Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD - S02E12 - "Who You Really are"

[JB-the-Hunter]

My baby Skye is so lost and hurt, but she's also super badass. I liked this episode even though it wasn't as intense as the last two. It was very Marvely.

 

[Amelia Night]

I really loved this weeks episode and I like where they are going with Skye's story line. I also love the fact that Fitz sticks with Skye no matter what and it did really damage his relationship with Simmons.

Its interesting to see who Mack & Bobbi are working for. But I have a feeling it will not be Stark or any of the avengers. I could quite possibly be wrong and the person they are working for might have connections to the avengers but not one of them.

I know people keep bringing up that all the SHIELD files were dumped online and that everyone could see it. But Skye deleted all files related to their team, making them ghosts as she called it. Since Stark has no reason to search for anything related to Coulson it could very well explain why he is not aware of it. If someone is dead why would you go and look for them.

What I do think is that the Avengers hear rumors about SHIELD still being around but that they are unaware of who is running it and do not want to have anything to do with it. With what happened in TWS they seperated themselves from it and there has not been a reason for them to go back or figure out whats up with it.

 

[Broseph44]

This is an image from next week's episode. We're supposed to find out who Bobbi and Mack are reporting to. This looks like Jeremy Renner to me, from the back...

Wrong. Hahaha

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Just caught the episode and damn is this show amazing! Loved it, so many things are being teased and I want answers to them all!

 

[Surfer]

Loved the episode, but the only thing confusing to me is if Vin-Tek from the Kree is just showing up now for the 1st time, it would suggest all other Inhumans were from a time before the Kree shut down their terigenesis program. However, in the previous episode the guy with no eyes many believed to be the reader made it sound like it is his job to welcome and teach those who have undergone terigenesis. Making it seem like this is not the 1st time since the program was abandoned. However, maybe I am just mis-interpreting it. Will need to rewatch it I guess.

Surfer

 

[Herolee10]

So, did Thor just cut off all contacts with Asgard?

Look, I like seeing Sif just as much as any other fan, but I wish they would at least establish what Thor's relationship is presently like with Asgard. I mean, it made sense as to why Sif was sent after Amora's sister last season due to her ability to enslave any man under her spell.

However, if a Kree being on Earth was deemed a problem by Heimdell, then shouldn't he have just contacted Thor to deal with it?

 

[vindrow]

Nice, that Kree was Pete from Warehouse 13

 

[Snow Queen]

Sif.

Pretty solid episode overall. I think the whole Thor makes her smile bit adds fuel to the [BLACKOUT]Thor and Jane are breaking up at the end of Age of Ultron rumour and felt like hinting at them getting a relationship in the third film. Which I would be completely happy with as Natalie Portman's been on auto-pilot and I can't blame her because of how dull Jane has been as a character. Sif, though she's only had very brief appearances, has left more of an impact and her AoS appearances only help that for me.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[mocomic]

Stark is probably pro SHIELD
Hill also

More likely the anti SHIELD boss is Steve Rogers

 

[fire117]

Stark is probably pro SHIELD
Hill also

More likely the anti SHIELD boss is Steve Rogers

Probably.

 

[Snow Queen]

Stark is probably pro SHIELD
Hill also

More likely the anti SHIELD boss is Steve Rogers

Yeah, more than likely. If memory serves, that's their roles in the comics, right? Plus it makes sense in the MCU with Stark feeling guilty after what happened with Ultron.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't know about that. Until the events of AOU happens, I don't think Stark is Pro SHIELD. His actions in "The Avengers" proved that he doesn't trust them at all.

 

[Heretic]

Mockingbird has made a point of questioning Coulson on his tactics a few times, as if she was trying to get a feel for how he plans to lead SHIELD. While many brushed that off at the time (not me), it is now clear that she does have another agenda. She isn't anti-SHIELD, she just doesn't like the current direction. Therefore, this isn't about being "pro-SHIELD" or "anti-SHIELD." This is about who gets to run how things are done to protect the planet.

We know that Civil War is not about registration, it's seemingly an argument over who gets to decide how to protect people and which method is right.

 

[Human Torch]

So, did Thor just cut off all contacts with Asgard?

Look, I like seeing Sif just as much as any other fan, but I wish they would at least establish what Thor's relationship is presently like with Asgard. I mean, it made sense as to why Sif was sent after Amora's sister last season due to her ability to enslave any man under her spell.

However, if a Kree being on Earth was deemed a problem by Heimdell, then shouldn't he have just contacted Thor to deal with it?

That's the same thing we hear constantly with Arrow regarding the Flash. (and frankly I'm sick of hearing it.) Maybe Thor was busy in any number of the 9 realms. It's not really hard to dream up something plausible. People accept it in the comics all the time. Not every hero is on call for every problem every hour of the day & night.


On a purely unrelated note, I found it odd that the "Little hammer of forgetfulness" worked by hitting people on the belly. Shouldn't you need to hit them on the head to forget? t:

 

[Ghostcrow13]

So, did Thor just cut off all contacts with Asgard?

Look, I like seeing Sif just as much as any other fan, but I wish they would at least establish what Thor's relationship is presently like with Asgard. I mean, it made sense as to why Sif was sent after Amora's sister last season due to her ability to enslave any man under her spell.

However, if a Kree being on Earth was deemed a problem by Heimdell, then shouldn't he have just contacted Thor to deal with it?

I mean Heimdall told Odin who is Loki, why would Loki contact Thor?

Anyway slow burn for me this episode came good in the end, although how a random Kree could best Sif is anyones guess.

Also the Kree seemed very up and down, like he was kind of a good Kree because he wanted to stop the experiments the empire was doing, but he thought anyone who got experimented on were abominations. Weird.

Also I'll point out I think the war was probably the Kree-Skrull, I know Marvel don't have the Skrulls, but clearly this took place a long time ago as known by the temple being older than pyramids right which was said earlier in the season I think and Sif saying many eons ago. But the Kree-Nova War ended just before GotG and was only a 1000 years, I say only but still not far back enough.

Also it's the Kree Empire they probably have long wars all the time as they are continuously trying to expand.

Finally they hinted that all the diviners were taken back in the 40s, so does that mean presumably there is Attilan with the inhumans we will see in the movie, and then the rest of the inhumans have come from these 5 diviners?

 

[Herolee10]

I mean Heimdall told Odin who is Loki, why would Loki contact Thor?

True; I hadn't thought about it. That makes sense on that part.

Though, what didn't (imho at least) was how no one in SHIELD thought about trying to contact Thor for his help with Sif or the Kree issue.

And I know that they had to show Coulson and May trying to stand up against Sif but what was the point of even pointing a gun at her in defense when it's been proven that regular bullets don't even phase asgardians?

 

[Mike Murdock]

That's just talk

You realize that a mere whisper from Black Bolt could demolish a building, right?

 

[Seb]

I really liked this episode. (Generally loving this show)

I'm with people who think that Maria Hill is behind Mack and Bobbi, if only because Cobie Smulders is most likely to appear for anything more than a brief cameo on the show. I don't really see Hawkeye as the type here, he might be involved, but he's more of a follower (or sometimes maybe a lone wolf) than a leader. I could also see Cap being involved after TWS, though I feel like he would trust Coulson if he knew he was alive (then again, Mack and Bobbi are there for intel, not to break the team.)

The throwaway line about not being Hydra was pretty perfectly slipped in during Mack and Bobbi's secret convo. This show does both exposition and nods to comics fans very smoothly.

Fitz and Skye

I like how Gemma reacted, too. It showed that she could think about the issue complexly rather than being a zealot, even if her base views right now are rather extreme.

It'll be interesting to see how Skye progresses from here. I expect badly, since her briefly joining her father and/or the main Inhuman group seems inevitable. It could be as a double agent, though I think it'll just be fear for herself and others that pushes her away.

 

[Silvermoon]

So was Thor by any chanced referenced or mentioned tonight?

Yeah. When Sif loses her memory and they ask her about Thor she says she can't remember, but the word makes her "smile".

When Sif was suffering from amnesia, Coulson (I think) asked her if the name Thor rang any bells. She said that it didn't, but for some reason the word makes her smile and she doesn't know why. Agent May said something like "I have an idea why..."

Just for reference, here's the exchange

Coulson: You must remember things about your home-world, right?
Sif: Only basic lessons a child would learn.
Coulson: The name of your sword?
May: What about "Thor"?
Sif: I...do not know this word, yet when you say it I want to smile. Why?
Coulson: Who can explain the mysteries of the Asgardian brain?
May: I can.

Loved the episode, but the only thing confusing to me is if Vin-Tek from the Kree is just showing up now for the 1st time, it would suggest all other Inhumans were from a time before the Kree shut down their terigenesis program. However, in the previous episode the guy with no eyes many believed to be the reader made it sound like it is his job to welcome and teach those who have undergone terigenesis. Making it seem like this is not the 1st time since the program was abandoned. However, maybe I am just mis-interpreting it. Will need to rewatch it I guess.

Surfer

My guess is that the early Inhumans found a way to prevent the diviners or the temples (whichever one it is that sends out the signal) from sending out the 'beacon'/homing signal when the diviners are used. Raina - being pretty ignorant about the whole thing - likely wasn't able to take such precautions


All in all, I loved the episode - I loved Sif and how she behaved when not knowing who she was. Loved Fitz standing behind Skye and it drove me nuts that the others were blind to the fact that they were proving Fitz' point with how they were reacting to what happened to Skye at the end there. And what Mack did to Hunter - my question is (since I believe (read: hope) he only choked him into unconsciousness and not death) how Mack is going to prevent Hunter from spilling to the others? Is he going to find a way to keep him unconscious, how does he explain what happened to Hunter to the others? Did they keep the Kree's weapon and will he find a way to use it to remove Hunter's memory? Gahh!!! It has me worried (I like Hunter.... and I like - well, er... liked Mack too). I hope whatever this is that he and Bobbi are up to isn't dragged out for *too* much longer, because if it does, then I'm worried it's just going to start getting annoying.

BTW, from Clark Gregg a "deleted scene"
https://www.facebook.com/clarkgreggofficial/posts/810623432307152
Youtube version: http://youtu.be/kjO1KhHLkXQ

 

[tbg]

Given that she's already doing ABC programming and could effectively bridge the TV and movies, maybe Agent 13 is the one pulling the strings (as a liason for Cap?). Revenge has been on hiatus for a few weeks now, so it's conceivable that she could have filmed a SHIELD episode or 2.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Surely Mac's references to alternate universes have to mean something? Otherwise it just seems incredibly random, especially coming from him.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

When did Mack refer to alternate universes?

 

[eon001]

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I'm calling it now. Bobbi and Mack are working for SWORD. I've been calling this for weeks, but now I'm even more certain.

With all the alien activity, between chitari invasion and dark elves in London, I would think the counter alien terrorism organisation would have been created as a response to that, among other things, like Kree and Asgardian visits. Even the Ravagers picking up Peter Quill in Guardians might have flagged an alert.

AoS is so exciting now. Finally after a season and half I'm actually pumped for the next episode.

 

[seridrl]

How exactly did a bunch of humans manage to fight a Kree and an Asgardian? Plus if he can live with Sif then he should have destroyed Bobbi like wet paper.

 

[Loki882]

He wasn't trying to destroy her. He didn't want to hurt her unless absolutely necessary.