Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 10

[Heretic]

The snap happened...and this show takes place, regardless of what hoops anyone wants to jump through...what would be one year into a five year snap period...and there has been no snap. This is not the MCU.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because she was wrong there. Kevin Feige said that Age of Ultron tied in directly to Agents of SHIELD. There's no reason to believe she had inside information there.

Did he say that?

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't know why they waited until now to confirm that it wasn't part of the MCU, it was obvious since Season 1 Ming-Na Wen Says Agents of SHIELD Has Departed From Following Marvel Cinematic Universe

It was still linked (if tenuously) prior to this episode. They had direct tie in episodes to Winter Soldier and The Dark World, Sif guest starred twice, the Sovakia accords were employed after Civil War, and they spelled out Thanos was attacking Earth at the end of the last season.

Obviously that doesn't work now with the one year later and wtf no-one snapped to limbo for the next 4. Writers have said assume this is pre-snap but you have to ret-con the Thanos reference out of existence for that to work.

They kinda threw the 'its all connected' baby out with the bathwater on this one.

They've done a Knots Landing separation from Dallas, which is what I thought they would. After the dream season in Dallas which then brought Bobby Ewing back in the shower and writing off the previous season as all a dream, Knots Landing (which was a Dallas spin-off) could no longer be connected to it. They had moved forward with their own storylines in the wake of his death, and were not prepared to undo the previous year just to align with their parent show. So they never mentioned Dallas ever again and acted as if they were two separate shows from then on.

Until of course the Dallas reboot, where they somehow aligned once again.

I suppose AOS could've tried to follow the MCU, but they were probably in the dark and weren't privy to any of the information from Endgame. So it's clear now they no longer align.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Did he say that?

Yes

 

[Panacea]

The snap happened...and this show takes place, regardless of what hoops anyone wants to jump through...what would be one year into a five year snap period...and there has been no snap. This is not the MCU.

So long as the showrunners and the head of Marvel TV says it's in the same continuity as the MCU but before the snap, there aren't really any hoops that the audience need to jump through, it's the writers that have the problem.

That said, with the way the storyline is panning out, they could have been being coy so as not to spoil the storyline, and the timeline could yet be "fixed" before the season's end.

 

[Panacea]

The fifth episode of the season is directed by Lou Diamond Phillips. That's interesting. I wonder if he will cameo.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

The speculation on season 6 is started to firm up. One guy I am following on YouTube is saying that AoS might be doing a riff on the Incursion story and Sarge is leading a team of Mapmakers. Meanwhile in space a Time variance Authority would be the big boss.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I missed this entirely

During a Reddit AMA with Marvel Studios EVP of Production and Captain Marvel Producer Victoria Alonso, a fan asked about the appearance of actor Patrick Brennan. Brennan played the bartender at Pancho's Bar, where Captain Marvel's Carol Danvers stopped to recollect her memory. As it turns out, Brennan also appeared on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as Marcus Daniels, aka Blackout, who used his Dark Force powers to kidnap Coulson's love interest.

"You noticed?" Alonso replied, suggesting she was aware of the connection.

Now, once again, do we know this was intentional? Probably not. But they're certainly hinting at it being intentional (and there's nothing to suggest it isn't). They're also once again still saying all the right things.

 

[Guard82]

I've really been loving the sixth season thus far. The characters have been great as always, and the writing has been remarkably clever and fun. I've also been very impressed with the visual effects, especially the nice bright and colorful visuals in the outer space scenes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I missed this entirely



Now, once again, do we know this was intentional? Probably not. But they're certainly hinting at it being intentional (and there's nothing to suggest it isn't). They're also once again still saying all the right things.

I just read this now. Interesting, so that may be the same character then?

I am an episode behind currently. May attempt to catch up tomorrow before Jessica Jones dominates my weekend.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Here is my second half season speculation. Remembering that Enoch had said that Chronicons can mimic humans in function. When Deke stabbed Sarge through the hand, while Sarge was temporarily stopped he was not disabled, and I can not remember any side effects the next day with Snowflake and May. To jump franchises Sarge is a Chronicon like a skinjob Cylon sleeper of NuBSG which didn’t know what they were. He is trying to stop extinction level events to other societies and like Atarah, the leader of Chronicon refugees his team doesn’t care a bit about collateral damage.

To make an additional jump like Cameron in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, Sarge is based on a real person so the reason becomes why and how was it Coulson as a chosen model.

 

[Panacea]

Perhaps Enoch or Noah transmitted data about Coulson and his team when they encountered them. They're there mostly to observe after all.

 

[tbg]

Looks like SHIELD is no longer dropping a 2nd promo. All we had for 6x06 is what aired at the end of 6x05.

I still think Sarge is going to be just further proof of the multi-dimension. Sarge and his team have been jumping through dimensions. I am getting tired of Snowflake or whatever her name is. Psycho-goth girl

 

[EarthShaker]

Is fitzsimmon's new female friend the one culsonclone is talking about?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Is fitzsimmon's new female friend the one culsonclone is talking about?

The "creator" of the Shrikes and someone in search of the monoliths that blew up with Noah? It would seem strange to send them to many worlds if she had a specific target unless monoliths were seeded everywhere like Stargates

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Further speculation Sarge is a post TAHITI and pre diviner Coulson. Bold action taking Enoch had already grabbed the team once, or many times in the Lighthouse loop to send them to a time monolith so there is nothing that would have stopped him from setting Coulson on a different loop trying to get it right in a 14 million to 1 long shot.

 

[Flash525]

The "creator" of the Shrikes and someone in search of the monoliths that blew up with Noah? It would seem strange to send them to many worlds if she had a specific target unless monoliths were seeded everywhere like Stargates

I doubt the monoliths were seeded; they're capable of travelling space and time, so they likely just moved about, or were moved about.

Further speculation Sarge is a post TAHITI and pre diviner Coulson. Bold action taking Enoch had already grabbed the team once, or many times in the Lighthouse loop to send them to a time monolith so there is nothing that would have stopped him from setting Coulson on a different loop trying to get it right in a 14 million to 1 long shot.

I know we've got to take it with a grain of salt, because they're hardly going to give away details, but didn't Greg specifically say somewhere this Sarge isn't Coulson? I like the theory that he is Coulson, but from a different time, however I think your earlier theory that Sarge is a Chronicon to be more viable at this point.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I am staying with the connection to Enoch specifically, he seems to be an Earth based rebel among the Chronicom anthropologist. How, a biological time looped Phil or a semi strong terminator with uploaded personality still remains small question within the larger ideal. I did notice Sarge reused the Enoch term "took bold action". Sarge holding Deke, a full sized man up who didn't help like a pro wrestler would with one hand goes back to a Chronicom mimicking a human theory.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If Sarge was Coulson from another time, I would think he would retain some aspects of Coulson's memory but he's not.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Sarge was Coulson from another time, I would think he would retain some aspects of Coulson's memory but he's not.

Unless he was reprogrammed and brainwashed and doesn't remember his previous life.

 

[Web-Head]

‘Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ To End After Season 7 On ABC – Deadline

 

[Dark Raven]

‘Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ To End After Season 7 On ABC – Deadline

I thought they already decided that before with season 7.

 

[Panacea]

I thought they already decided that before with season 7.

The only word we had was from a journalist who'd been told by ABC that they weren't planning the seventh season as the show's last.

I hope they add the snap to the series finale.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A lot of shows don't get a series finale, this one will.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

A lot of shows don't get a series finale, this one will.

They have gotten series finale episodes like Magnum P.I before the network renewal.
With the season 5 finale a true cap everything since is bonus stuff