So he's going to slip back from Florence and his whole new life with Selina to go through months of training with Blake? Brilliant idea!
Or a bunch of other masters that can teach how to become a ninja? Ra's and the League of Shadows aren't the only ones in the world you know.
Ra's and the LOS were not just ninja trainers. They were above and beyond that. They taught him about theatricality, deception, dealing with his anger and his fears.
I don't know many martial arts centers that do that, do you? Bruce Wayne in the comics traveled the world seeking out specialists like these for years.
Being Batman is not some training course you can find in the Yellow Pages.
Theatricality may be exclusive to Ra's teachings but Blake can either use tactics that he's seen Batman use or he could develop his own ways of battling criminals.
You don't just copy Batman's tactics. You have to be trained to do that.
He wont be a copy-cat of Bruces Batman.
How do you know that?
He wasn't acting like a villain towards Bruce at that moment, that point is irrelevant.
Whether he was acting like a villain at the moment or not is the irrelevant point. It came from the point of view of a man who was a villain and who thinks that way.
OK maybe it's not all you need because Blake will need some training but it's not at all the most important factor which i think is Bruce's point. The will to act is the most important. The training is something that can be done anytime afterwards. Without will to act, it means nothing. Then he's just a martial artist, a ninja with no moral compass or a random vigilante without principals.
Obviously you need the will to do it otherwise you won't be doing it in the first place. That's obvious. But without the training and know how to do it, you can have all the will in the world but it's not going to get you anywhere except dead unless you know what you're doing, and that takes rigorous and extensive training.
Have you ever seen Batman take on any version of Robin without training them before letting them loose on the streets?
Throughout the movie? No. But there's a couple of scenes where he showed he can at least fight a couple of guys and find a way to beat them.
Where? He shot two men, and helped beat up a couple of others after Batman had already swooped in and started kicking ash already.
What's so special about that?
He might have had a small amount of training as a cop anyway, it's not really a big deal. Might not have been as tough as Bruce was pre-LOS but they can both handle themselves.
All Cops his age have to know how to handle themselves in some way. They're Cops. They're dealing with criminals every day. It's part of the job.
You're talking like he showed himself to be a cut above. Special in some way in the fighting department that showed he had Batman level potential as a fighter. He didn't. Not once.
He'll need to fight obviously, it's just not the absolute most important thing. When Ras recruited Bruce he met him once. He saw him man-handle 6 dudes. But he was on his way there anyhow wasn't he? He knew who he was and gathered what kind of demons he had inside of him and what he was running from , etc. And he recruited him. It was Bruces choice, he wasnt forced to climb the mountain and train but he did.
Yes, Ra's saw a man who was Bruce Wayne, who had obvious talent with fighting and showed he could tackle multiple foes without having to use a weapon or without help like Blake did.
Second he did know Bruce had been traveling around studying and fighting criminals. He knew Bruce was Gotham's favorite son, wealthy, and ideally placed for their Gotham mission. He set him a difficult task to prove himself before he even considered training him. Even then agreeing to train him doesn't mean Bruce will succeed in it and automatically gain a place in the LOS.
All of this was a bad place of a lot more than Bruce ever saw in Blake or did with him.
Bruce met Blake a couple of times and he knew the same stuff about him. He gives him a choice at the end, and guess what? Blake goes to the batcave.
What stuff did he know about him that convinced him 100% that he was the ideal candidate to be Batman? List me the kind of qualities he saw in Blake that Ra's saw with Bruce. How did he get Blake to prove himself that he was undoubtedly the one?
Anybody can have the will to act but i shouldnt have to tell you that it's not fitting for a 60 year old to put on a suit and fight crime. Um hello!?
Three things:
1. Who says Gordon is 60 in Nolan's Batman world? He had an 8 year old kid in TDK. You saying he was a 52 year old dad then lol?
2. If Bruce in The Dark Knight Returns, a comic used as inspiration for this movie, can do it as a white haired 50 year old retired for 10 years, then why shouldn't Gordon be able to do it?
3. I asked you how old Ra's was when he was running the LOS and training Bruce in Begins. Certainly as old as Gordon, maybe even older. Did he seem past it to you?
Obviously doesnt mean every single person on the planet even if they're 87 years old. We're specifically talking about Blake or somebody else putting on that suit to carry the symbol SO YES in that case you would have to be an adult and under 50 or 60 something. Again, i dont know why im even saying this since Bruce is making a general statement.
You do have to say it because your logic is easily tipped on it's head. Bruce wasn't making that statement. The statement the movie was making was Blake was inheriting the mantle because for some reason I still can't fathom Bruce saw him as the best candidate to carry on the mantle of Batman.
Age had nothing to do with it.
Im not talking about Iron Man, im talking about Batman. If you want to compare....no i DONT relate to Stark for different reasons. I could talk about it all day, but i wont. Again...Irrelevant to Batman
Not irrelevant, and again another good example of using your own logic against you. Tony Stark is a rich guy, no super powers, and he is a hero. You claim that makes a very relate able hero.
Clearly it doesn't. Not everyone relates to heroes just because they don't have powers. You're making a very big unfounded assumption there. Using Tony Stark as an example is just proving that.
There's kids who lose parents all the time to violent circumstances. They don't all react to it the way Bruce did.
Maybe i said it and you weren't listening or i probably didn't make myself clear which is my fault. But what i mean is in order to be Batman you will have to have some sort of training yes, but the training itself is not that big of a deal for Blake or for anybody who would have became the successor. Because he/she has time to train if they wish. Any of us can learn specific martial arts if we put our minds to it. Now we dont know what level of training he will do. This is not the same Batman (or Nightwing) he may do things slightly different. Perhaps the next Batman doesn't need all that training, just a general amount and uses the "legend" as a form of intimidation a little more to just scare off criminals. Carrying on the legend doesn't mean he has to be just as physical. He may not encounter a huge amount of villains.
My point is still clear, the will to act is a major point and the training is just not as big of a deal.
I know exactly what you're saying and I'm telling you that you're dead wrong with regards to the training not being that big of a deal. You can have all the will in the world to do something, but if you don't have the know how and means to do it then you're going to fail spectacularly.
Batman would NEVER hand over his Batman mantle to anyone without making sure they've got that training. Name me one comic book example where Batman handed over his mantle to someone and they were not sufficiently trained before hand.
I think you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.
I disagree.
A statement like "only in your mind"...how do you immediately interpret that as "your opinion is garbage"???
It implies it's something you're imagining in your head. It sounds condescending and ignorant. Not to mention wrong since there's plenty who share the same view, myself included.
Would you appreciate if I just highlighted everything you just said and told you it's all only in your mind? Or maybe if I quoted someone who disagreed with you and said this:
Correct opinion detected. All others irrelevant. Destruction of all unwanted opinions: commencing now.
