you."

Coulson wanted to put them in the index too, it isn't Gonzales personal stance.

 

[Lilbaz]

You shouldn't add a bunch of untruths to a list of truths. It's not necessary. He may have ordered the attack on Skye, and he may be a threat to the inhumans. However, SHIELD is not in the business of wiping out villages and as for abduction, that's conjecture on your part. I've seen no evidence that she was abducted. As for her village, I do believe it was Cal that killed everyone in the village as part of his twisted retribution.

It was a hydra team that wiped out the village. Some shield guys got skye. At the time hydra was a part of shield.
Cal just hunted them down with his wife.

 

[Heretic]

Yes, it was SHIELD's stance to do testing and cataloging, not just EJO's.

SHIELDs plan for peace was to subjugate an entire race of people. Again...one of the problems with this season is that SHIELD is almost impossible to root for. It is sheer luck that they keep running into people that know about SHIELD's long history of imprisoning and testing on people (or rightly suspect that this is their agenda), and therefore are willing to take action first. If we are supposed to assume that they have never done this to innocent, unsuspecting people, then I don't accept that.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yes, it was SHIELD's stance to do testing and cataloging, not just EJO's.

SHIELDs plan for peace was to subjugate an entire race of people. Again...one of the problems with this season is that SHIELD is almost impossible to root for. It is sheer luck that they keep running into people that know about SHIELD's long history of imprisoning and testing on people (or rightly suspect that this is their agenda), and therefore are willing to take action first. If we are supposed to assume that they have never done this to innocent, unsuspecting people, then I don't accept that.

Thats probably what skyes role will be. To help change shield. Guessing it wont be till after civil war.

 

[KingCheops]

Honestly, if I'd seen all of that, and a military force arrive at my doorstep, demanding compliance, I doubt I would have waited for them to make the first move.

Lol I love the way you worded this. "Compliance will be rewarded."

And Jiayang 100% planned it to go this way. Getting the crystal earlier in the show. Cal having his vials which earlier Gordo had specifically said he didn't have. Maybe, benefit of the doubt (slim doubt since she can't call off Cal's impending attack), she hoped it wouldn't end this way, but she certainly took every preparation for it.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yep still 100% on skyes mums side. All we've seen is her getting abused and being passive. But remember that agent said there were monsters. The plural suggests that she can be just as nasty as cal. Can't wait.

 

[The Shrike]

...I could see Inhumans being featured into GotG2, have Starlords dad be one or something to keep them around.

They could always tie it all together, and make his mom an Inhuman, and his dad Thanos. Which would make him....

 

[Pokkle]

Yep still 100% on skyes mums side. All we've seen is her getting abused and being passive. But remember that agent said there were monsters. The plural suggests that she can be just as nasty as cal. Can't wait.

She said to Skye, that in their hunt for Skye, she and Cal leave a trail of carnage and that she realized that she and Cal were turning into monster and she couldn't recognized him and herself so she stop searching.

 

[The Shrike]

She's going full Ultron, but instead of wanting a world where the only thing left standing is made of metal, it's Inhumans (or the ones with her, anyway).

If the Inhumans wanted to do that, they would have done so when the humans were far less plentiful, and fighting with sticks and stones.

 

[The Shrike]

There is zero evidence to back up that statement

The Coulson as Captain Marvel theories ended when Marvel announced Carol Danvers as the titular character.

 

[WhiteWalker]

It was a hydra team that wiped out the village. Some shield guys got skye. At the time hydra was a part of shield.
Cal just hunted them down with his wife.

At no time has Hydra ever been a part of SHIELD. They may have infiltrated the organization but they were never part of SHIELD. Hydra, as an organization, is much older than SHIELD. SHIELD may have ended up with Skye, but that doesn't mean they helped hydra capture Jiaying. Cal killed everyone in the village because he blamed them all for Jiaying and Skye. He didn't need to hunt them down. It was later that he and Jiaying began ruthlessly trying to find Skye.