The Dark Knight Rises Agree or Disagree: John Blake is the root of the problems in TDKR

[Deserana]

John Blake is only one of the problems I have with this movie. My biggest gripe is about the choice of villains. Bane and Talia are just boring and one dimensional. Tom Hardy may be liked by fans of Nolan, but even he couldnt do anything exciting with Bane.

Bane may have been one dimensional (which I also disagree with) but to say they done nothing exciting with him is just... bizzarre. They changed his background, a real match for Batman and an almost sympathetic backstory but he is also a brutal hulk of a man. And the voice as well... I don't think anyone could expect him to sound like that.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

jmc that would've been brilliant to see Gordon rallying the citizens of Gotham to fight. Then maybe at night when the Bat-Symbol is burning on the bridge, we can get some reaction shots of those citizens.

The thing that set this trilogy apart from other comic book films us that you give a damn about Gotham City. You want to see it saved just as much as Bruce wants it to be saved.

 

[the last son]

I also don't see how people keep overlooking Blake killing two people. I think it would have been better if they showed how he didn't need the gun to defeat the simple minded criminal. It would have showed his fighting skill and how one doesn't need to play executioner to stop a problem. He is more of a Jason Todd at that point. Turning him into a villian is the only logical way to go.

 

[Anno_Domini]

He killed the two people using a gun to which he threw aside because of that fact that he killed someone. It differs from Bruce deciding he doesn't need a gun before he even uses it and the different paths result the same outcome, so it works.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Plus the second kill was more of a misfire it seems. In the struggle, he accidentally pulled the trigger.

 

[Anno_Domini]

^ That too

To think Blake would become a villain or anything makes you wonder if someone really understood the scene...especially when Blake throws the gun to the side.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

In fact, that was the very scene that made me think:

"He's Robin. I'm gonna eat lots of crow now".

 

[RIPCOVictims]

Agree or disagree: The problems with this part of the forums is too many nitpick threads?

How is this a nitpick thread? JGL's character was an integral part of the story, was it not? If this doesn't qualify as a legitimate criticism of the movie, what is something that you would consider *not* a nitpick?

 

[Frodo]

I dont think that there are too many nitpick threads. I've personally found each of the topics interesting and insightful because there's a wide range of differing opinions and takes on the film .

I think the issue is there are people who cant accept or tolerate that other people have differing views in relation towards TDKR whether they be positive, negative, or in between. This is a forum so , if you're expecting everyone to agree and like everything about anything, you're in for shock.

 

[ComicStalker]

True,
There seems to be alot of nitpick threads because alot of people were not completely happy with the story and movie. People shouldnt be so dismissive just because many people on this forum seem to have problems with the movie. You cant just say that this was teh best Batman movie ever and I dont know why so many people are complaining? So many people are complaining because they didn't like the movie as much as they hoped they would or had problems with parts or creative decisions. This movie had many problems with the characters, pacing, and just the overall story to begin with. With that said. I did like the movie. I just didnt love the movie. I believe that the only reason it did as well as it did at the box office is because many fans were starving for some Nolan Batman and they had to take what they could get. Its possible that there wont be a new Batman movie for 4-6 years.

 

[747]

Disagree, Blake is easily one of my absolute favorite parts of the whole movie and JGL turns in a really great performance.

 

[Ant-LOX]

Disagree.

My only Problems with TDKR: Not enough Batman, Not long enough.

Nolan took the Metal Gear Solid 2 route, and threw a new character at us, that uses the old characters traits, plus some new ones.

All the detective work that would have been silly for Bruce Wayne to go through was done well by Blake, who was a real - Detective (The Detective Comics logo flashes before the movie starts).

As for crime - Any city is not going to be 100% crime-free, and a city with 40,000,000 people is going to need some kind of "silent guardian".

 

[georgec]

In fact, that was the very scene that made me think:

"He's Robin. I'm gonna eat lots of crow now".

t:t:t:t:t:

 

[Brother Jack]

The movie doesn't work without Blake. Actually, the whole trilogy doesn't work without him because in the end Gotham would be left without a worthy individual to take up the Batman mantle (whether he's actually Batman 2.0 or something similar like Nightwing). I've heard some mention that his character seemed too good, but that's exactly the point. Bruce tried giving the reigns of the city to Harvey Dent, a daytime crimefighter who was being more effective, but when the going got tough he fell. With Blake Bruce finally has someone who is relatively pure; like himself but better.

 

[HBKfan28]

I like Blake/Robin...just thought there was too much of him with the orphans. Sorry but some scenes with Selina/Bruce or Catwoman/Bane would have been more interesting. We didn't get much between Selina/Bane, but some dialogue during the take over of Gotham might have been cool.

 

[the last son]

The movie doesn't work without Blake. Actually, the whole trilogy doesn't work without him because in the end Gotham would be left without a worthy individual to take up the Batman mantle (whether he's actually Batman 2.0 or something similar like Nightwing). I've heard some mention that his character seemed too good, but that's exactly the point. Bruce tried giving the reigns of the city to Harvey Dent, a daytime crimefighter who was being more effective, but when the going got tough he fell. With Blake Bruce finally has someone who is relatively pure; like himself but better.

Why does anyone even have to take up the mantle? Especially not this guy who Bruce relatively just met. Bruce really doesn't even know this guy. Does Bruce know he killed two people. Bruce only met him a few times. It's a bunch of crap that this guy was put in the movie let alone handed the reigns. The movie could have worked without Blake. The movie had a long laundry list of problems and he was top 3 of them.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Why does anyone even have to take up the mantle?

Because the mantle is the symbol, and the symbol is eternal, beyond any one flesh and blood. Seriously, did you watch the flick?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Because the mantle is the symbol, and the symbol is eternal, beyond any one flesh and blood. Seriously, did you watch the flick?

I doubt the guy even watched BEGINS.

Batman is immortal. Bruce Wayne had limits.

 

[the last son]

Ok, that was a dumb question looking back. But, it doesn't make Bruce Wayne enough of a legend. If anyone can do it, it just cheapens Bruce to me. Batman should be a once in a lifetime generation. Not the warrior stuff Dent was talking about where it's picked up one after another.

 

[the last son]

For your information I watched Begins. Begins was the best in the series.

 

[the last son]

This question has already been said a hundred times but I'll say it again. If Wayne thought Batman was such a burden losing Rachel, why in the world would you even pass that on to another human being? I asked why did he pass the mantle because the direction they took losing Rachel and making him a hermit, Batman should have understood he is the only man for the job.

Think about if a villian found out Blake is Batman. Think about all the children that would be put in danger. Bruce Wayne is the only Batman, PERIOD!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Ok, that was a dumb question looking back. But, it doesn't make Bruce Wayne enough of a legend. If anyone can do it, it just cheapens Bruce to me. Batman should be a once in a lifetime generation. Not the warrior stuff Dent was talking about where it's picked up one after another.

He is a warrior. He is referred to as a Knight; he commonly calls his crusade against injustice his "war on crime"; he refers to his Robins as soldiers.

 

[MM2Dylan]

I disagree completely. I found him to be one of the biggest highlights of the movie.

 

[Tequilla]

The whole series makes a point about legacy and leadership. People sometimes need to be enlightened for good. Batman is someone who shows the way. Begins is very literal "People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy."

What Bruce Wanyne wants is to everyone pick up the mantle.The mantle being not the suit , but the strength to practice good in whatever way anyone can, even the most simple gesture. Blake is a pure manifestation of the goal. As a citizen rising for the occasion , inspired by Batman's action but also as a person who looks to possibly maintain the legacy. The symbol becomes everlasting

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I also don't see how people keep overlooking Blake killing two people. I think it would have been better if they showed how he didn't need the gun to defeat the simple minded criminal. It would have showed his fighting skill and how one doesn't need to play executioner to stop a problem. He is more of a Jason Todd at that point. Turning him into a villian is the only logical way to go.

He beat huge looking LOS member. That's a good sign.